Rising 8th grader - Summer Geometry honors

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC was at Frost - 7th grader in Algebra 1 AAP. His teacher strongly discouraged geometry over the summer saying it was like a month or two of regular school for each week in the summer. You have to be fully devoted to math for the summer (limited family trips, no other camps, no swim team, etc). We decided against it.

My question was always -- what is the point? I'm not asking this sarcastically. What is the high school track for a student that is three years advanced? I never get a clear response. This student is presumably in Calc BC by sophomore year of HS. Then what? Are they taking college math classes the last two years? Again, presumably this is a student that wants to keep math as a focus in their academic life into college. If they are that interested in math, is there concern with them being away from Calc for 2 years when they go to college.

We're a family that places a value on academics, but this just seems to be a race forward for the sake of being ahead.

Could have stopped with "We have decided against it". But oh no, why lose the opportunity to putdown other kids who may be advancing more that yours and imply their parents could be self serving. Address your self induced parental insecurity, with "We're a family that places a value on academics, ...".

My point was more that we're not laissez faire about education as was a criticism made of parents earlier in the chain if you didn't push this option (the you clearly don't care about your kids education type comments). You've criticized my post, but your comments seems more like projection. I still don't have a firm answer of what this means for a student in junior and senior year of HS. What math classes are they taking in those years? Are they available at all schools or just a handful? What are the options beyond AP stats if they are taking Calc BC by sophomore year? Are they taking classes at NoVa? Is it smart to be away from calc for a year or two? Are colleges just going to have them take some of these AP math classes again? Honestly asking. I have asked before on this forum to better understand, and the answer I get is -- there are options.

I hear you and 100% agree. The only reason these kids are doing it is: TJ. They think it gives them a leg up. They should abolish TJ. It’s sickening the lengths these families will go to to get into TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC was at Frost - 7th grader in Algebra 1 AAP. His teacher strongly discouraged geometry over the summer saying it was like a month or two of regular school for each week in the summer. You have to be fully devoted to math for the summer (limited family trips, no other camps, no swim team, etc). We decided against it.

My question was always -- what is the point? I'm not asking this sarcastically. What is the high school track for a student that is three years advanced? I never get a clear response. This student is presumably in Calc BC by sophomore year of HS. Then what? Are they taking college math classes the last two years? Again, presumably this is a student that wants to keep math as a focus in their academic life into college. If they are that interested in math, is there concern with them being away from Calc for 2 years when they go to college.

We're a family that places a value on academics, but this just seems to be a race forward for the sake of being ahead.

Could have stopped with "We have decided against it". But oh no, why lose the opportunity to putdown other kids who may be advancing more that yours and imply their parents could be self serving. Address your self induced parental insecurity, with "We're a family that places a value on academics, ...".

My point was more that we're not laissez faire about education as was a criticism made of parents earlier in the chain if you didn't push this option (the you clearly don't care about your kids education type comments). You've criticized my post, but your comments seems more like projection. I still don't have a firm answer of what this means for a student in junior and senior year of HS. What math classes are they taking in those years? Are they available at all schools or just a handful? What are the options beyond AP stats if they are taking Calc BC by sophomore year? Are they taking classes at NoVa? Is it smart to be away from calc for a year or two? Are colleges just going to have them take some of these AP math classes again? Honestly asking. I have asked before on this forum to better understand, and the answer I get is -- there are options.

I hear you and 100% agree. The only reason these kids are doing it is: TJ. They think it gives them a leg up. They should abolish TJ. It’s sickening the lengths these families will go to to get into TJ.

And that was absolutely not my point. I think they should consider a second honors school in the county or potentially limiting TJ to Fairfax County applicants. There are clearly more bright, deserving children than there are slots. It is a gem and we don't help others, but holding some back.

Having said that... If your child rushes through the geometry in a couple weeks in the summer, what are they taking in high school? Perhaps we made the wrong choice, but after asking around (teachers, other parents, this forum)... I never get a clear picture of options when being that far ahead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC was at Frost - 7th grader in Algebra 1 AAP. His teacher strongly discouraged geometry over the summer saying it was like a month or two of regular school for each week in the summer. You have to be fully devoted to math for the summer (limited family trips, no other camps, no swim team, etc). We decided against it.

