It is Native American heritage month. What stolen land do you live on?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think we should have a full on Truth and Reconciliation Committee where we can figure out down to the first group who held the land. Can’t stop at the last pre-European land holder bc such people absolutely fought and defeated a previous occupant. Without getting to the first rightful owner, no one has gotten anywhere.

Apparently it was Europeans, specifically the Vikings, so the Scandinavians, who arrived on North American land first.

[Anonymous]

My husband is Native American - however, he is Cherokee and based on my understanding of VA we are living on Powhatan land. I get what you are trying to do here, but on behalf of my native husband and part native daughter - chill out.

[Anonymous]

It all belongs to Adam and Eve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think we should have a full on Truth and Reconciliation Committee where we can figure out down to the first group who held the land. Can’t stop at the last pre-European land holder bc such people absolutely fought and defeated a previous occupant. Without getting to the first rightful owner, no one has gotten anywhere.

Apparently it was Europeans, specifically the Vikings, so the Scandinavians, who arrived on North American land first.

Ah yes, Eric the Red or some such.

I think we’ve been paying them for quite some time, what with the US purchases of IKEA stuff and Legos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is clearly a parallel to what is happening in Israel right now…

+1 It's quite funny.
Every time a similar topic pops up, most Americans are "meh, history is written by the conquerers, that's how it's always been and no need to feel bad about it." However look at all the heartbroken, stressed out folks (even on DCUM!) over conflicts in the Middle East, Ukraine, etc...

We can at least be more consistent - "meh, history will play itself out so let's sit back and see who wins the fighting in the Middle East/ (insert any on-going conflict)" instead of "ohh this is not right, there are victims dying!! We must stand up for justice!!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is clearly a parallel to what is happening in Israel right now…

+1 It's quite funny.
Every time a similar topic pops up, most Americans are "meh, history is written by the conquerers, that's how it's always been and no need to feel bad about it." However look at all the heartbroken, stressed out folks (even on DCUM!) over conflicts in the Middle East, Ukraine, etc...

We can at least be more consistent - "meh, history will play itself out so let's sit back and see who wins the fighting in the Middle East/ (insert any on-going conflict)" instead of "ohh this is not right, there are victims dying!! We must stand up for justice!!"

Funny, I feel it's the opposite. Americans are expected to feel guilty for living on "stolen land" but Palestinians are CURRENTLY being forced out of their homes with incredibly violent methods (over 10,000 dead this year alone) and we're supposed to cheer on the Israelis? It's a very interesting double standard.

[Anonymous]

I met a guy who was full blooded Cherokee and super proud of it. He is also super maga, gun license, Christian, the works. Since then I've always wondered how many people like him are out there.

He didn't want the land back. Thought the reservations were bad enough, he was glad to be living away from them. He was definitely an oddball.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is clearly a parallel to what is happening in Israel right now…

+1 It's quite funny.
Every time a similar topic pops up, most Americans are "meh, history is written by the conquerers, that's how it's always been and no need to feel bad about it." However look at all the heartbroken, stressed out folks (even on DCUM!) over conflicts in the Middle East, Ukraine, etc...

We can at least be more consistent - "meh, history will play itself out so let's sit back and see who wins the fighting in the Middle East/ (insert any on-going conflict)" instead of "ohh this is not right, there are victims dying!! We must stand up for justice!!"

Funny, I feel it's the opposite. Americans are expected to feel guilty for living on "stolen land" but Palestinians are CURRENTLY being forced out of their homes with incredibly violent methods (over 10,000 dead this year alone) and we're supposed to cheer on the Israelis? It's a very interesting double standard.

You are missing the point of this thread--Americans don't feel guilty. Land changes hands all the times throughout history, under good or bad circumstances. Can't rewrite the past. If you want to, prepare to deal with the consequences, meaning if you start a war, prepare to fight it. Other side won't stop just because you say you have lots of children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is clearly a parallel to what is happening in Israel right now…

+1 It's quite funny.
Every time a similar topic pops up, most Americans are "meh, history is written by the conquerers, that's how it's always been and no need to feel bad about it." However look at all the heartbroken, stressed out folks (even on DCUM!) over conflicts in the Middle East, Ukraine, etc...

