AI essays - holy moly

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly…..
What he had written had personal anecdotes and stories in it but it wasn’t coherent enough and the AI draft had more poignancy, descriptive words, and honestly just tighter writing.

The orig draft was just ok. It sounded unpolished. It’s like an editor took a pen to it.

This took a story, made it poignant and emotional and just tightened it all up. Kid will refit now and add more description and then ask us to edit again.

Let’s see. It actually was really good to get over a writing block/hump.

um no, it’s cheating.

I don’t think so. It’s like working with an essay editor.

It’s coauthorship. Big discussion in academia. If I co-write the results of my study with AI do I list the ai as a coauthor in the journal etc, We coauthor all the time and it’s not cheating as long as you acknowledge

I wonder if the academics have spoken to copyright lawyers. Making AI an author may invalidate your ownership of the work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AI essays scream AI. It’s so easy to identify.

Responses like this make me chuckle.

Yes, BAD AI is easy to identify. GOOD AI is not easy to identify. The difference between good and bad is the prompts/training that the use feeds.

You have probably seen tons of great AI and never knew it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AI essays scream AI. It’s so easy to identify.

Responses like this make me chuckle.

Yes, BAD AI is easy to identify. GOOD AI is not easy to identify. The difference between good and bad is the prompts/training that the use feeds.

You have probably seen tons of great AI and never knew it.

Give it another iteration or two and even bad prompts will result in good essays. People act like the product we have now is stagnant, but compare GPT 4 to the earlier versions and you can see how rapidly it's improving

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly…..
What he had written had personal anecdotes and stories in it but it wasn’t coherent enough and the AI draft had more poignancy, descriptive words, and honestly just tighter writing.

The orig draft was just ok. It sounded unpolished. It’s like an editor took a pen to it.

This took a story, made it poignant and emotional and just tightened it all up. Kid will refit now and add more description and then ask us to edit again.

Let’s see. It actually was really good to get over a writing block/hump.

um no, it’s cheating.

I don’t think so. It’s like working with an essay editor.

Yeah, I'm not sure in a year or so we will think using AI to write/revise our essays or anything we write will be considered cheating.

Agree with this. Prob by January tbh

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AI essays scream AI. It’s so easy to identify.

Responses like this make me chuckle.

Yes, BAD AI is easy to identify. GOOD AI is not easy to identify. The difference between good and bad is the prompts/training that the use feeds.

You have probably seen tons of great AI and never knew it.

I feel like the person who wrote that is like a stay at home parent who has no idea what AI is and has not been using GPT4 at work already… these people are so clueless

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AI essays scream AI. It’s so easy to identify.

Responses like this make me chuckle.

Yes, BAD AI is easy to identify. GOOD AI is not easy to identify. The difference between good and bad is the prompts/training that the use feeds.

You have probably seen tons of great AI and never knew it.

Give it another iteration or two and even bad prompts will result in good essays. People act like the product we have now is stagnant, but compare GPT 4 to the earlier versions and you can see how rapidly it's improving

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It’s like ppl are in denial or something

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AI essays scream AI. It’s so easy to identify.

Responses like this make me chuckle.

Yes, BAD AI is easy to identify. GOOD AI is not easy to identify. The difference between good and bad is the prompts/training that the use feeds.

You have probably seen tons of great AI and never knew it.

I feel like the person who wrote that is like a stay at home parent who has no idea what AI is and has not been using GPT4 at work already… these people are so clueless

Ouch.

But prob accurate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I asked AI to draft a couple essays using different parameters or scenarios. The results were pure crap.

This. One of my kids tried it for a discussion post for a college class and it was terrible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AI essays scream AI. It’s so easy to identify.

Responses like this make me chuckle.

Yes, BAD AI is easy to identify. GOOD AI is not easy to identify. The difference between good and bad is the prompts/training that the use feeds.

You have probably seen tons of great AI and never knew it.

+1. Responses like this remind me of a scene in the movie where Harry tells Sally that he always knows when a woman is faking it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I asked AI to draft a couple essays using different parameters or scenarios. The results were pure crap.

This. One of my kids tried it for a discussion post for a college class and it was terrible.

You are throwing your kid under the bus as an idiot when you write something like this. It just shows your kid is falling behind in not knowing how to properly train and use the tool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I asked AI to draft a couple essays using different parameters or scenarios. The results were pure crap.

This. One of my kids tried it for a discussion post for a college class and it was terrible.

You are throwing your kid under the bus as an idiot when you write something like this. It just shows your kid is falling behind in not knowing how to properly train and use the tool.

Agree. Btw are schools teaching our kids how to use gpt4

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stop pretending the AI bots can’t produce quality work. Many heads of admission at the most elite colleges say it produces essays in the top 1% if you know how to train the AI.

Funny how everyone on DCUM thinks they are Shakespeare.

I agree. Need to find some examples to show here.

I listened to a podcast the other day where the guest was a professor and someone who studies AI. His prediction is that the college essay totally goes away, in short-order, due to the quality of AI essays. Additionally, he thinks that schools need to be moving a lot faster to change the way they teach to account for AI. It's not going away and it's time to reinvent the classroom experience to account for it.

This professor needs to talk to some of the previous posters. They're apparently able to detect AI essays with 100% accuracy.

[Anonymous]

Agree detecting AI may be impossible. But detecting and rejecting tedious writing is tried and true. Sorry, blowhards.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid entered a draft essay into an AI bot.
It’s now amazing.
And then we entered the result into an AI “test”…..and it passed and said 100% human generated.
The AI version really was better than the human version…it was a “why” essay with a lot of personalization.


I’m just shocked.

Yes many people do not understand AI or how it works. It will replace many white collar jobs- lawyers, analyst, etc.

Definitely no need to spend $3000, $5000 or more on any type of college essay advice! Have your kid write tons of drafts and put them into GPT4.
Then have them edit the refined result that comes out so it sounds even more like them. Keep doing that for a couple rounds.

Save yourself time and $$!

"Have your kid write tons of drafts [...] and then have them edit the refined result [...]. "

To me this has always been true for writing - before and after AI. AI editing may help, yes, but if High Schoolers and everyone else put in the work, good things will follow.

[Anonymous]

Time to stop with essays, go back to test scores