My question was always -- what is the point? I'm not asking this sarcastically. What is the high school track for a student that is three years advanced? I never get a clear response. This student is presumably in Calc BC by sophomore year of HS. Then what? Are they taking college math classes the last two years? Again, presumably this is a student that wants to keep math as a focus in their academic life into college. If they are that interested in math, is there concern with them being away from Calc for 2 years when they go to college.

We're a family that places a value on academics, but this just seems to be a race forward for the sake of being ahead.

Could have stopped with "We have decided against it". But oh no, why lose the opportunity to putdown other kids who may be advancing more that yours and imply their parents could be self serving. Address your self induced parental insecurity, with "We're a family that places a value on academics, ...".

My point was more that we're not laissez faire about education as was a criticism made of parents earlier in the chain if you didn't push this option (the you clearly don't care about your kids education type comments). You've criticized my post, but your comments seems more like projection. I still don't have a firm answer of what this means for a student in junior and senior year of HS. What math classes are they taking in those years? Are they available at all schools or just a handful? What are the options beyond AP stats if they are taking Calc BC by sophomore year? Are they taking classes at NoVa? Is it smart to be away from calc for a year or two? Are colleges just going to have them take some of these AP math classes again? Honestly asking. I have asked before on this forum to better understand, and the answer I get is -- there are options.

I hear you and 100% agree. The only reason these kids are doing it is: TJ. They think it gives them a leg up. They should abolish TJ. It’s sickening the lengths these families will go to to get into TJ.

+10000
Not only TJ, they should also abolish grades in base schools. If they cannot do it all at once, they should abolish Math first and foremost, followed by Science. Social studies can stay, but no quizzes. PE, Music, and Drama they can keep, but attendance should not be required. Reading is OK, but definitely ban Writing. More than reading, listening should be emphasized by making audiobooks availabel through Spotify. That said, ban Math first and fast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC was at Frost - 7th grader in Algebra 1 AAP. His teacher strongly discouraged geometry over the summer saying it was like a month or two of regular school for each week in the summer. You have to be fully devoted to math for the summer (limited family trips, no other camps, no swim team, etc). We decided against it.

My question was always -- what is the point? I'm not asking this sarcastically. What is the high school track for a student that is three years advanced? I never get a clear response. This student is presumably in Calc BC by sophomore year of HS. Then what? Are they taking college math classes the last two years? Again, presumably this is a student that wants to keep math as a focus in their academic life into college. If they are that interested in math, is there concern with them being away from Calc for 2 years when they go to college.

We're a family that places a value on academics, but this just seems to be a race forward for the sake of being ahead.

Could have stopped with "We have decided against it". But oh no, why lose the opportunity to putdown other kids who may be advancing more that yours and imply their parents could be self serving. Address your self induced parental insecurity, with "We're a family that places a value on academics, ...".

My point was more that we're not laissez faire about education as was a criticism made of parents earlier in the chain if you didn't push this option (the you clearly don't care about your kids education type comments). You've criticized my post, but your comments seems more like projection. I still don't have a firm answer of what this means for a student in junior and senior year of HS. What math classes are they taking in those years? Are they available at all schools or just a handful? What are the options beyond AP stats if they are taking Calc BC by sophomore year? Are they taking classes at NoVa? Is it smart to be away from calc for a year or two? Are colleges just going to have them take some of these AP math classes again? Honestly asking. I have asked before on this forum to better understand, and the answer I get is -- there are options.

DP. Most FCPS schools offer Multivariable Calc and Linear algebra as post AP-calc options. Now that McLean and Langley are getting a more advanced cohort who aren't being admitted to TJ, it's likely that they will need to expand their offerings.

A kid taking AP calc in 10th grade would take DE multivariable calc/Linear Algebra in 11th, and then either take a class at a college or they would take AP stats or something else in 12th. They can remain in practice with their calculus by taking AP Physics C in 12th if they take AP stats that year. Some colleges may force them to retake some of the AP math classes, but if so, they'll have a leg up over the kids seeing the material for the first time.

Unless the kid really loves math and already knew all of the content of Honors Geometry, perhaps through an AoPS course, taking summer geometry just to get ahead is a bad idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC was at Frost - 7th grader in Algebra 1 AAP. His teacher strongly discouraged geometry over the summer saying it was like a month or two of regular school for each week in the summer. You have to be fully devoted to math for the summer (limited family trips, no other camps, no swim team, etc). We decided against it.