We can at least be more consistent - "meh, history will play itself out so let's sit back and see who wins the fighting in the Middle East/ (insert any on-going conflict)" instead of "ohh this is not right, there are victims dying!! We must stand up for justice!!"

Funny, I feel it's the opposite. Americans are expected to feel guilty for living on "stolen land" but Palestinians are CURRENTLY being forced out of their homes with incredibly violent methods (over 10,000 dead this year alone) and we're supposed to cheer on the Israelis? It's a very interesting double standard.

Blah blah blah.

The first reference to “Israel” as a land inhabited by Jews, known as Israelis, dates to 1205 BCE. Nearly 2 millennia before Islam even existed. If we’re going to play silly games about who is “indigenous” to a place, let’s at least be factual.

As it happens, I don’t really care about that. Israelis generally subscribe to Judeo-Christian western values. They are a democracy. They respect indivisible rights. They don’t hang homosexuals or legalize the beating of women. In short, they’re better people.

Lands change hands across history. While it’s by no means assured, we are fortunate that the best (though by no means perfect) nations, for now, have done the best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is clearly a parallel to what is happening in Israel right now…

+1 It's quite funny.
Every time a similar topic pops up, most Americans are "meh, history is written by the conquerers, that's how it's always been and no need to feel bad about it." However look at all the heartbroken, stressed out folks (even on DCUM!) over conflicts in the Middle East, Ukraine, etc...

We can at least be more consistent - "meh, history will play itself out so let's sit back and see who wins the fighting in the Middle East/ (insert any on-going conflict)" instead of "ohh this is not right, there are victims dying!! We must stand up for justice!!"

Funny, I feel it's the opposite. Americans are expected to feel guilty for living on "stolen land" but Palestinians are CURRENTLY being forced out of their homes with incredibly violent methods (over 10,000 dead this year alone) and we're supposed to cheer on the Israelis? It's a very interesting double standard.

Blah blah blah.

The first reference to “Israel” as a land inhabited by Jews, known as Israelis, dates to 1205 BCE. Nearly 2 millennia before Islam even existed. If we’re going to play silly games about who is “indigenous” to a place, let’s at least be factual.

As it happens, I don’t really care about that. Israelis generally subscribe to Judeo-Christian western values. They are a democracy. They respect indivisible rights. They don’t hang homosexuals or legalize the beating of women. In short, they’re better people.

Lands change hands across history. While it’s by no means assured, we are fortunate that the best (though by no means perfect) nations, for now, have done the best.

They actually dont. For example, Jews believe Jesus was a false prophet who's burning in hell. Muslims believe Jesus was a revered prophet and actually respect him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is clearly a parallel to what is happening in Israel right now…

+1 It's quite funny.
Every time a similar topic pops up, most Americans are "meh, history is written by the conquerers, that's how it's always been and no need to feel bad about it." However look at all the heartbroken, stressed out folks (even on DCUM!) over conflicts in the Middle East, Ukraine, etc...

We can at least be more consistent - "meh, history will play itself out so let's sit back and see who wins the fighting in the Middle East/ (insert any on-going conflict)" instead of "ohh this is not right, there are victims dying!! We must stand up for justice!!"

Funny, I feel it's the opposite. Americans are expected to feel guilty for living on "stolen land" but Palestinians are CURRENTLY being forced out of their homes with incredibly violent methods (over 10,000 dead this year alone) and we're supposed to cheer on the Israelis? It's a very interesting double standard.

Blah blah blah.

The first reference to “Israel” as a land inhabited by Jews, known as Israelis, dates to 1205 BCE. Nearly 2 millennia before Islam even existed. If we’re going to play silly games about who is “indigenous” to a place, let’s at least be factual.

As it happens, I don’t really care about that. Israelis generally subscribe to Judeo-Christian western values. They are a democracy. They respect indivisible rights. They don’t hang homosexuals or legalize the beating of women. In short, they’re better people.

Lands change hands across history. While it’s by no means assured, we are fortunate that the best (though by no means perfect) nations, for now, have done the best.

They actually dont. For example, Jews believe Jesus was a false prophet who's burning in hell. Muslims believe Jesus was a revered prophet and actually respect him.

This isn't what Judeo Christian values refers to--it doesn't mean that Jews and Christians assume each other believe the same thing about the messiah. No thanks for your attempt to get people to hate Jews.

