Complaint ag Harvard Re Legacy Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Since legacy - aka white affirmative action - would adversely impact most on DCUM, there won't be much noise here supporting this case.

I was thrilled with the Supreme Court’s decision killing affirmative action. I fully support gutting all legacy admissions as well.

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with competitive Asian parents and kids is that they’re just as “racist” and exclusionary as the whites and others they bash. Asians aren’t applauding the SC decision because they’re more morally upright, but because they see a competitive advantage. That’s fine, but let’s just be honest about motivations here.

And if they think this ruling restores a "meritocracy" they will be sorely mistaken.

Absolutely, those taking a victory lap are going to be very surprised when the demographic composition of college classes next year and going forward is near identical to this year.

Will we? I applaud the ruling. My kids are white but if the Asians out score then and many will. So be it. Asians don’t mess around and I work with some amazingly talented Asians. What makes me mad is URMs with shit scores and grades victory lapping while my perfect score kid is rejected. That I cannot accept. Let the best prevail/ America will be stronger for it

NP, where is it written into law that universities have to take only the highest scoring students? Why not pick a 1400 or 1300 if they have something interesting to offer and will graduate on time too?
The university can pick amazing students that will become xyz scholars and make great news, while they are also graduating the masses on time in a very diverse student body. No need to have only top gpa/sat scorers for that.

+1 I cannot believe that people think that colleges are required to admit on some sort of sliding scale, starting with highest "scores" on down. They should and do admit a diverse student body, offering a variety of strengths, interests, passions, contributing to a vibrant, complex, successful community. Can you imagine top colleges graduating classes with over 65% or more of its student body as pre-med and CS, one-dimensional students with no connections, no life experiences? Also, for those of you complaining that the non-revenue generating sports are pathways for rich, white students, please please click here and come back: https://gocrimson.com/sports/womens-fencing/roster

[Anonymous]

Legacy is not a protected class. A private college is free to treat them differently. It may or may not be a good idea, but no law prohibits it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Legacy is not a protected class. A private college is free to treat them differently. It may or may not be a good idea, but no law prohibits it.

This is exactly right. There is no discrimination in this practice.

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with competitive Asian parents and kids is that they’re just as “racist” and exclusionary as the whites and others they bash. Asians aren’t applauding the SC decision because they’re more morally upright, but because they see a competitive advantage. That’s fine, but let’s just be honest about motivations here.

And if they think this ruling restores a "meritocracy" they will be sorely mistaken.

Absolutely, those taking a victory lap are going to be very surprised when the demographic composition of college classes next year and going forward is near identical to this year.

Will we? I applaud the ruling. My kids are white but if the Asians out score then and many will. So be it. Asians don’t mess around and I work with some amazingly talented Asians. What makes me mad is URMs with shit scores and grades victory lapping while my perfect score kid is rejected. That I cannot accept. Let the best prevail/ America will be stronger for it

URMs “with shit scores”?? In 2022 there were 10,000 URMs who scored in the 1400-1600 range on the SAT.

https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2022-total-group-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report.pdf

+1

Enough to fill the top schools. And that's with the SAT becoming less relevant under test optional.

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with competitive Asian parents and kids is that they’re just as “racist” and exclusionary as the whites and others they bash. Asians aren’t applauding the SC decision because they’re more morally upright, but because they see a competitive advantage. That’s fine, but let’s just be honest about motivations here.

And if they think this ruling restores a "meritocracy" they will be sorely mistaken.

Absolutely, those taking a victory lap are going to be very surprised when the demographic composition of college classes next year and going forward is near identical to this year.

Will we? I applaud the ruling. My kids are white but if the Asians out score then and many will. So be it. Asians don’t mess around and I work with some amazingly talented Asians. What makes me mad is URMs with shit scores and grades victory lapping while my perfect score kid is rejected. That I cannot accept. Let the best prevail/ America will be stronger for it

URMs “with shit scores”?? In 2022 there were 10,000 URMs who scored in the 1400-1600 range on the SAT.

https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2022-total-group-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report.pdf

Your own source document says 27% of Asian and ONE PERCENT of black fall into that score range 💀

My one source document? Are you serious? It’s the actual raw data from THE College Board. Do you know what that is?

