Spanish Immersion Community Table Session

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fascinating to me how people have spun this issue into somehow Williamsburg should take a Spanish immersion program.

I don’t have a dog in this fight and it won’t affect my kids but if you people get your way it will be a real exhibit for APS’s dysfunction.

Stop listening to the self-interested parents APS. They are dogged and will never quit. Ultimate entitled behavior.

Because the Immersion “Visioning” team isn’t self interested at all.

Everyone agrees they need to leave Gunston. They'd probably rather stay at Gunston and kick out the neighborhood kids. That would be self-interest.

Instead you all want to move them to the complete opposite end of the County where their program is pretty sure to fail over time. And then if the current and future students don't try hard enough to get there this proves the program was a waste of time and people didn't really want to go all that much. That's the actual argument!!

And the main reason is you don't want Boopsy and Schmoospy to be separated from even some of their friends or have to ride a bus.

It's pretty fantastic to watch though.

It's not fantastic if they are derailing a plan that makes sense in the long run for their kid to finish 3 years at Hamm and then they don't care at ALL what happen to the families left in their wake.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there is an idea that moving to a more centralized location. Which some have deemed kenmore to be they will attract more Key families to continue with Immersion. We are Claremont, I know maybe 10 families that left immersion. I heard with key nearly 50% of families left immersion this year. Gunston is mainly Claremont families supposedly..

Some key parents said they don't go to gunston due to location but I think everyone ignores the elephant in the room for not going to Gunston. One that Kenmore won't solve.

Exactly NA families at Key aren’t sending their kids to KENMORE.

WMS would be a BIG draw for immersion from SA families too.

I am a SA Immersion family and WMS has NO draw for me.

Sure but for parents who care about academic outcomes, they will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fascinating to me how people have spun this issue into somehow Williamsburg should take a Spanish immersion program.

I don’t have a dog in this fight and it won’t affect my kids but if you people get your way it will be a real exhibit for APS’s dysfunction.

Stop listening to the self-interested parents APS. They are dogged and will never quit. Ultimate entitled behavior.

Because the Immersion “Visioning” team isn’t self interested at all.

Everyone agrees they need to leave Gunston. They'd probably rather stay at Gunston and kick out the neighborhood kids. That would be self-interest.

Instead you all want to move them to the complete opposite end of the County where their program is pretty sure to fail over time. And then if the current and future students don't try hard enough to get there this proves the program was a waste of time and people didn't really want to go all that much. That's the actual argument!!

And the main reason is you don't want Boopsy and Schmoospy to be separated from even some of their friends or have to ride a bus.

It's pretty fantastic to watch though.

It's not fantastic if they are derailing a plan that makes sense in the long run for their kid to finish 3 years at Hamm and then they don't care at ALL what happen to the families left in their wake.

You are so uninformed. The elementary school parents are the ones upset not current middle school parents. Because students will now be bused to far away WMS rather than the closer local middle school in perpetuity.

This isn’t a “it will go away problem”. The impacted Hamm and Swanson family will campaign against this idiotic boundary for decades. I know parents with kids in diaper who are up in arms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there is an idea that moving to a more centralized location. Which some have deemed kenmore to be they will attract more Key families to continue with Immersion. We are Claremont, I know maybe 10 families that left immersion. I heard with key nearly 50% of families left immersion this year. Gunston is mainly Claremont families supposedly..

Some key parents said they don't go to gunston due to location but I think everyone ignores the elephant in the room for not going to Gunston. One that Kenmore won't solve.

Exactly NA families at Key aren’t sending their kids to KENMORE.

WMS would be a BIG draw for immersion from SA families too.

I am a SA Immersion family and WMS has NO draw for me.

Same -- and not because of the distance, but because it would weaken the program in the short-term and destroy it in the long-term.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fascinating to me how people have spun this issue into somehow Williamsburg should take a Spanish immersion program.

I don’t have a dog in this fight and it won’t affect my kids but if you people get your way it will be a real exhibit for APS’s dysfunction.

Stop listening to the self-interested parents APS. They are dogged and will never quit. Ultimate entitled behavior.

Because the Immersion “Visioning” team isn’t self interested at all.

Everyone agrees they need to leave Gunston. They'd probably rather stay at Gunston and kick out the neighborhood kids. That would be self-interest.

Instead you all want to move them to the complete opposite end of the County where their program is pretty sure to fail over time. And then if the current and future students don't try hard enough to get there this proves the program was a waste of time and people didn't really want to go all that much. That's the actual argument!!

And the main reason is you don't want Boopsy and Schmoospy to be separated from even some of their friends or have to ride a bus.