Though there are many aspects to the Judeo-Christian ethic, some of the more common ones are the sanctity of human life, personal responsibility, a high regard for marriage, and compassion for others. Much of what is best in Western civilization can be directly attributed to the Judeo-Christian ethic. Historian Thomas Cahill, in pointing out the common themes of Christianity and Judaism, said, “The heart of the Torah is not obedience to regulations about such things as diet—what one may eat, whom one may eat with, how one must prepare oneself beforehand—but to tzedakka, justice like God’s Justice, justice toward the downtrodden.” The foundations of the Judeo-Christian ethic can be summarized in the “Golden Rule” which Jesus taught His disciples in Matthew 7:12, “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”
https://www.gotquestions.org/Judeo-Christian-ethic.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is clearly a parallel to what is happening in Israel right now…

+1 It's quite funny.
Every time a similar topic pops up, most Americans are "meh, history is written by the conquerers, that's how it's always been and no need to feel bad about it." However look at all the heartbroken, stressed out folks (even on DCUM!) over conflicts in the Middle East, Ukraine, etc...

We can at least be more consistent - "meh, history will play itself out so let's sit back and see who wins the fighting in the Middle East/ (insert any on-going conflict)" instead of "ohh this is not right, there are victims dying!! We must stand up for justice!!"

Funny, I feel it's the opposite. Americans are expected to feel guilty for living on "stolen land" but Palestinians are CURRENTLY being forced out of their homes with incredibly violent methods (over 10,000 dead this year alone) and we're supposed to cheer on the Israelis? It's a very interesting double standard.

Blah blah blah.

The first reference to “Israel” as a land inhabited by Jews, known as Israelis, dates to 1205 BCE. Nearly 2 millennia before Islam even existed. If we’re going to play silly games about who is “indigenous” to a place, let’s at least be factual.

As it happens, I don’t really care about that. Israelis generally subscribe to Judeo-Christian western values. They are a democracy. They respect indivisible rights. They don’t hang homosexuals or legalize the beating of women. In short, they’re better people.

Lands change hands across history. While it’s by no means assured, we are fortunate that the best (though by no means perfect) nations, for now, have done the best.

They actually dont. For example, Jews believe Jesus was a false prophet who's burning in hell. Muslims believe Jesus was a revered prophet and actually respect him.

This isn't what Judeo Christian values refers to--it doesn't mean that Jews and Christians assume each other believe the same thing about the messiah. No thanks for your attempt to get people to hate Jews.

Though there are many aspects to the Judeo-Christian ethic, some of the more common ones are the sanctity of human life, personal responsibility, a high regard for marriage, and compassion for others. Much of what is best in Western civilization can be directly attributed to the Judeo-Christian ethic. Historian Thomas Cahill, in pointing out the common themes of Christianity and Judaism, said, “The heart of the Torah is not obedience to regulations about such things as diet—what one may eat, whom one may eat with, how one must prepare oneself beforehand—but to tzedakka, justice like God’s Justice, justice toward the downtrodden.” The foundations of the Judeo-Christian ethic can be summarized in the “Golden Rule” which Jesus taught His disciples in Matthew 7:12, “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”
https://www.gotquestions.org/Judeo-Christian-ethic.html

And that's my point... Jews and Christians have COMPLETELY different values.

But by your logic, if me just mentioning that Jews and Christians do not have the same values is trying to get people to "hate" them, are you doing that by trying to claim muslims dont have the same values? Trying to stoke hate for muslims and get Christians to pair up with jews?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is clearly a parallel to what is happening in Israel right now…

+1 It's quite funny.
Every time a similar topic pops up, most Americans are "meh, history is written by the conquerers, that's how it's always been and no need to feel bad about it." However look at all the heartbroken, stressed out folks (even on DCUM!) over conflicts in the Middle East, Ukraine, etc...

We can at least be more consistent - "meh, history will play itself out so let's sit back and see who wins the fighting in the Middle East/ (insert any on-going conflict)" instead of "ohh this is not right, there are victims dying!! We must stand up for justice!!"

Funny, I feel it's the opposite. Americans are expected to feel guilty for living on "stolen land" but Palestinians are CURRENTLY being forced out of their homes with incredibly violent methods (over 10,000 dead this year alone) and we're supposed to cheer on the Israelis? It's a very interesting double standard.

