Stop with the group projects!

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It would be hilarious if the “slackers” will get a better grade though. Maybe they don’t do the group project because they focus on individual homework and preparation for the tests. I’ve seen it happening!

That’s nothing to be proud off. They are parasites who’s grade percentage from the group project they stole credit from the kids who did the actual work.

Their final grade included the group project

Not sure they “stole” the credit if it was a group project, unless the grades are separate for each portion and they claim to do someone else’s work. If it’s a grade for the entire group and they were part of it, I think it’s fine.

Are they actually part of the group if they did nothing? If they did 0% of the project, they actually are taking credit for someone else’s work.

It would be good if teachers would group the slackers together so other students can actually have the intended benefit of group work - collaboration with others who contribute to the project.

Now you’re the one not giving credit. There must have been brainstorming discussions, email exchanges, planning etc. you need to be less uptight about this, the teacher assigned the group, DD just has to deal with it. You never say what the AP class assignment was, how it was divided, just that DD does absolutely everything and the other kids never took part in anything. It’s not very believable.

Not sure what the big deal is, plenty of times I was part of a lab group in HS or college and did all the work because the classmates were not that bright or that interested. They’d do their best to record the data and later pay their dues in beer and cigarettes and call it even. You don’t sound very fun to be around at a party.

Fortunately middle school and not high school, but DD just got an F on a group project because she and her partner decided to divide slides in half. She spent hours on her half, he turned in nothing

That never happened.

I think you are looking for the antiwork sub on Reddit. That’s where the grown up slackers lurk.

Either you lie or you’re being lied to by your child and passing along the lie.

With the grade inflation of B average in middle school, there simply aren’t F grades given anymore unless you don’t turn in the assignment and even then you can get a gazzilion extensions and submissions. You only get F if you don’t submit anything. Consider the possibility that DD didn’t submit anything and lies about it. Even for a half incomplete group project must likely you’ll get a B. Teachers know who is doing the work the typically won’t punish good students for having crappy group mates.

Tbh you just sound like the OP trying to concoct some stories that would put her story in a more favorable view when the response on the thread has been mostly negative.

When there are 50 slides and 25 are blank you get an F. I know my kid did her part because she was working on it all weekend. I know she was worried about this last night because his slides were still blanks

Gtfo with 50 slide presentation decks in middle school.

This is the grading guidance in FCPS:

For assignments or assessments where a student made a reasonable attempt to show evidence of their learning, the minimum score that a student can receive is a 50. For assignments or assessments that a student did not attempt, a student can receive a zero.

So she gets at least a 50%. The letter grade is not calculated until the end of semester, so she can’t get an F on individual assignments.

OP, land the helicopter and let your child deal with the group project on her own. You are being ridiculous with these infantile posts.

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Why should she get a 50% if she did the work to deserve much more but her dead weight co-worker didn’t?

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Anonymous wrote: Group projects are a tool of the patriarchy that teach girls that their role in the workplace is to disproportionately do unglamorous grunt work where as boys get to be creative “leaders “.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/01/group-projects-and-the-secretary-effect/384104/

Burn them to the ground!

+100!!

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That’s not up to me. Take your fake story to the fake teacher that gave the fake grade and ask for a fake grade change.

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Anonymous wrote:Not only does DD need to manage her own work but she needs to manage three other students in her AP class who have no interest in doing the actual work. At what point does she go to the teacher? Or her counselor?

This is life, sweetheart. It's a good experience for her to have because she's going to have it over and over and over again in her life.

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Really floored by all the people defending the slackers here.
I reposted the 2nd PP’s post about group projects needing burned to the ground. My view is that way too often the bulk of the work falls to the kid who can’t stand to get a bad grade or to wait until 10 at night the day before it is due to try to crash on it. It sucks.

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Anonymous wrote:Really floored by all the people defending the slackers here.

That’s because they where slackers growing up and are probably still slackers in the workplace and they want their parasitic existence to continue unfettered.

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It would be hilarious if the “slackers” will get a better grade though. Maybe they don’t do the group project because they focus on individual homework and preparation for the tests. I’ve seen it happening!

That’s nothing to be proud off. They are parasites who’s grade percentage from the group project they stole credit from the kids who did the actual work.

Their final grade included the group project

Not sure they “stole” the credit if it was a group project, unless the grades are separate for each portion and they claim to do someone else’s work. If it’s a grade for the entire group and they were part of it, I think it’s fine.

Are they actually part of the group if they did nothing? If they did 0% of the project, they actually are taking credit for someone else’s work.

It would be good if teachers would group the slackers together so other students can actually have the intended benefit of group work - collaboration with others who contribute to the project.

Now you’re the one not giving credit. There must have been brainstorming discussions, email exchanges, planning etc. you need to be less uptight about this, the teacher assigned the group, DD just has to deal with it. You never say what the AP class assignment was, how it was divided, just that DD does absolutely everything and the other kids never took part in anything. It’s not very believable.

Not sure what the big deal is, plenty of times I was part of a lab group in HS or college and did all the work because the classmates were not that bright or that interested. They’d do their best to record the data and later pay their dues in beer and cigarettes and call it even. You don’t sound very fun to be around at a party.

Fortunately middle school and not high school, but DD just got an F on a group project because she and her partner decided to divide slides in half. She spent hours on her half, he turned in nothing

That never happened.