It's pretty fantastic to watch though.

It's not fantastic if they are derailing a plan that makes sense in the long run for their kid to finish 3 years at Hamm and then they don't care at ALL what happen to the families left in their wake.

You are so uninformed. The elementary school parents are the ones upset not current middle school parents. Because students will now be bused to far away WMS rather than the closer local middle school in perpetuity.

This isn’t a “it will go away problem”. The impacted Hamm and Swanson family will campaign against this idiotic boundary for decades. I know parents with kids in diaper who are up in arms.

Really? I am a current Swanson family with a kid in elementary as well that would likely be moved to Williamsburg. The Swanson kids who would move are not even very close to Swanson. Williamsburg is also close to us. I genuinely do not care and have not heard of one person who does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fascinating to me how people have spun this issue into somehow Williamsburg should take a Spanish immersion program.

I don’t have a dog in this fight and it won’t affect my kids but if you people get your way it will be a real exhibit for APS’s dysfunction.

Stop listening to the self-interested parents APS. They are dogged and will never quit. Ultimate entitled behavior.

Because the Immersion “Visioning” team isn’t self interested at all.

Everyone agrees they need to leave Gunston. They'd probably rather stay at Gunston and kick out the neighborhood kids. That would be self-interest.

Instead you all want to move them to the complete opposite end of the County where their program is pretty sure to fail over time. And then if the current and future students don't try hard enough to get there this proves the program was a waste of time and people didn't really want to go all that much. That's the actual argument!!

And the main reason is you don't want Boopsy and Schmoospy to be separated from even some of their friends or have to ride a bus.

It's pretty fantastic to watch though.

It's not fantastic if they are derailing a plan that makes sense in the long run for their kid to finish 3 years at Hamm and then they don't care at ALL what happen to the families left in their wake.

You are so uninformed. The elementary school parents are the ones upset not current middle school parents. Because students will now be bused to far away WMS rather than the closer local middle school in perpetuity.

This isn’t a “it will go away problem”. The impacted Hamm and Swanson family will campaign against this idiotic boundary for decades. I know parents with kids in diaper who are up in arms.

Really? I am a current Swanson family with a kid in elementary as well that would likely be moved to Williamsburg. The Swanson kids who would move are not even very close to Swanson. Williamsburg is also close to us. I genuinely do not care and have not heard of one person who does.

I think it’s the Hamm people freaking out. Meanwhile they used to bus to Swanson and/or Williamsburg. It’s just not that big of a deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fascinating to me how people have spun this issue into somehow Williamsburg should take a Spanish immersion program.

I don’t have a dog in this fight and it won’t affect my kids but if you people get your way it will be a real exhibit for APS’s dysfunction.

Stop listening to the self-interested parents APS. They are dogged and will never quit. Ultimate entitled behavior.

Because the Immersion “Visioning” team isn’t self interested at all.

Everyone agrees they need to leave Gunston. They'd probably rather stay at Gunston and kick out the neighborhood kids. That would be self-interest.

Instead you all want to move them to the complete opposite end of the County where their program is pretty sure to fail over time. And then if the current and future students don't try hard enough to get there this proves the program was a waste of time and people didn't really want to go all that much. That's the actual argument!!

And the main reason is you don't want Boopsy and Schmoospy to be separated from even some of their friends or have to ride a bus.

It's pretty fantastic to watch though.

It's not fantastic if they are derailing a plan that makes sense in the long run for their kid to finish 3 years at Hamm and then they don't care at ALL what happen to the families left in their wake.

You are so uninformed. The elementary school parents are the ones upset not current middle school parents. Because students will now be bused to far away WMS rather than the closer local middle school in perpetuity.

This isn’t a “it will go away problem”. The impacted Hamm and Swanson family will campaign against this idiotic boundary for decades. I know parents with kids in diaper who are up in arms.

Really? I am a current Swanson family with a kid in elementary as well that would likely be moved to Williamsburg. The Swanson kids who would move are not even very close to Swanson. Williamsburg is also close to us. I genuinely do not care and have not heard of one person who does.

So you are equidistant and not walkable to Swanson? Sure. Makes sense you don’t care. No idea why you felt like sharing. It’s the huge swaths of walk zones that are impacted. Literally nothing changes for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fascinating to me how people have spun this issue into somehow Williamsburg should take a Spanish immersion program.

I don’t have a dog in this fight and it won’t affect my kids but if you people get your way it will be a real exhibit for APS’s dysfunction.

Stop listening to the self-interested parents APS. They are dogged and will never quit. Ultimate entitled behavior.

Because the Immersion “Visioning” team isn’t self interested at all.