Blah blah blah.

The first reference to “Israel” as a land inhabited by Jews, known as Israelis, dates to 1205 BCE. Nearly 2 millennia before Islam even existed. If we’re going to play silly games about who is “indigenous” to a place, let’s at least be factual.

As it happens, I don’t really care about that. Israelis generally subscribe to Judeo-Christian western values. They are a democracy. They respect indivisible rights. They don’t hang homosexuals or legalize the beating of women. In short, they’re better people.

Lands change hands across history. While it’s by no means assured, we are fortunate that the best (though by no means perfect) nations, for now, have done the best.

They actually dont. For example, Jews believe Jesus was a false prophet who's burning in hell. Muslims believe Jesus was a revered prophet and actually respect him.

This isn't what Judeo Christian values refers to--it doesn't mean that Jews and Christians assume each other believe the same thing about the messiah. No thanks for your attempt to get people to hate Jews.

Though there are many aspects to the Judeo-Christian ethic, some of the more common ones are the sanctity of human life, personal responsibility, a high regard for marriage, and compassion for others. Much of what is best in Western civilization can be directly attributed to the Judeo-Christian ethic. Historian Thomas Cahill, in pointing out the common themes of Christianity and Judaism, said, “The heart of the Torah is not obedience to regulations about such things as diet—what one may eat, whom one may eat with, how one must prepare oneself beforehand—but to tzedakka, justice like God’s Justice, justice toward the downtrodden.” The foundations of the Judeo-Christian ethic can be summarized in the “Golden Rule” which Jesus taught His disciples in Matthew 7:12, “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”
https://www.gotquestions.org/Judeo-Christian-ethic.html

And that's my point... Jews and Christians have COMPLETELY different values.

But by your logic, if me just mentioning that Jews and Christians do not have the same values is trying to get people to "hate" them, are you doing that by trying to claim muslims dont have the same values? Trying to stoke hate for muslims and get Christians to pair up with jews?

You seem to have never heard of the phrase Judeo Christian values until this moment. For those of us who know what it means, you are not going to be successful in redefining it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is clearly a parallel to what is happening in Israel right now…

+1 It's quite funny.
Every time a similar topic pops up, most Americans are "meh, history is written by the conquerers, that's how it's always been and no need to feel bad about it." However look at all the heartbroken, stressed out folks (even on DCUM!) over conflicts in the Middle East, Ukraine, etc...

We can at least be more consistent - "meh, history will play itself out so let's sit back and see who wins the fighting in the Middle East/ (insert any on-going conflict)" instead of "ohh this is not right, there are victims dying!! We must stand up for justice!!"

Funny, I feel it's the opposite. Americans are expected to feel guilty for living on "stolen land" but Palestinians are CURRENTLY being forced out of their homes with incredibly violent methods (over 10,000 dead this year alone) and we're supposed to cheer on the Israelis? It's a very interesting double standard.

Blah blah blah.

The first reference to “Israel” as a land inhabited by Jews, known as Israelis, dates to 1205 BCE. Nearly 2 millennia before Islam even existed. If we’re going to play silly games about who is “indigenous” to a place, let’s at least be factual.

As it happens, I don’t really care about that. Israelis generally subscribe to Judeo-Christian western values. They are a democracy. They respect indivisible rights. They don’t hang homosexuals or legalize the beating of women. In short, they’re better people.

Lands change hands across history. While it’s by no means assured, we are fortunate that the best (though by no means perfect) nations, for now, have done the best.

They actually dont. For example, Jews believe Jesus was a false prophet who's burning in hell. Muslims believe Jesus was a revered prophet and actually respect him.

This isn't what Judeo Christian values refers to--it doesn't mean that Jews and Christians assume each other believe the same thing about the messiah. No thanks for your attempt to get people to hate Jews.

Though there are many aspects to the Judeo-Christian ethic, some of the more common ones are the sanctity of human life, personal responsibility, a high regard for marriage, and compassion for others. Much of what is best in Western civilization can be directly attributed to the Judeo-Christian ethic. Historian Thomas Cahill, in pointing out the common themes of Christianity and Judaism, said, “The heart of the Torah is not obedience to regulations about such things as diet—what one may eat, whom one may eat with, how one must prepare oneself beforehand—but to tzedakka, justice like God’s Justice, justice toward the downtrodden.” The foundations of the Judeo-Christian ethic can be summarized in the “Golden Rule” which Jesus taught His disciples in Matthew 7:12, “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”
https://www.gotquestions.org/Judeo-Christian-ethic.html

And that's my point... Jews and Christians have COMPLETELY different values.

