SCHEV stats for VA colleges for last admission cycle released

[Anonymous]

I was digging into the data. For 2021-2022 grads, roughly the same percentage of the class graduated with student loans— roughly 1/3 of grades. But the average total loans from WM were $21,000 for a BA. For UVA it is $51,000 for a BA. That’s a huge difference.

Why is that? W&M is more expensive in state and less expensive OOS. Is W&M better with financial aid? Or is it that it’s a small SLAC like school and students are self selecting and just more affluent? I would have predicted WM students to have more debt because most students are in state.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This stats aren’t really helpful, because they report the university as a whole. Many programs are either easier or more difficult. VT engineering is much higher than the numbers reported for VT as a whole.

Special programs everywhere usually require higher scores than the average at any college I would assume. However, they can serve as a general idea.

UVA has engineering too, and their average is still higher than Tech. W&M has no engineering, and they are right there with UVA. You will never have true apples to apples without all the details.

Just look at the college your kid is interested in how they'd fit into the general profile and then make adjustments for special programs and hooks.

Wow. W&M with no engineering actually has almost identical SATs and GPAs as UVA— and higher 75% GPAs. And identical ACTs. With about the Sam percentage of kids reporting test scores. So much for being a second chance for kids not admitted to UVA.

Nice try.

UVA is more competitive. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was digging into the data. For 2021-2022 grads, roughly the same percentage of the class graduated with student loans— roughly 1/3 of grades. But the average total loans from WM were $21,000 for a BA. For UVA it is $51,000 for a BA. That’s a huge difference.

Why is that? W&M is more expensive in state and less expensive OOS. Is W&M better with financial aid? Or is it that it’s a small SLAC like school and students are self selecting and just more affluent? I would have predicted WM students to have more debt because most students are in state.

I'd say a mix of both. It's definitely more self selecting and certainly has some affluent students, but it also offers some good scholarships that cover 100% of the tuition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This stats aren’t really helpful, because they report the university as a whole. Many programs are either easier or more difficult. VT engineering is much higher than the numbers reported for VT as a whole.

Special programs everywhere usually require higher scores than the average at any college I would assume. However, they can serve as a general idea.

UVA has engineering too, and their average is still higher than Tech. W&M has no engineering, and they are right there with UVA. You will never have true apples to apples without all the details.

Just look at the college your kid is interested in how they'd fit into the general profile and then make adjustments for special programs and hooks.

Wow. W&M with no engineering actually has almost identical SATs and GPAs as UVA— and higher 75% GPAs. And identical ACTs. With about the Sam percentage of kids reporting test scores. So much for being a second chance for kids not admitted to UVA.

Nice try.

UVA is more competitive. Period.

No it doesn’t. SCHEV clearly states that W&M ACTs at the 75th percentile, median and 25th percentile are lower than UVAs. That’s a first and significant

[Anonymous]

How many full ride scholarships does W&M give out each year? What about UVA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This stats aren’t really helpful, because they report the university as a whole. Many programs are either easier or more difficult. VT engineering is much higher than the numbers reported for VT as a whole.

Special programs everywhere usually require higher scores than the average at any college I would assume. However, they can serve as a general idea.

UVA has engineering too, and their average is still higher than Tech. W&M has no engineering, and they are right there with UVA. You will never have true apples to apples without all the details.

Just look at the college your kid is interested in how they'd fit into the general profile and then make adjustments for special programs and hooks.

Wow. W&M with no engineering actually has almost identical SATs and GPAs as UVA— and higher 75% GPAs. And identical ACTs. With about the Sam percentage of kids reporting test scores. So much for being a second chance for kids not admitted to UVA.

Nice try.

UVA is more competitive. Period.

No it doesn’t. SCHEV clearly states that W&M ACTs at the 75th percentile, median and 25th percentile are lower than UVAs. That’s a first and significant

SCHEV shows the ACT Composite for both UVA and W&M 34 at the 75th, 33 at the 50th, and 32 at the 25th percentile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This stats aren’t really helpful, because they report the university as a whole. Many programs are either easier or more difficult. VT engineering is much higher than the numbers reported for VT as a whole.

Special programs everywhere usually require higher scores than the average at any college I would assume. However, they can serve as a general idea.

UVA has engineering too, and their average is still higher than Tech. W&M has no engineering, and they are right there with UVA. You will never have true apples to apples without all the details.

Just look at the college your kid is interested in how they'd fit into the general profile and then make adjustments for special programs and hooks.

Wow. W&M with no engineering actually has almost identical SATs and GPAs as UVA— and higher 75% GPAs. And identical ACTs. With about the Sam percentage of kids reporting test scores. So much for being a second chance for kids not admitted to UVA.

Nice try.

UVA is more competitive. Period.

The numbers are what the numbers are. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was digging into the data. For 2021-2022 grads, roughly the same percentage of the class graduated with student loans— roughly 1/3 of grades. But the average total loans from WM were $21,000 for a BA. For UVA it is $51,000 for a BA. That’s a huge difference.

Why is that? W&M is more expensive in state and less expensive OOS. Is W&M better with financial aid? Or is it that it’s a small SLAC like school and students are self selecting and just more affluent? I would have predicted WM students to have more debt because most students are in state.

Where do you see that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This stats aren’t really helpful, because they report the university as a whole. Many programs are either easier or more difficult. VT engineering is much higher than the numbers reported for VT as a whole.