Everyone agrees they need to leave Gunston. They'd probably rather stay at Gunston and kick out the neighborhood kids. That would be self-interest.

Instead you all want to move them to the complete opposite end of the County where their program is pretty sure to fail over time. And then if the current and future students don't try hard enough to get there this proves the program was a waste of time and people didn't really want to go all that much. That's the actual argument!!

And the main reason is you don't want Boopsy and Schmoospy to be separated from even some of their friends or have to ride a bus.

It's pretty fantastic to watch though.

It's not fantastic if they are derailing a plan that makes sense in the long run for their kid to finish 3 years at Hamm and then they don't care at ALL what happen to the families left in their wake.

I believe the “it’s fantastic” was sarcasm. Same old story. Current entitled families of a certain zip code and demographic stand in the way of anything that makes sense strategically long term and somehow are listened to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fascinating to me how people have spun this issue into somehow Williamsburg should take a Spanish immersion program.

I don’t have a dog in this fight and it won’t affect my kids but if you people get your way it will be a real exhibit for APS’s dysfunction.

Stop listening to the self-interested parents APS. They are dogged and will never quit. Ultimate entitled behavior.

Because the Immersion “Visioning” team isn’t self interested at all.

Everyone agrees they need to leave Gunston. They'd probably rather stay at Gunston and kick out the neighborhood kids. That would be self-interest.

Instead you all want to move them to the complete opposite end of the County where their program is pretty sure to fail over time. And then if the current and future students don't try hard enough to get there this proves the program was a waste of time and people didn't really want to go all that much. That's the actual argument!!

And the main reason is you don't want Boopsy and Schmoospy to be separated from even some of their friends or have to ride a bus.

It's pretty fantastic to watch though.

It's not fantastic if they are derailing a plan that makes sense in the long run for their kid to finish 3 years at Hamm and then they don't care at ALL what happen to the families left in their wake.

You are so uninformed. The elementary school parents are the ones upset not current middle school parents. Because students will now be bused to far away WMS rather than the closer local middle school in perpetuity.

This isn’t a “it will go away problem”. The impacted Hamm and Swanson family will campaign against this idiotic boundary for decades. I know parents with kids in diaper who are up in arms.

Really? I am a current Swanson family with a kid in elementary as well that would likely be moved to Williamsburg. The Swanson kids who would move are not even very close to Swanson. Williamsburg is also close to us. I genuinely do not care and have not heard of one person who does.

I think it’s the Hamm people freaking out. Meanwhile they used to bus to Swanson and/or Williamsburg. It’s just not that big of a deal.

Let’s see they were denied a local neighborhood school by an option program for decades, and they finally championed to get their own neighborhood middle school and now another option program is kicking them out. I can see why this would make a neighborhood unhappy. I would worry that instead of champion a local middle school, they would redirect their ire to abolishing options in general

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fascinating to me how people have spun this issue into somehow Williamsburg should take a Spanish immersion program.

I don’t have a dog in this fight and it won’t affect my kids but if you people get your way it will be a real exhibit for APS’s dysfunction.

Stop listening to the self-interested parents APS. They are dogged and will never quit. Ultimate entitled behavior.

Because the Immersion “Visioning” team isn’t self interested at all.

Everyone agrees they need to leave Gunston. They'd probably rather stay at Gunston and kick out the neighborhood kids. That would be self-interest.

Instead you all want to move them to the complete opposite end of the County where their program is pretty sure to fail over time. And then if the current and future students don't try hard enough to get there this proves the program was a waste of time and people didn't really want to go all that much. That's the actual argument!!

And the main reason is you don't want Boopsy and Schmoospy to be separated from even some of their friends or have to ride a bus.

It's pretty fantastic to watch though.

It's not fantastic if they are derailing a plan that makes sense in the long run for their kid to finish 3 years at Hamm and then they don't care at ALL what happen to the families left in their wake.

You are so uninformed. The elementary school parents are the ones upset not current middle school parents. Because students will now be bused to far away WMS rather than the closer local middle school in perpetuity.

This isn’t a “it will go away problem”. The impacted Hamm and Swanson family will campaign against this idiotic boundary for decades. I know parents with kids in diaper who are up in arms.

Really? I am a current Swanson family with a kid in elementary as well that would likely be moved to Williamsburg. The Swanson kids who would move are not even very close to Swanson. Williamsburg is also close to us. I genuinely do not care and have not heard of one person who does.

So you are equidistant and not walkable to Swanson? Sure. Makes sense you don’t care. No idea why you felt like sharing. It’s the huge swaths of walk zones that are impacted. Literally nothing changes for you.