But by your logic, if me just mentioning that Jews and Christians do not have the same values is trying to get people to "hate" them, are you doing that by trying to claim muslims dont have the same values? Trying to stoke hate for muslims and get Christians to pair up with jews?

You seem to have never heard of the phrase Judeo Christian values until this moment. For those of us who know what it means, you are not going to be successful in redefining it.

No, I actually have heard of it, which is how I know that it's a gross generalization and oversimplification that has almost no basis in reality.

You're not going to be successful in bias-ing Christians against Muslims or making them turned a blind eye to a genocide that's happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is clearly a parallel to what is happening in Israel right now…

+1 It's quite funny.
Every time a similar topic pops up, most Americans are "meh, history is written by the conquerers, that's how it's always been and no need to feel bad about it." However look at all the heartbroken, stressed out folks (even on DCUM!) over conflicts in the Middle East, Ukraine, etc...

We can at least be more consistent - "meh, history will play itself out so let's sit back and see who wins the fighting in the Middle East/ (insert any on-going conflict)" instead of "ohh this is not right, there are victims dying!! We must stand up for justice!!"

Funny, I feel it's the opposite. Americans are expected to feel guilty for living on "stolen land" but Palestinians are CURRENTLY being forced out of their homes with incredibly violent methods (over 10,000 dead this year alone) and we're supposed to cheer on the Israelis? It's a very interesting double standard.

Blah blah blah.

The first reference to “Israel” as a land inhabited by Jews, known as Israelis, dates to 1205 BCE. Nearly 2 millennia before Islam even existed. If we’re going to play silly games about who is “indigenous” to a place, let’s at least be factual.

As it happens, I don’t really care about that. Israelis generally subscribe to Judeo-Christian western values. They are a democracy. They respect indivisible rights. They don’t hang homosexuals or legalize the beating of women. In short, they’re better people.

Lands change hands across history. While it’s by no means assured, we are fortunate that the best (though by no means perfect) nations, for now, have done the best.

They actually dont. For example, Jews believe Jesus was a false prophet who's burning in hell. Muslims believe Jesus was a revered prophet and actually respect him.

This isn't what Judeo Christian values refers to--it doesn't mean that Jews and Christians assume each other believe the same thing about the messiah. No thanks for your attempt to get people to hate Jews.

Though there are many aspects to the Judeo-Christian ethic, some of the more common ones are the sanctity of human life, personal responsibility, a high regard for marriage, and compassion for others. Much of what is best in Western civilization can be directly attributed to the Judeo-Christian ethic. Historian Thomas Cahill, in pointing out the common themes of Christianity and Judaism, said, “The heart of the Torah is not obedience to regulations about such things as diet—what one may eat, whom one may eat with, how one must prepare oneself beforehand—but to tzedakka, justice like God’s Justice, justice toward the downtrodden.” The foundations of the Judeo-Christian ethic can be summarized in the “Golden Rule” which Jesus taught His disciples in Matthew 7:12, “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”
https://www.gotquestions.org/Judeo-Christian-ethic.html

And that's my point... Jews and Christians have COMPLETELY different values.

But by your logic, if me just mentioning that Jews and Christians do not have the same values is trying to get people to "hate" them, are you doing that by trying to claim muslims dont have the same values? Trying to stoke hate for muslims and get Christians to pair up with jews?

You seem to have never heard of the phrase Judeo Christian values until this moment. For those of us who know what it means, you are not going to be successful in redefining it.

No, I actually have heard of it, which is how I know that it's a gross generalization and oversimplification that has almost no basis in reality.

You're not going to be successful in bias-ing Christians against Muslims or making them turned a blind eye to a genocide that's happening.

I don't have an agenda like you do. I am not trying to manipulate anyone to believe anything. That is my point, neither your words or my words will change anyone's mind. Individuals' values held with assess the values displayed in the people and groups involved in what is going on over there. I was just giving insight into a particular value system.