Ozempic death - ileus
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Anonymous
+1. Prescribing something with a 5% long term success rate (individual responsibility through diet and exercise) is nuts. I know the standard retort is that diet and exercise cannot fail, it can only be failed. But, no matter how much you tell people "just try harder!" the success rate is not improving. |
Anonymous
What I think is that you are quite clearly out of your depth scientifically. |
Anonymous
You have no idea about that |
Anonymous
GLP-1 has been around for over a decade. We do actually know a lot about it. |
Anonymous
+2 |
Anonymous
| Plus the muscle atrophy and having to take this product with no end |
Anonymous
What are you blathering on about? I took it and my muscles are fine. |
Anonymous
They are. The trolls are out to play. |
Anonymous
As has been said before— there is no”muscle wasting”. If you don’t put effort into eating protein and strength training, you will lose muscle on these meds, as well as fat. Especially if you are a woman over 40-45. But, that would happen with “willpower” loss too. Weight loss by any means results in a loss of muscle and fat, unless you work to preserve muscle. So you seem to be in denial that people are using these meds with strength training and protein to preserve muscle (I’ve lost 60 lbs and almost no muscle, per my most recent body can. 3 strength training sessions a week). And in denial that any significant weight loss needs to be monitored and has the risk of muscle loss if you aren’t watching your protein and lifting. Which leaves us with— just stay fat, so I can judge you as having no will power. Or lose weight (with meds or without), so I can judge you. You seem like a super awesome person. Really. Glad the people in my life are so much more supportive than you. |
Anonymous
| I find the reaction to GLP-1 to be really similar to the reaction to the birth control pill. I predict they'll become similarly common and accepted but, also like BCPs, never free of hand-wringing from a certain quarter. |
Anonymous
Nothing has changed with BCBS and Wegovy. It has always required a prior authorization documenting that you meet the criteria--i think either BMI over 30 or BMI over 27 plus hyperlipidemia or high blood pressure etc. It's Ozempic that has changed. When I started getting Ozempic through BCBS in January, there was no prior authorization required. It was covered with no questions asked even though I don't have diabetes or pre-diabetes. At some point in the last couple of months that changed so it now requires a PA and will in 2024, and it won't be approved without a diabetes diagnosis. So folks who didn't meet the criteria for Wegovy have been able to take Ozempic for weight loss without a diabetes diagnosis. That's no longer the case. |
Anonymous
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Lots of heated opinions in this thread.
I am morbidly obese, a weight gain that began in my early 30s and ramped up significantly in my 40s following surgeries which put me into early perimenopause and caused me to develop an absorption disorder which led to a chronic B1 vitamin deficiency and serious neurological problems as well as very significant sarcopenia, until I had the muscle mass of a very elderly person and lots of fat to carry around. Just really metabolically sick in so many ways. I’ve been working on restoring my health after choosing not to pursue weight loss surgery or medication. I studied nutritional biochemistry in some depth over the last year and have read a number of books by MDs who are focused on integrative medicine and health through nutrition. In recent months I’ve transitioned to a plant heavy diet with a focus on phytonutrient loading my meals. I’ve purged most processed foods and take out foods with occasional exceptions since I’m not perfect and do still struggle with emotional eating. The changes to my health have been dramatic. I’m losing weight slowly but I’m okay with it because it’s the healthiest way to lose. I’m fascinated by how focusing on feeding the bugs in my gut and building a diet all around that - but still delicious! - had shut down my food cravings almost entirely. Instead of thinking about food all the time I often forget altogether- but that comes from adhering to a daily intake of the RDA and more of fiber, with a variety of plants foods to feed all my gut bacteria which is rebuilding my health in all kinds of ways including mood, skin, hair etc. Diet is EVERYTHING- but it isn’t about calories. It’s about the quality of foods you are putting in your body. Every day more and more science it proving this. Morality is irrelevant, but it IS true that food can cause addiction just like other drugs - neuroscience proves this. Casein is an opiate. Processed foods are scientifically designed to addict us, period. The reason I am against these drugs is that I would rather wake up every morning and have a beautiful dump created by a fiber fueled diet and watch my body naturally release fat and inflammation via a beautiful natural diet rather than take a drug which can cause stomach paralysis and a host of other related issues that are very negative to gut health and can even result in death. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/10/05/weight-loss-drugs-wegovy-ozempic-may-be-linked-to-stomach-paralysis.html Broccoli, on the other hand, is very unlikely to kill me. And the thing is, I love food like most people do. I don’t want a solution that destroys my appetite and makes eating a nauseating experience. I would much rather learn a new way of eating, as I’ve been doing the last several months. My fridge is currently jam packed with produce and it’s actually getting eaten, not wasted. It will take me another year - 18 months to lose all that I’ve gained, but I don’t anticipate any issues because I don’t crave the other way of eating anymore. My brain has been rewired by months of eating walnuts and broccoli and berries etc. every single day without fail. |
Anonymous
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Glad you found something that works for you to be healthy. Try not judging others who choose a different method.
Everyone has the right to choose what's right for their body |
Anonymous
They are finally doing more research into the bcp and the changes it causes including increased incidence of depression and anxiety. |
Anonymous
Please point to the place in my post where I judged anyone else? You can’t, of course. That’s just your stuff projecting. I’m a morbidly obese middle aged woman who has struggled with food addiction since suffering childhood traumas too many and awful to go into, compounded by adult trauma as well. I don’t judge anyone. But there IS a cure for metabolic disorder and all the associated symptoms (that we call diseases but which are actually symptoms) which doesn’t involve any pharmaceuticals. It’s food. The science is undeniable. I do think that as a matter of public health we should be funding the resources people need to learn to eat right (something many MDs are confused about, they don’t teach nutrition in medical schools shockingly given the epidemic of obesity) and to cope with the myriad factors that feed eating disorders. However this funding would go to people, to nutritional education and support and therapy and support groups etc. and those resources don’t have the lobbying power that Pharma and Ag does. Our system is sick, and we are all victims of it. I don’t judge anyone for that, but I think people should have the same supports to choose the healthiest option as they do to choose options that can destroy their bodies and mental health. If you do the deep dive on long term stats for bariatric surgery and weight loss drugs, the outcomes are not great. They may reduce rates of symptoms of the underlying problem - obesity, heart issues, etc. - but they aren’t really promoting healthy vitality. They are symptom management, they aren’t a cure. Facts, not judgment. |