Look at the map. I am walkable to Swanson but on the edge of the walk zone. Many of us in that boat. My kid would be bused to Williamsburg mostly due to Langston Blvd. I would let them walk home probably. Williamsburg is not far.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fascinating to me how people have spun this issue into somehow Williamsburg should take a Spanish immersion program.

I don’t have a dog in this fight and it won’t affect my kids but if you people get your way it will be a real exhibit for APS’s dysfunction.

Stop listening to the self-interested parents APS. They are dogged and will never quit. Ultimate entitled behavior.

Because the Immersion “Visioning” team isn’t self interested at all.

Everyone agrees they need to leave Gunston. They'd probably rather stay at Gunston and kick out the neighborhood kids. That would be self-interest.

Instead you all want to move them to the complete opposite end of the County where their program is pretty sure to fail over time. And then if the current and future students don't try hard enough to get there this proves the program was a waste of time and people didn't really want to go all that much. That's the actual argument!!

And the main reason is you don't want Boopsy and Schmoospy to be separated from even some of their friends or have to ride a bus.

It's pretty fantastic to watch though.

It's not fantastic if they are derailing a plan that makes sense in the long run for their kid to finish 3 years at Hamm and then they don't care at ALL what happen to the families left in their wake.

You are so uninformed. The elementary school parents are the ones upset not current middle school parents. Because students will now be bused to far away WMS rather than the closer local middle school in perpetuity.

This isn’t a “it will go away problem”. The impacted Hamm and Swanson family will campaign against this idiotic boundary for decades. I know parents with kids in diaper who are up in arms.

Really? I am a current Swanson family with a kid in elementary as well that would likely be moved to Williamsburg. The Swanson kids who would move are not even very close to Swanson. Williamsburg is also close to us. I genuinely do not care and have not heard of one person who does.

I think it’s the Hamm people freaking out. Meanwhile they used to bus to Swanson and/or Williamsburg. It’s just not that big of a deal.

Let’s see they were denied a local neighborhood school by an option program for decades, and they finally championed to get their own neighborhood middle school and now another option program is kicking them out. I can see why this would make a neighborhood unhappy. I would worry that instead of champion a local middle school, they would redirect their ire to abolishing options in general

Some people are just obsessed with the idea of their kids walking to school I’ve learned. I can’t relate. Have had kids walk and bus. Meanwhile a bunch of them drive their kids in the morning anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fascinating to me how people have spun this issue into somehow Williamsburg should take a Spanish immersion program.

I don’t have a dog in this fight and it won’t affect my kids but if you people get your way it will be a real exhibit for APS’s dysfunction.

Stop listening to the self-interested parents APS. They are dogged and will never quit. Ultimate entitled behavior.

Because the Immersion “Visioning” team isn’t self interested at all.

Everyone agrees they need to leave Gunston. They'd probably rather stay at Gunston and kick out the neighborhood kids. That would be self-interest.

Instead you all want to move them to the complete opposite end of the County where their program is pretty sure to fail over time. And then if the current and future students don't try hard enough to get there this proves the program was a waste of time and people didn't really want to go all that much. That's the actual argument!!

And the main reason is you don't want Boopsy and Schmoospy to be separated from even some of their friends or have to ride a bus.

It's pretty fantastic to watch though.

It's not fantastic if they are derailing a plan that makes sense in the long run for their kid to finish 3 years at Hamm and then they don't care at ALL what happen to the families left in their wake.

I believe the “it’s fantastic” was sarcasm. Same old story. Current entitled families of a certain zip code and demographic stand in the way of anything that makes sense strategically long term and somehow are listened to.

I agree, should not listen to tiny group from the vision survey that said that moving to Kenmore was way to go. Strategic move would be to least crowded schools and minimize bus routes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fascinating to me how people have spun this issue into somehow Williamsburg should take a Spanish immersion program.

I don’t have a dog in this fight and it won’t affect my kids but if you people get your way it will be a real exhibit for APS’s dysfunction.

Stop listening to the self-interested parents APS. They are dogged and will never quit. Ultimate entitled behavior.

Because the Immersion “Visioning” team isn’t self interested at all.

Everyone agrees they need to leave Gunston. They'd probably rather stay at Gunston and kick out the neighborhood kids. That would be self-interest.

Instead you all want to move them to the complete opposite end of the County where their program is pretty sure to fail over time. And then if the current and future students don't try hard enough to get there this proves the program was a waste of time and people didn't really want to go all that much. That's the actual argument!!

And the main reason is you don't want Boopsy and Schmoospy to be separated from even some of their friends or have to ride a bus.

It's pretty fantastic to watch though.

