SCHEV stats for VA colleges for last admission cycle released

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GPAs are meaningless because so many districts do it differently.

Scores are still important for the best schools. Remember to combine the number of kids who submitted SAT with the kids who submitted ACT. When you do that, UVA has 65% reporting and WM has 62% reporting. Also, consider who is most likely NOT to report. If your kid isn’t one of them, their competition is probably reporting a score.

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Anonymous wrote:I was digging into the data. For 2021-2022 grads, roughly the same percentage of the class graduated with student loans— roughly 1/3 of grades. But the average total loans from WM were $21,000 for a BA. For UVA it is $51,000 for a BA. That’s a huge difference.

Why is that? W&M is more expensive in state and less expensive OOS. Is W&M better with financial aid? Or is it that it’s a small SLAC like school and students are self selecting and just more affluent? I would have predicted WM students to have more debt because most students are in state.

What's the OOS proportion of the student body for UVA v. W&M?

Both are the same (about 1/3) in part because they are required by state to have at least 2/3 in-state.

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Anonymous wrote:Is the GPA reported for University of Richmond unweighted? If not, seems pretty low.

It looks like most other schools report/consider weighted GPAs.

Yes, bc it tends to attract a lot of private school kids.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

50% of the entering class didn't submit SAT scores.

Pretty consistent across the board for the competitive publics (45% at Tech and W&M)

What's surprising to me is that only 30% of the entering class at Washington & Lee submitted SAT scores (and the percentiles were identical to UVA).

Do parents still think test optional is a fad?

NP, I did/do, but I've been wrong before.

Based on the prevailing stats, you're likely wrong on this too.

DP: Or it's a fad that is still going but maybe plateauing. I don't see UVA and WM's % of accepted who submitted scores going down much further for instance. But I could be wrong too.

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Anonymous wrote:I was digging into the data. For 2021-2022 grads, roughly the same percentage of the class graduated with student loans— roughly 1/3 of grades. But the average total loans from WM were $21,000 for a BA. For UVA it is $51,000 for a BA. That’s a huge difference.

Why is that? W&M is more expensive in state and less expensive OOS. Is W&M better with financial aid? Or is it that it’s a small SLAC like school and students are self selecting and just more affluent? I would have predicted WM students to have more debt because most students are in state.

What's the OOS proportion of the student body for UVA v. W&M?

Both are the same (about 1/3) in part because they are required by state to have at least 2/3 in-state.

+1 Each year they accept they adjust based on the enrolled population at the school and try to keep it roughly in that range.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

WM is neck and neck.

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Anonymous wrote:I was digging into the data. For 2021-2022 grads, roughly the same percentage of the class graduated with student loans— roughly 1/3 of grades. But the average total loans from WM were $21,000 for a BA. For UVA it is $51,000 for a BA. That’s a huge difference.

Why is that? W&M is more expensive in state and less expensive OOS. Is W&M better with financial aid? Or is it that it’s a small SLAC like school and students are self selecting and just more affluent? I would have predicted WM students to have more debt because most students are in state.

What's the OOS proportion of the student body for UVA v. W&M?

Both are the same (about 1/3) in part because they are required by state to have at least 2/3 in-state.

W&M is 38 percent, UVA is 32% OOS

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Anonymous wrote:This stats aren’t really helpful, because they report the university as a whole. Many programs are either easier or more difficult. VT engineering is much higher than the numbers reported for VT as a whole.

Special programs everywhere usually require higher scores than the average at any college I would assume. However, they can serve as a general idea.

UVA has engineering too, and their average is still higher than Tech. W&M has no engineering, and they are right there with UVA. You will never have true apples to apples without all the details.

Just look at the college your kid is interested in how they'd fit into the general profile and then make adjustments for special programs and hooks.

Wow. W&M with no engineering actually has almost identical SATs and GPAs as UVA— and higher 75% GPAs. And identical ACTs. With about the Sam percentage of kids reporting test scores. So much for being a second chance for kids not admitted to UVA.

W&M has always been a hard admit.

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Anonymous wrote:Son exceeded 75th percentile for SAT and GPA at UVA resulting in a WL...don't think I'll be showing him this!! Thanks for providing.

Same for my kid at Tech applying into a liberal arts major.

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Anonymous wrote:This stats aren’t really helpful, because they report the university as a whole. Many programs are either easier or more difficult. VT engineering is much higher than the numbers reported for VT as a whole.

Special programs everywhere usually require higher scores than the average at any college I would assume. However, they can serve as a general idea.

UVA has engineering too, and their average is still higher than Tech. W&M has no engineering, and they are right there with UVA. You will never have true apples to apples without all the details.

Just look at the college your kid is interested in how they'd fit into the general profile and then make adjustments for special programs and hooks.

Wow. W&M with no engineering actually has almost identical SATs and GPAs as UVA— and higher 75% GPAs. And identical ACTs. With about the Sam percentage of kids reporting test scores. So much for being a second chance for kids not admitted to UVA.

W&M has always been a hard admit.

+1 People who look at acceptance rates don't get the full picture. UVA and WM accept students of about the same academic caliber, but UVA is more popular so it has a lower acceptance rate.

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Anonymous wrote:The GPAs are based on the time of the application right? So kids doing ED would have a slightly lower GPA with their end of Junior year grades. How much can a weighted GPA rise during the first semester of the Senior year?

Any ideas? Are the listed GPAs as of the time of submission (which lowers them for ED applicants) or as of graduation?

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Anonymous wrote:The GPAs are based on the time of the application right? So kids doing ED would have a slightly lower GPA with their end of Junior year grades. How much can a weighted GPA rise during the first semester of the Senior year?

Any ideas? Are the listed GPAs as of the time of submission (which lowers them for ED applicants) or as of graduation?

I know for SCOIR they are at graduation, not after Junior year.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

50% of the entering class didn't submit SAT scores.

Pretty consistent across the board for the competitive publics (45% at Tech and W&M)

What's surprising to me is that only 30% of the entering class at Washington & Lee submitted SAT scores (and the percentiles were identical to UVA).

Do parents still think test optional is a fad?

NP, I did/do, but I've been wrong before.

Based on the prevailing stats, you're likely wrong on this too.

DP: Or it's a fad that is still going but maybe plateauing. I don't see UVA and WM's % of accepted who submitted scores going down much further for instance. But I could be wrong too.

50% of accepted applicants at UVA didn't submit test scores.

That's not a fad.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

Nope. W&L reports the highest scores. It has been like that for years.

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The two most shocking things to me from the data provided in this thread is
1) number of kids across the board not reporting tests. My perception was that it reflected poorly and school probably assumed test was low if not reported but that is clearly not the case from the data shown.
2) on the VT specific data that engineering admissions well over 50% and even higher than other majors like business. Not saying it isn’t a stellar program, but if you had ask me to guess admission to VT Engineering I would have guessed 20% not 55%. Just surprised.