My question was always -- what is the point? I'm not asking this sarcastically. What is the high school track for a student that is three years advanced? I never get a clear response. This student is presumably in Calc BC by sophomore year of HS. Then what? Are they taking college math classes the last two years? Again, presumably this is a student that wants to keep math as a focus in their academic life into college. If they are that interested in math, is there concern with them being away from Calc for 2 years when they go to college.

We're a family that places a value on academics, but this just seems to be a race forward for the sake of being ahead.

Could have stopped with "We have decided against it". But oh no, why lose the opportunity to putdown other kids who may be advancing more that yours and imply their parents could be self serving. Address your self induced parental insecurity, with "We're a family that places a value on academics, ...".

My point was more that we're not laissez faire about education as was a criticism made of parents earlier in the chain if you didn't push this option (the you clearly don't care about your kids education type comments). You've criticized my post, but your comments seems more like projection. I still don't have a firm answer of what this means for a student in junior and senior year of HS. What math classes are they taking in those years? Are they available at all schools or just a handful? What are the options beyond AP stats if they are taking Calc BC by sophomore year? Are they taking classes at NoVa? Is it smart to be away from calc for a year or two? Are colleges just going to have them take some of these AP math classes again? Honestly asking. I have asked before on this forum to better understand, and the answer I get is -- there are options.

DP. Most FCPS schools offer Multivariable Calc and Linear algebra as post AP-calc options. Now that McLean and Langley are getting a more advanced cohort who aren't being admitted to TJ, it's likely that they will need to expand their offerings.

A kid taking AP calc in 10th grade would take DE multivariable calc/Linear Algebra in 11th, and then either take a class at a college or they would take AP stats or something else in 12th. They can remain in practice with their calculus by taking AP Physics C in 12th if they take AP stats that year. Some colleges may force them to retake some of the AP math classes, but if so, they'll have a leg up over the kids seeing the material for the first time.

Unless the kid really loves math and already knew all of the content of Honors Geometry, perhaps through an AoPS course, taking summer geometry just to get ahead is a bad idea.

If you want a good college and educational experience, stop trying to get "a leg up" on people, and try to better yourself and collaborate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC was at Frost - 7th grader in Algebra 1 AAP. His teacher strongly discouraged geometry over the summer saying it was like a month or two of regular school for each week in the summer. You have to be fully devoted to math for the summer (limited family trips, no other camps, no swim team, etc). We decided against it.

My question was always -- what is the point? I'm not asking this sarcastically. What is the high school track for a student that is three years advanced? I never get a clear response. This student is presumably in Calc BC by sophomore year of HS. Then what? Are they taking college math classes the last two years? Again, presumably this is a student that wants to keep math as a focus in their academic life into college. If they are that interested in math, is there concern with them being away from Calc for 2 years when they go to college.

We're a family that places a value on academics, but this just seems to be a race forward for the sake of being ahead.

Could have stopped with "We have decided against it". But oh no, why lose the opportunity to putdown other kids who may be advancing more that yours and imply their parents could be self serving. Address your self induced parental insecurity, with "We're a family that places a value on academics, ...".

My point was more that we're not laissez faire about education as was a criticism made of parents earlier in the chain if you didn't push this option (the you clearly don't care about your kids education type comments). You've criticized my post, but your comments seems more like projection. I still don't have a firm answer of what this means for a student in junior and senior year of HS. What math classes are they taking in those years? Are they available at all schools or just a handful? What are the options beyond AP stats if they are taking Calc BC by sophomore year? Are they taking classes at NoVa? Is it smart to be away from calc for a year or two? Are colleges just going to have them take some of these AP math classes again? Honestly asking. I have asked before on this forum to better understand, and the answer I get is -- there are options.

DP. Most FCPS schools offer Multivariable Calc and Linear algebra as post AP-calc options. Now that McLean and Langley are getting a more advanced cohort who aren't being admitted to TJ, it's likely that they will need to expand their offerings.

A kid taking AP calc in 10th grade would take DE multivariable calc/Linear Algebra in 11th, and then either take a class at a college or they would take AP stats or something else in 12th. They can remain in practice with their calculus by taking AP Physics C in 12th if they take AP stats that year. Some colleges may force them to retake some of the AP math classes, but if so, they'll have a leg up over the kids seeing the material for the first time.

Unless the kid really loves math and already knew all of the content of Honors Geometry, perhaps through an AoPS course, taking summer geometry just to get ahead is a bad idea.