I think you are looking for the antiwork sub on Reddit. That’s where the grown up slackers lurk.

Either you lie or you’re being lied to by your child and passing along the lie.

With the grade inflation of B average in middle school, there simply aren’t F grades given anymore unless you don’t turn in the assignment and even then you can get a gazzilion extensions and submissions. You only get F if you don’t submit anything. Consider the possibility that DD didn’t submit anything and lies about it. Even for a half incomplete group project must likely you’ll get a B. Teachers know who is doing the work the typically won’t punish good students for having crappy group mates.

Tbh you just sound like the OP trying to concoct some stories that would put her story in a more favorable view when the response on the thread has been mostly negative.

When there are 50 slides and 25 are blank you get an F. I know my kid did her part because she was working on it all weekend. I know she was worried about this last night because his slides were still blanks

And then what happened when the kid talked to the teacher about it?

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Anonymous wrote:Really floored by all the people defending the slackers here.

That’s because they where slackers growing up and are probably still slackers in the workplace and they want their parasitic existence to continue unfettered.

Non - slacker checking in. I just don't see the big deal. I work on team projects for my job all the time, sometimes it ends with me doing the lions share, sometimes others pick up my slack. We're not all trying to fight for approval or a pat on the head for doing the "most" work, we're trying to get things done.

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Non - slacker checking in. I just don't see the big deal. I work on team projects for my job all the time, sometimes it ends with me doing the lions share, sometimes others pick up my slack. We're not all trying to fight for approval or a pat on the head for doing the "most" work, we're trying to get things done.

Imagine that your colleagues never do their fair share. Imagine that you never get the opportunity to rest by having a good team around you who will support you when overwhelmed. Imagine that you always have to operate at 120% to do both your work and other peoples.

We are talking about slackers not good team players who broadly share workload equally dependant on individuals bandwidth at a given time.

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It’s not about defending slackers, it’s your perception of the situation that’s off. You want to take it to the teacher because some 10th graders in your daughter’s class don’t pull their weight to your liking. As if that doesn’t happen over and over every year. It’s the whining from the mom (not even the daughter!) that’s the most irritating. Second you come up with these stories that the kids do very little or don’t do anything at all, she’ll get a bad grade, or not but the slackers will free ride on her work etc that just make you come off as weird.

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Anonymous wrote:Group work is fine when it's evaluated correctly. The teacher should be making sure that everyone has a role and a responsibility. The teacher should be grading on a rubric based on the roles and responsibilities. Kids need to learn that sometimes tasks can't be accomplished by one person, and often that lesson is learned when they completely and utterly fail to get it done when they don't work together. A good grading policy would be individual grading for the project itself base on successful completion of roles and responsibilities and then incentive for the whole group for successfully completing the project.

The lesson is that the kid who cares most learns that with enough time and efforts tasks intended for a group can be accomplished by one person. Group projects are a way to bring up slackers' grades by pairing them with kids who teachers know will do what they need to for a good grade

Give me a break, nobody is exploiting OP’s precious child’s work. How much does the group project even counts for the grade, 10%? It matters little for the fuss op is making. They are usually easy enough that a motivated student just dies is with ease. The issue is OP thinks her child is taking advantage of.

My kid just finished a group project where two of them had to do the work for the two slackers they were assigned to work with. The grade counted for 30% of 65% percent of their grade thanks to the new FCPS grading system.

Typical grade breakdown is like this:
50% exams
25% quizzes
25% homework

Percentages might vary slightly. The group project is usually lumped in the homework, so in the end it will count about 5-10% if the final grade and most people get the easy credit. PP probably misunderstood the grade breakdown in her child’s class.

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OP makes a valid point. My kid ended up having to carry groups when others didn’t do their share of the work, like at all, on some projects. They learned. They developed skills for choosing group-mates wisely, when afforded the chance, and for getting everyone to pitch in. Though even half way through college occasionally they still find themselves carrying. These are good skills for the workplace. But damned was that miserable early in HS!

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Anonymous wrote:Group work is fine when it's evaluated correctly. The teacher should be making sure that everyone has a role and a responsibility. The teacher should be grading on a rubric based on the roles and responsibilities. Kids need to learn that sometimes tasks can't be accomplished by one person, and often that lesson is learned when they completely and utterly fail to get it done when they don't work together. A good grading policy would be individual grading for the project itself base on successful completion of roles and responsibilities and then incentive for the whole group for successfully completing the project.

The lesson is that the kid who cares most learns that with enough time and efforts tasks intended for a group can be accomplished by one person. Group projects are a way to bring up slackers' grades by pairing them with kids who teachers know will do what they need to for a good grade

Give me a break, nobody is exploiting OP’s precious child’s work. How much does the group project even counts for the grade, 10%? It matters little for the fuss op is making. They are usually easy enough that a motivated student just dies is with ease. The issue is OP thinks her child is taking advantage of.

My kid just finished a group project where two of them had to do the work for the two slackers they were assigned to work with. The grade counted for 30% of 65% percent of their grade thanks to the new FCPS grading system.

Typical grade breakdown is like this:
50% exams
25% quizzes
25% homework

Percentages might vary slightly. The group project is usually lumped in the homework, so in the end it will count about 5-10% if the final grade and most people get the easy credit. PP probably misunderstood the grade breakdown in her child’s class.

Not anymore. It's very different now.

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Teams are like this in college, too. Get used to it.