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with competitive Asian parents and kids is that they’re just as “racist” and exclusionary as the whites and others they bash. Asians aren’t applauding the SC decision because they’re more morally upright, but because they see a competitive advantage. That’s fine, but let’s just be honest about motivations here.

And if they think this ruling restores a "meritocracy" they will be sorely mistaken.

Absolutely, those taking a victory lap are going to be very surprised when the demographic composition of college classes next year and going forward is near identical to this year.

Will we? I applaud the ruling. My kids are white but if the Asians out score then and many will. So be it. Asians don’t mess around and I work with some amazingly talented Asians. What makes me mad is URMs with shit scores and grades victory lapping while my perfect score kid is rejected. That I cannot accept. Let the best prevail/ America will be stronger for it

URMs “with shit scores”?? In 2022 there were 10,000 URMs who scored in the 1400-1600 range on the SAT.

https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2022-total-group-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report.pdf

Your own source document says 27% of Asian and ONE PERCENT of black fall into that score range 💀

And it’s a wide range. I’d expect the the average score of the Asian kid in the 1400-1600 bucket to be much higher than the Black kid in the same bucket.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Legacy is not a protected class. A private college is free to treat them differently. It may or may not be a good idea, but no law prohibits it.

Laws can be made.
Those private colleges are still getting aid and support from state and federal governments.
If they want to be completely free and have total freedom to do whatever they want, they can stop receiving those, and also start paying taxes.
Voters have power over lawmakers.

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with competitive Asian parents and kids is that they’re just as “racist” and exclusionary as the whites and others they bash. Asians aren’t applauding the SC decision because they’re more morally upright, but because they see a competitive advantage. That’s fine, but let’s just be honest about motivations here.

And if they think this ruling restores a "meritocracy" they will be sorely mistaken.

Absolutely, those taking a victory lap are going to be very surprised when the demographic composition of college classes next year and going forward is near identical to this year.

Will we? I applaud the ruling. My kids are white but if the Asians out score then and many will. So be it. Asians don’t mess around and I work with some amazingly talented Asians. What makes me mad is URMs with shit scores and grades victory lapping while my perfect score kid is rejected. That I cannot accept. Let the best prevail/ America will be stronger for it

URMs “with shit scores”?? In 2022 there were 10,000 URMs who scored in the 1400-1600 range on the SAT.

https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2022-total-group-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report.pdf

Your own source document says 27% of Asian and ONE PERCENT of black fall into that score range 💀

My one source document? Are you serious? It’s the actual raw data from THE College Board. Do you know what that is?

I think PP meant the source you provided.

So according to the source, there are 27 times more Asians with high scores than Blacks.

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Anonymous wrote:With sports, at least the kid did something.
With legacy, the kid just was born into a certain family. Zero effort.

and with preferences for things like squash - fencing - equestrian
These are all sports that are historically overly represented by Caucasian students at the college level.
It is a way to get preference - and if you have a lot of money - you can make it happen

You can’t just buy your way into a team. You actually have to be good at the sport, ie, you must have merit.

Tell that to USC

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with competitive Asian parents and kids is that they’re just as “racist” and exclusionary as the whites and others they bash. Asians aren’t applauding the SC decision because they’re more morally upright, but because they see a competitive advantage. That’s fine, but let’s just be honest about motivations here.

And if they think this ruling restores a "meritocracy" they will be sorely mistaken.

Absolutely, those taking a victory lap are going to be very surprised when the demographic composition of college classes next year and going forward is near identical to this year.

Will we? I applaud the ruling. My kids are white but if the Asians out score then and many will. So be it. Asians don’t mess around and I work with some amazingly talented Asians. What makes me mad is URMs with shit scores and grades victory lapping while my perfect score kid is rejected. That I cannot accept. Let the best prevail/ America will be stronger for it

NP, where is it written into law that universities have to take only the highest scoring students? Why not pick a 1400 or 1300 if they have something interesting to offer and will graduate on time too?
The university can pick amazing students that will become xyz scholars and make great news, while they are also graduating the masses on time in a very diverse student body. No need to have only top gpa/sat scorers for that.