It's not fantastic if they are derailing a plan that makes sense in the long run for their kid to finish 3 years at Hamm and then they don't care at ALL what happen to the families left in their wake.

You are so uninformed. The elementary school parents are the ones upset not current middle school parents. Because students will now be bused to far away WMS rather than the closer local middle school in perpetuity.

This isn’t a “it will go away problem”. The impacted Hamm and Swanson family will campaign against this idiotic boundary for decades. I know parents with kids in diaper who are up in arms.

Really? I am a current Swanson family with a kid in elementary as well that would likely be moved to Williamsburg. The Swanson kids who would move are not even very close to Swanson. Williamsburg is also close to us. I genuinely do not care and have not heard of one person who does.

I think it’s the Hamm people freaking out. Meanwhile they used to bus to Swanson and/or Williamsburg. It’s just not that big of a deal.

Let’s see they were denied a local neighborhood school by an option program for decades, and they finally championed to get their own neighborhood middle school and now another option program is kicking them out. I can see why this would make a neighborhood unhappy. I would worry that instead of champion a local middle school, they would redirect their ire to abolishing options in general

This response is the ultimate entitled thinking. Typical. I deserve xyz. The end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fascinating to me how people have spun this issue into somehow Williamsburg should take a Spanish immersion program.

I don’t have a dog in this fight and it won’t affect my kids but if you people get your way it will be a real exhibit for APS’s dysfunction.

Stop listening to the self-interested parents APS. They are dogged and will never quit. Ultimate entitled behavior.

Because the Immersion “Visioning” team isn’t self interested at all.

Everyone agrees they need to leave Gunston. They'd probably rather stay at Gunston and kick out the neighborhood kids. That would be self-interest.

Instead you all want to move them to the complete opposite end of the County where their program is pretty sure to fail over time. And then if the current and future students don't try hard enough to get there this proves the program was a waste of time and people didn't really want to go all that much. That's the actual argument!!

And the main reason is you don't want Boopsy and Schmoospy to be separated from even some of their friends or have to ride a bus.

It's pretty fantastic to watch though.

It's not fantastic if they are derailing a plan that makes sense in the long run for their kid to finish 3 years at Hamm and then they don't care at ALL what happen to the families left in their wake.

You are so uninformed. The elementary school parents are the ones upset not current middle school parents. Because students will now be bused to far away WMS rather than the closer local middle school in perpetuity.

This isn’t a “it will go away problem”. The impacted Hamm and Swanson family will campaign against this idiotic boundary for decades. I know parents with kids in diaper who are up in arms.

Really? I am a current Swanson family with a kid in elementary as well that would likely be moved to Williamsburg. The Swanson kids who would move are not even very close to Swanson. Williamsburg is also close to us. I genuinely do not care and have not heard of one person who does.

So you are equidistant and not walkable to Swanson? Sure. Makes sense you don’t care. No idea why you felt like sharing. It’s the huge swaths of walk zones that are impacted. Literally nothing changes for you.

I believe all the Swanson PUs tentatively slated to move to Williamsburg are in the Swanson walk zone. I have not heard really any buzz among families much caring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fascinating to me how people have spun this issue into somehow Williamsburg should take a Spanish immersion program.

I don’t have a dog in this fight and it won’t affect my kids but if you people get your way it will be a real exhibit for APS’s dysfunction.

Stop listening to the self-interested parents APS. They are dogged and will never quit. Ultimate entitled behavior.

Because the Immersion “Visioning” team isn’t self interested at all.

Everyone agrees they need to leave Gunston. They'd probably rather stay at Gunston and kick out the neighborhood kids. That would be self-interest.

Instead you all want to move them to the complete opposite end of the County where their program is pretty sure to fail over time. And then if the current and future students don't try hard enough to get there this proves the program was a waste of time and people didn't really want to go all that much. That's the actual argument!!

And the main reason is you don't want Boopsy and Schmoospy to be separated from even some of their friends or have to ride a bus.

It's pretty fantastic to watch though.

It's not fantastic if they are derailing a plan that makes sense in the long run for their kid to finish 3 years at Hamm and then they don't care at ALL what happen to the families left in their wake.

I believe the “it’s fantastic” was sarcasm. Same old story. Current entitled families of a certain zip code and demographic stand in the way of anything that makes sense strategically long term and somehow are listened to.

I agree, should not listen to tiny group from the vision survey that said that moving to Kenmore was way to go. Strategic move would be to least crowded schools and minimize bus routes.

Kenmore is the worst location. It’s not centrally located, it doesn’t have space, the new boundaries would make the neighborhood program less diverse, and the traffic situation is already terrible without adding 8 buses and more parent drop offs.