Rising 8th grader - Summer Geometry honors

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Anonymous wrote:^ and don’t forget, it’s worse for the kid to take outside classes instead of fruitfully spending their time in school, because they will go to school anyway.

I’d feel worse for kids taking math outside of school.

Doesn't mean they have to retake the same class, especially if they took outside classes somewhere accredited like AoPS. There's no reason schools can't accept it for credit or at least placement.

As far as I know they don’t accept that credit. Maybe things have changed. Kids will still go to school though. Those 8 hrs/day will still be spent there. It’s better if they are advancing during those 8 hrs and do other fulfilling activities outside of school.

This anti-education attitude is why the US economy is faltering.

Which anti education attitude are you talking about?

Discouraging people from learning outside of officially designated learning hours, as quoted above.

I wasn’t discouraging them. They can learn wherever they want. I was saying that holding kids back in the public schools forces the parents to either leave the kids behind and have other non academic activities or put them in more school after the 8th our.

I don’t know about you, but I don’t prefer to work after work. I’d think it’s the same for most people.

It’s like you goofing around at work and working to catch up in the evening.

At work you contribute while at school they receive. Advanced kids are not challenged at school and that's why they have to learn outside.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and don’t forget, it’s worse for the kid to take outside classes instead of fruitfully spending their time in school, because they will go to school anyway.

I’d feel worse for kids taking math outside of school.

Doesn't mean they have to retake the same class, especially if they took outside classes somewhere accredited like AoPS. There's no reason schools can't accept it for credit or at least placement.

As far as I know they don’t accept that credit. Maybe things have changed. Kids will still go to school though. Those 8 hrs/day will still be spent there. It’s better if they are advancing during those 8 hrs and do other fulfilling activities outside of school.

This anti-education attitude is why the US economy is faltering.

Which anti education attitude are you talking about?

Discouraging people from learning outside of officially designated learning hours, as quoted above.

I wasn’t discouraging them. They can learn wherever they want. I was saying that holding kids back in the public schools forces the parents to either leave the kids behind and have other non academic activities or put them in more school after the 8th our.

I don’t know about you, but I don’t prefer to work after work. I’d think it’s the same for most people.

It’s like you goofing around at work and working to catch up in the evening.

At work you contribute while at school they receive. Advanced kids are not challenged at school and that's why they have to learn outside.

Whatever! You want to promote your AoPS classes, sure go ahead. You’re advocating for a lousy school and outside enrichment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi friends,

Many of my child AAP rising 8th grader friends, are taking Geometry Honors in summer.
1. Does it help in TJ admission?
2. Will Geometry grade be consider for TJ admission?
3. Does it boost GPA for college application?
4. What is the reason why someone would take summer course instead taking i normal year?
4. We did not feel like taking the course ( my DC is interested in TJ and very good in study ) but now second guessing and afraid concern that my DC will be at dis-advantage for TJ admission.

Thanks

Taking Geometry Honor in summer does not help in TJ admission but surely help get your kids into A2 in 8th grade. Most of time kids want to take it simply because their buddies would take it during summer. Teachers who taught Geometry Honor last year were surprisingly good(a few are current MHS math teachers) and did an excellent job in organizing highly stressful contents. My DC and her classmates enjoyed the learning so much, spent a few hours everyday studying but not complain a single word. However, each kid's experience may vary.

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Anonymous wrote:Op, to answer your question about tj: it’s my opinion that it doesn’t give you an edge to take a2 in 8th.

In our school very few a2 kids were accepted this year. Maybe for those particular ones who were admitted it tipped the scale, but there is now way to know if it made a difference or not. so many others didn’t make it. I think there were about 50 8th graders who asking a2, and I think no more than 5 of those has offers. And there is no telling if A2 was the reason for them getting in.

50 8th graders taking A2 ?? No way, I don't believe this.. not even at Carson

This is probably Longfellow.

That is correct. LMS had 2 A2 classes with 23+ kids in each.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and don’t forget, it’s worse for the kid to take outside classes instead of fruitfully spending their time in school, because they will go to school anyway.

I’d feel worse for kids taking math outside of school.

Doesn't mean they have to retake the same class, especially if they took outside classes somewhere accredited like AoPS. There's no reason schools can't accept it for credit or at least placement.

As far as I know they don’t accept that credit. Maybe things have changed. Kids will still go to school though. Those 8 hrs/day will still be spent there. It’s better if they are advancing during those 8 hrs and do other fulfilling activities outside of school.

This anti-education attitude is why the US economy is faltering.

Which anti education attitude are you talking about?

Discouraging people from learning outside of officially designated learning hours, as quoted above.

I wasn’t discouraging them. They can learn wherever they want. I was saying that holding kids back in the public schools forces the parents to either leave the kids behind and have other non academic activities or put them in more school after the 8th our.

I don’t know about you, but I don’t prefer to work after work. I’d think it’s the same for most people.

It’s like you goofing around at work and working to catch up in the evening.

At work you contribute while at school they receive. Advanced kids are not challenged at school and that's why they have to learn outside.