The obvious thing to do is to rush a head in 8th grade and then do slow down and catch up what you missed during 2 year AP calculus for the AP GPA grubbing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC was at Frost - 7th grader in Algebra 1 AAP. His teacher strongly discouraged geometry over the summer saying it was like a month or two of regular school for each week in the summer. You have to be fully devoted to math for the summer (limited family trips, no other camps, no swim team, etc). We decided against it.

My question was always -- what is the point? I'm not asking this sarcastically. What is the high school track for a student that is three years advanced? I never get a clear response. This student is presumably in Calc BC by sophomore year of HS. Then what? Are they taking college math classes the last two years? Again, presumably this is a student that wants to keep math as a focus in their academic life into college. If they are that interested in math, is there concern with them being away from Calc for 2 years when they go to college.

We're a family that places a value on academics, but this just seems to be a race forward for the sake of being ahead.

Could have stopped with "We have decided against it". But oh no, why lose the opportunity to putdown other kids who may be advancing more that yours and imply their parents could be self serving. Address your self induced parental insecurity, with "We're a family that places a value on academics, ...".

My point was more that we're not laissez faire about education as was a criticism made of parents earlier in the chain if you didn't push this option (the you clearly don't care about your kids education type comments). You've criticized my post, but your comments seems more like projection. I still don't have a firm answer of what this means for a student in junior and senior year of HS. What math classes are they taking in those years? Are they available at all schools or just a handful? What are the options beyond AP stats if they are taking Calc BC by sophomore year? Are they taking classes at NoVa? Is it smart to be away from calc for a year or two? Are colleges just going to have them take some of these AP math classes again? Honestly asking. I have asked before on this forum to better understand, and the answer I get is -- there are options.

DP. Most FCPS schools offer Multivariable Calc and Linear algebra as post AP-calc options. Now that McLean and Langley are getting a more advanced cohort who aren't being admitted to TJ, it's likely that they will need to expand their offerings.

A kid taking AP calc in 10th grade would take DE multivariable calc/Linear Algebra in 11th, and then either take a class at a college or they would take AP stats or something else in 12th. They can remain in practice with their calculus by taking AP Physics C in 12th if they take AP stats that year. Some colleges may force them to retake some of the AP math classes, but if so, they'll have a leg up over the kids seeing the material for the first time.

Unless the kid really loves math and already knew all of the content of Honors Geometry, perhaps through an AoPS course, taking summer geometry just to get ahead is a bad idea.

The obvious thing to do is to rush a head in 8th grade and then do slow down and catch up what you missed during 2 year AP calculus for the AP GPA grubbing.

lol so true!

my kid is a rising sophomore at TJ. these kids who rushed have D’s and C’s on pre-calculus and Calc BC.

The naturally math inclined or the one who slowed down ( eg Geometry in 9th) are doing just fine.

Never could understand the rush to take math classes beyond Calculus BC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC was at Frost - 7th grader in Algebra 1 AAP. His teacher strongly discouraged geometry over the summer saying it was like a month or two of regular school for each week in the summer. You have to be fully devoted to math for the summer (limited family trips, no other camps, no swim team, etc). We decided against it.

My question was always -- what is the point? I'm not asking this sarcastically. What is the high school track for a student that is three years advanced? I never get a clear response. This student is presumably in Calc BC by sophomore year of HS. Then what? Are they taking college math classes the last two years? Again, presumably this is a student that wants to keep math as a focus in their academic life into college. If they are that interested in math, is there concern with them being away from Calc for 2 years when they go to college.

We're a family that places a value on academics, but this just seems to be a race forward for the sake of being ahead.

Could have stopped with "We have decided against it". But oh no, why lose the opportunity to putdown other kids who may be advancing more that yours and imply their parents could be self serving. Address your self induced parental insecurity, with "We're a family that places a value on academics, ...".

My point was more that we're not laissez faire about education as was a criticism made of parents earlier in the chain if you didn't push this option (the you clearly don't care about your kids education type comments). You've criticized my post, but your comments seems more like projection. I still don't have a firm answer of what this means for a student in junior and senior year of HS. What math classes are they taking in those years? Are they available at all schools or just a handful? What are the options beyond AP stats if they are taking Calc BC by sophomore year? Are they taking classes at NoVa? Is it smart to be away from calc for a year or two? Are colleges just going to have them take some of these AP math classes again? Honestly asking. I have asked before on this forum to better understand, and the answer I get is -- there are options.

