Berkeley and Stanford to ACC, does this hurt UVA and Duke?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The discussion above focused on the academic stature of these schools is beside the point. It's all about the Football media market. The ACC has added the Bay Area and Dallas media markets, which should boost their TV contracts. I think that's the point. Increased revenue from football will help preserve all the olympic (non-rev) sports. It comes at a cost for the athletes that have to travel. Note however, that not all sports compete against every conference opponents as it is. Look at PITT's soccer schedule; they play about half their games out of conference as it is. There will be more travel (particularly for the teams out West) but every ACC team is not flying to CA to play CAL and Stanford in every sport.

Yes, they pretty much will be. Any sport that a school participates in will be flying out to CA at least once a year to play the two teams. And think about all of the trips the Cal and Stanford teams will be making east, probably 4-5 per year per team. Brutal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The discussion above focused on the academic stature of these schools is beside the point. It's all about the Football media market. The ACC has added the Bay Area and Dallas media markets, which should boost their TV contracts. I think that's the point. Increased revenue from football will help preserve all the olympic (non-rev) sports. It comes at a cost for the athletes that have to travel. Note however, that not all sports compete against every conference opponents as it is. Look at PITT's soccer schedule; they play about half their games out of conference as it is. There will be more travel (particularly for the teams out West) but every ACC team is not flying to CA to play CAL and Stanford in every sport.

Yes, they pretty much will be. Any sport that a school participates in will be flying out to CA at least once a year to play the two teams. And think about all of the trips the Cal and Stanford teams will be making east, probably 4-5 per year per team. Brutal.

First poster is likely correct, the ACC teams already do not play all other ACC teams in any given season. Them travel will be crazy for the CA teams though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stanford
Duke
UC-Berkeley
UVA
UNC
Georgia Tech
Notre Dame

Not a bad group of schools

NC State, FSU, Clemson...come on now, those are not even average academic schools.

You are wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Without the academic stature of Stanford & Cal, these schools would never have been offered admission to the ACC.

It was precipitated by an understanding that conferences that aren't growing are at risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are changing conf name to APCC

Maybe they can get the trademark from the old Great Atlantic and Pacific Tea Company and call themselves the “A&P.”

[Anonymous]

If ACC schools break up, many will leave in groups, and Duke will be left out. Duke should be worried.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If ACC schools break up, many will leave in groups, and Duke will be left out. Duke should be worried.

They have until the 2030s. Duke just crushed Clemson. If Clemson sinks back what Clemson football traditionally is, then they should be very worried. No one knows what schools will have the opportunity to jump or what the land scape will like in 10 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stanford
Duke
UC-Berkeley
UVA
UNC
Georgia Tech
Notre Dame

Not a bad group of schools

Notes Dame is not in the ACC
Wake Forest is

Rank in SAT scores

Stanford
Cal
Duke
Notre Dame
Wake
BC
Georgia Tech
Uva
Unc

I thought UVA was below UNC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Could Georgetown join a major conference if they committed to big time football? I don't get why they waste their time playing FCS football given their other programs are in the Big East. Just like the Ivy League, if you are going to commit to playing at a D1 level, why not actually do well?
Otherwise, keep your recruited athlete standards more like MIT, Hopkins, and Swarthmore and play D3.

When I was at Swarthmore, we played Georgetown in football. It was definitely surprising to me (and, yes, we lost). It was the biggest D3 team I’d ever seen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The discussion above focused on the academic stature of these schools is beside the point. It's all about the Football media market. The ACC has added the Bay Area and Dallas media markets, which should boost their TV contracts. I think that's the point. Increased revenue from football will help preserve all the olympic (non-rev) sports. It comes at a cost for the athletes that have to travel. Note however, that not all sports compete against every conference opponents as it is. Look at PITT's soccer schedule; they play about half their games out of conference as it is. There will be more travel (particularly for the teams out West) but every ACC team is not flying to CA to play CAL and Stanford in every sport.

Yes, they pretty much will be. Any sport that a school participates in will be flying out to CA at least once a year to play the two teams. And think about all of the trips the Cal and Stanford teams will be making east, probably 4-5 per year per team. Brutal.

First poster is likely correct, the ACC teams already do not play all other ACC teams in any given season. Them travel will be crazy for the CA teams though.

They are working on this. There are plans to play some games (non-football, basketball) at SMU so that the Cali teams and the east coast teams do not have the full travel. Yes each team will have one Cali trip. The reaction from each team going to Cali will be -- this is the greatest thing ever. They would kill to go to Cali on a school sanctioned trip. Down to the last field hockey player. But it should just be one a year per team. cali teams will likely have to come east twice. They will play SMU and ND. Also some games at SMU. This is very doable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The discussion above focused on the academic stature of these schools is beside the point. It's all about the Football media market. The ACC has added the Bay Area and Dallas media markets, which should boost their TV contracts. I think that's the point. Increased revenue from football will help preserve all the olympic (non-rev) sports. It comes at a cost for the athletes that have to travel. Note however, that not all sports compete against every conference opponents as it is. Look at PITT's soccer schedule; they play about half their games out of conference as it is. There will be more travel (particularly for the teams out West) but every ACC team is not flying to CA to play CAL and Stanford in every sport.

Yes, they pretty much will be. Any sport that a school participates in will be flying out to CA at least once a year to play the two teams. And think about all of the trips the Cal and Stanford teams will be making east, probably 4-5 per year per team. Brutal.

First poster is likely correct, the ACC teams already do not play all other ACC teams in any given season. Them travel will be crazy for the CA teams though.

They are working on this. There are plans to play some games (non-football, basketball) at SMU so that the Cali teams and the east coast teams do not have the full travel. Yes each team will have one Cali trip. The reaction from each team going to Cali will be -- this is the greatest thing ever. They would kill to go to Cali on a school sanctioned trip. Down to the last field hockey player. But it should just be one a year per team. cali teams will likely have to come east twice. They will play SMU and ND. Also some games at SMU. This is very doable.

Cal joined, not UCSD or UCLA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stanford
Duke
UC-Berkeley
UVA
UNC
Georgia Tech
Notre Dame

Not a bad group of schools

Notes Dame is not in the ACC
Wake Forest is

Rank in SAT scores

Stanford
Cal
Duke
Notre Dame
Wake
BC
Georgia Tech
Uva
Unc

I thought UVA was below UNC.

No. UVA is 1430. UNC is several spots below at 1395. This was discussed up thread