Special programs everywhere usually require higher scores than the average at any college I would assume. However, they can serve as a general idea.

UVA has engineering too, and their average is still higher than Tech. W&M has no engineering, and they are right there with UVA. You will never have true apples to apples without all the details.

Just look at the college your kid is interested in how they'd fit into the general profile and then make adjustments for special programs and hooks.

Wow. W&M with no engineering actually has almost identical SATs and GPAs as UVA— and higher 75% GPAs. And identical ACTs. With about the Sam percentage of kids reporting test scores. So much for being a second chance for kids not admitted to UVA.

Nice try.

UVA is more competitive. Period.

No it doesn’t. SCHEV clearly states that W&M ACTs at the 75th percentile, median and 25th percentile are lower than UVAs. That’s a first and significant

SCHEV shows the ACT Composite for both UVA and W&M 34 at the 75th, 33 at the 50th, and 32 at the 25th percentile.

And SCHEV shows in state GPA barely higher for WM at 75% 4.53 vs 4.51. But, WM I’d .02 lower at 50% and 25%. on a weighted grading scale, .02 is at even the difference between an A and an A- in one class with identical focal rigor. Whatever your personal opinion or need to compulsively boost UVA, the academic profiles of the students are almost identical.

Also interesting. WM is more expensive than UVA, but their cost of instate tuition is lower ($18k vs $20k for UVA). And WM does very few full merit based rides. So, theY appear to be meeting need better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was digging into the data. For 2021-2022 grads, roughly the same percentage of the class graduated with student loans— roughly 1/3 of grades. But the average total loans from WM were $21,000 for a BA. For UVA it is $51,000 for a BA. That’s a huge difference.

Why is that? W&M is more expensive in state and less expensive OOS. Is W&M better with financial aid? Or is it that it’s a small SLAC like school and students are self selecting and just more affluent? I would have predicted WM students to have more debt because most students are in state.

Where do you see that?

Click on the hyperlink with each school’s name and you’ll get a bunch of underlying data. The debt at graduation info is there broken out by BA, professional etc. those are the BA numbers. $21k vs $51k is a huge gap. Either UVA does a significantly worse job meeting need, or their students are much less affluent— although about the same percentage of each class has some debt. So, IDK.

What’s scary is that if the average debt is $51k and it’s a state school, that means a lot of kids are carrying a lot more than $51k. That’s not great for a BA. Most aren’t done with their educations yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This stats aren’t really helpful, because they report the university as a whole. Many programs are either easier or more difficult. VT engineering is much higher than the numbers reported for VT as a whole.

Special programs everywhere usually require higher scores than the average at any college I would assume. However, they can serve as a general idea.

UVA has engineering too, and their average is still higher than Tech. W&M has no engineering, and they are right there with UVA. You will never have true apples to apples without all the details.

Just look at the college your kid is interested in how they'd fit into the general profile and then make adjustments for special programs and hooks.

Wow. W&M with no engineering actually has almost identical SATs and GPAs as UVA— and higher 75% GPAs. And identical ACTs. With about the Sam percentage of kids reporting test scores. So much for being a second chance for kids not admitted to UVA.

Nice try.

UVA is more competitive. Period.

Since 2017, yes. That was when UVA saw a sizable bump in their applications.
Both have seen an about equal drop from their pre-covid acceptance rate so for '21/'22 with TO.

One campus fits more the all-american expectation with size, location and sports, while the other seem generally more regarded as either 'hate it or love it'.

However, the caliber and peers at each school are pretty much equals. Just looking for different flavors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How many full ride scholarships does W&M give out each year? What about UVA?

Roughly top 10% at W&M get the Monroe scholarship, which covers 100% in-state tuition.
Then there is the W&M scholarship which also cover 100% in-state tuition. There is another initiative for Pell grant receivers also, but not sure how their budget can do it all at the same time with the multiple construction projects. We shall see.

https://news.wm.edu/2022/09/23/wm-commits-to-cover-full-tuition-and-fees-for-all-in-state-pell-grant-recipients/
https://www.wm.edu/admission/undergraduateadmission/costs-aid/scholarship/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

50% of the entering class didn't submit SAT scores.

Pretty consistent across the board for the competitive publics (45% at Tech and W&M)

What's surprising to me is that only 30% of the entering class at Washington & Lee submitted SAT scores (and the percentiles were identical to UVA).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many full ride scholarships does W&M give out each year? What about UVA?

Roughly top 10% at W&M get the Monroe scholarship, which covers 100% in-state tuition.
Then there is the W&M scholarship which also cover 100% in-state tuition. There is another initiative for Pell grant receivers also, but not sure how their budget can do it all at the same time with the multiple construction projects. We shall see.
No it doesn't. Read the link you attached.

https://news.wm.edu/2022/09/23/wm-commits-to-cover-full-tuition-and-fees-for-all-in-state-pell-grant-recipients/
https://www.wm.edu/admission/undergraduateadmission/costs-aid/scholarship/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was digging into the data. For 2021-2022 grads, roughly the same percentage of the class graduated with student loans— roughly 1/3 of grades. But the average total loans from WM were $21,000 for a BA. For UVA it is $51,000 for a BA. That’s a huge difference.

Why is that? W&M is more expensive in state and less expensive OOS. Is W&M better with financial aid? Or is it that it’s a small SLAC like school and students are self selecting and just more affluent? I would have predicted WM students to have more debt because most students are in state.

What's the OOS proportion of the student body for UVA v. W&M?