DP. Most FCPS schools offer Multivariable Calc and Linear algebra as post AP-calc options. Now that McLean and Langley are getting a more advanced cohort who aren't being admitted to TJ, it's likely that they will need to expand their offerings.

A kid taking AP calc in 10th grade would take DE multivariable calc/Linear Algebra in 11th, and then either take a class at a college or they would take AP stats or something else in 12th. They can remain in practice with their calculus by taking AP Physics C in 12th if they take AP stats that year. Some colleges may force them to retake some of the AP math classes, but if so, they'll have a leg up over the kids seeing the material for the first time.

Unless the kid really loves math and already knew all of the content of Honors Geometry, perhaps through an AoPS course, taking summer geometry just to get ahead is a bad idea.

The obvious thing to do is to rush a head in 8th grade and then do slow down and catch up what you missed during 2 year AP calculus for the AP GPA grubbing.

lol so true!

my kid is a rising sophomore at TJ. these kids who rushed have D’s and C’s on pre-calculus and Calc BC.

The naturally math inclined or the one who slowed down ( eg Geometry in 9th) are doing just fine.

Never could understand the rush to take math classes beyond Calculus BC

Choosing Calculus as the limit beyond acceleration is useless is somewhat arbitrary. It depends on the child interest, aptitude, intended major etc.

I agree that summer geometry doesn’t make a lot of sense unless the student took it elsewhere (like AOPS) and he just needs to work through it for credit.

[Anonymous]

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Choosing Calculus as the limit beyond acceleration is useless is somewhat arbitrary. It depends on the child interest, aptitude, intended major etc.

I agree that summer geometry doesn’t make a lot of sense unless the student took it elsewhere (like AOPS) and he just needs to work through it for credit.

I see what you did there .

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know how Summer Geometry honors grade is calculated? Is it based on total marks obtained in unit tests + midterm + final or each aboive category has diufferent weightage? Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how Summer Geometry honors grade is calculated? Is it based on total marks obtained in unit tests + midterm + final or each aboive category has diufferent weightage? Thanks!

20% midterm
20% final
60% Quizzes and unit test

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC was at Frost - 7th grader in Algebra 1 AAP. His teacher strongly discouraged geometry over the summer saying it was like a month or two of regular school for each week in the summer. You have to be fully devoted to math for the summer (limited family trips, no other camps, no swim team, etc). We decided against it.

My question was always -- what is the point? I'm not asking this sarcastically. What is the high school track for a student that is three years advanced? I never get a clear response. This student is presumably in Calc BC by sophomore year of HS. Then what? Are they taking college math classes the last two years? Again, presumably this is a student that wants to keep math as a focus in their academic life into college. If they are that interested in math, is there concern with them being away from Calc for 2 years when they go to college.

We're a family that places a value on academics, but this just seems to be a race forward for the sake of being ahead.

AMC10/12 requires some knowledge of advanced math topics. LMS usually asks all kids to do AMC8 in 7th grade and AMC10A/B in 8th.

[Anonymous]

Let your kids be kids for the summer, people. JFC. Kids don’t need to be taking Geometry in the summer! It’s sick!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let your kids be kids for the summer, people. JFC. Kids don’t need to be taking Geometry in the summer! It’s sick!

And no sports or art!

Summer is for TikTik and Fortnite!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC was at Frost - 7th grader in Algebra 1 AAP. His teacher strongly discouraged geometry over the summer saying it was like a month or two of regular school for each week in the summer. You have to be fully devoted to math for the summer (limited family trips, no other camps, no swim team, etc). We decided against it.

My question was always -- what is the point? I'm not asking this sarcastically. What is the high school track for a student that is three years advanced? I never get a clear response. This student is presumably in Calc BC by sophomore year of HS. Then what? Are they taking college math classes the last two years? Again, presumably this is a student that wants to keep math as a focus in their academic life into college. If they are that interested in math, is there concern with them being away from Calc for 2 years when they go to college.

We're a family that places a value on academics, but this just seems to be a race forward for the sake of being ahead.

AMC10/12 requires some knowledge of advanced math topics. LMS usually asks all kids to do AMC8 in 7th grade and AMC10A/B in 8th.

What does LMS stand for?