+1 I cannot believe that people think that colleges are required to admit on some sort of sliding scale, starting with highest "scores" on down. They should and do admit a diverse student body, offering a variety of strengths, interests, passions, contributing to a vibrant, complex, successful community. Can you imagine top colleges graduating classes with over 65% or more of its student body as pre-med and CS, one-dimensional students with no connections, no life experiences? Also, for those of you complaining that the non-revenue generating sports are pathways for rich, white students, please please click here and come back: https://gocrimson.com/sports/womens-fencing/roster

You must be new to this.
According to the Harvard record, Asians had higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview. etc.
They excel in art and music, etc.

Also as your link shows, Asians are good athletes, too.

Hence the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with competitive Asian parents and kids is that they’re just as “racist” and exclusionary as the whites and others they bash. Asians aren’t applauding the SC decision because they’re more morally upright, but because they see a competitive advantage. That’s fine, but let’s just be honest about motivations here.

And if they think this ruling restores a "meritocracy" they will be sorely mistaken.

Absolutely, those taking a victory lap are going to be very surprised when the demographic composition of college classes next year and going forward is near identical to this year.

Will we? I applaud the ruling. My kids are white but if the Asians out score then and many will. So be it. Asians don’t mess around and I work with some amazingly talented Asians. What makes me mad is URMs with shit scores and grades victory lapping while my perfect score kid is rejected. That I cannot accept. Let the best prevail/ America will be stronger for it

The thing is, “scores” aren’t everything. There are plenty of intangibles that go into forming a cohort. Racial demographics should be one consideration but SCOTUS says no (despite the presence of several beneficiaries of AA on the court and in the legal profession at all, but I digress). This is easy to work around.

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with competitive Asian parents and kids is that they’re just as “racist” and exclusionary as the whites and others they bash. Asians aren’t applauding the SC decision because they’re more morally upright, but because they see a competitive advantage. That’s fine, but let’s just be honest about motivations here.

And if they think this ruling restores a "meritocracy" they will be sorely mistaken.

Absolutely, those taking a victory lap are going to be very surprised when the demographic composition of college classes next year and going forward is near identical to this year.

Will we? I applaud the ruling. My kids are white but if the Asians out score then and many will. So be it. Asians don’t mess around and I work with some amazingly talented Asians. What makes me mad is URMs with shit scores and grades victory lapping while my perfect score kid is rejected. That I cannot accept. Let the best prevail/ America will be stronger for it

URMs “with shit scores”?? In 2022 there were 10,000 URMs who scored in the 1400-1600 range on the SAT.

https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2022-total-group-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report.pdf

Your own source document says 27% of Asian and ONE PERCENT of black fall into that score range 💀

My one source document? Are you serious? It’s the actual raw data from THE College Board. Do you know what that is?

I think PP meant the source you provided.

So according to the source, there are 27 times more Asians with high scores than Blacks.

Being overrepresented doesn't necessarily help one's case to get into top schools. Being underrepresented does. Supply and demand.

The high stat Asians are competing against each other. Only so many will get admitted. Don't be fooled.

If ALDC remains, Whites of all academic abilities will still get their spots.

Nothing will change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With sports, at least the kid did something.
With legacy, the kid just was born into a certain family. Zero effort.

and with preferences for things like squash - fencing - equestrian
These are all sports that are historically overly represented by Caucasian students at the college level.
It is a way to get preference - and if you have a lot of money - you can make it happen

You can’t just buy your way into a team. You actually have to be good at the sport, ie, you must have merit.

Tell that to USC

and George Town, Stanford, UCLA, UCSD, Yale, Texas Austin, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_Blues_scandal

[Anonymous]

This is true. Also, the majority of International students are Asian. Especially fascinating is the willingness of elite institutions to educate so Chinese students (and Russian) students. They are full pay students, so I guess that is the justification.