Whatever! You want to promote your AoPS classes, sure go ahead. You’re advocating for a lousy school and outside enrichment.

I strongly recommend summer reading class for you.

[Anonymous]

A different question: if not happy with the grade, would students be able to expunge summer geometry and re-take in 8th grade?

[Anonymous]

How does summer honors geometry compare to Khan Academy? I’m interested to know if KA is a solid preparation. Please comment on the depth and topics covered or omitted from either.

[Anonymous]

DC was at Frost - 7th grader in Algebra 1 AAP. His teacher strongly discouraged geometry over the summer saying it was like a month or two of regular school for each week in the summer. You have to be fully devoted to math for the summer (limited family trips, no other camps, no swim team, etc). We decided against it.

My question was always -- what is the point? I'm not asking this sarcastically. What is the high school track for a student that is three years advanced? I never get a clear response. This student is presumably in Calc BC by sophomore year of HS. Then what? Are they taking college math classes the last two years? Again, presumably this is a student that wants to keep math as a focus in their academic life into college. If they are that interested in math, is there concern with them being away from Calc for 2 years when they go to college.

We're a family that places a value on academics, but this just seems to be a race forward for the sake of being ahead.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ and don’t forget, it’s worse for the kid to take outside classes instead of fruitfully spending their time in school, because they will go to school anyway.

I’d feel worse for kids taking math outside of school.

Doesn't mean they have to retake the same class, especially if they took outside classes somewhere accredited like AoPS. There's no reason schools can't accept it for credit or at least placement.

As far as I know they don’t accept that credit. Maybe things have changed. Kids will still go to school though. Those 8 hrs/day will still be spent there. It’s better if they are advancing during those 8 hrs and do other fulfilling activities outside of school.

This anti-education attitude is why the US economy is faltering.

Which anti education attitude are you talking about?

Discouraging people from learning outside of officially designated learning hours, as quoted above.

I wasn’t discouraging them. They can learn wherever they want. I was saying that holding kids back in the public schools forces the parents to either leave the kids behind and have other non academic activities or put them in more school after the 8th our.

I don’t know about you, but I don’t prefer to work after work. I’d think it’s the same for most people.

It’s like you goofing around at work and working to catch up in the evening.

At work you contribute while at school they receive. Advanced kids are not challenged at school and that's why they have to learn outside.

Whatever! You want to promote your AoPS classes, sure go ahead. You’re advocating for a lousy school and outside enrichment.

I strongly recommend summer reading class for you.

Given your poor grammar you need to go back to 5th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How does summer honors geometry compare to Khan Academy? I’m interested to know if KA is a solid preparation. Please comment on the depth and topics covered or omitted from either.

It's basically the same material. But Khan videos are very hit and miss and general.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC was at Frost - 7th grader in Algebra 1 AAP. His teacher strongly discouraged geometry over the summer saying it was like a month or two of regular school for each week in the summer. You have to be fully devoted to math for the summer (limited family trips, no other camps, no swim team, etc). We decided against it.

My question was always -- what is the point? I'm not asking this sarcastically. What is the high school track for a student that is three years advanced? I never get a clear response. This student is presumably in Calc BC by sophomore year of HS. Then what? Are they taking college math classes the last two years? Again, presumably this is a student that wants to keep math as a focus in their academic life into college. If they are that interested in math, is there concern with them being away from Calc for 2 years when they go to college.

We're a family that places a value on academics, but this just seems to be a race forward for the sake of being ahead.

Could have stopped with "We have decided against it". But oh no, why lose the opportunity to putdown other kids who may be advancing more that yours and imply their parents could be self serving. Address your self induced parental insecurity, with "We're a family that places a value on academics, ...".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC was at Frost - 7th grader in Algebra 1 AAP. His teacher strongly discouraged geometry over the summer saying it was like a month or two of regular school for each week in the summer. You have to be fully devoted to math for the summer (limited family trips, no other camps, no swim team, etc). We decided against it.

My question was always -- what is the point? I'm not asking this sarcastically. What is the high school track for a student that is three years advanced? I never get a clear response. This student is presumably in Calc BC by sophomore year of HS. Then what? Are they taking college math classes the last two years? Again, presumably this is a student that wants to keep math as a focus in their academic life into college. If they are that interested in math, is there concern with them being away from Calc for 2 years when they go to college.

We're a family that places a value on academics, but this just seems to be a race forward for the sake of being ahead.

Could have stopped with "We have decided against it". But oh no, why lose the opportunity to putdown other kids who may be advancing more that yours and imply their parents could be self serving. Address your self induced parental insecurity, with "We're a family that places a value on academics, ...".

DP. I agree with that poster. Our family chooses against this. And we don't approve of others doing it either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How does summer honors geometry compare to Khan Academy? I’m interested to know if KA is a solid preparation. Please comment on the depth and topics covered or omitted from either.

Can't comment on the summer honors geometry aspect, but I find Khan Academy coursework to be roughly similar to what is covered in the school curriculum, but without the same amount of examples, quizzes, worksheets and whatnot to get familiar with the topic (lacking in depth). DD always does KA in the summer, because it makes the school year much easier. I'm less sure about the utility of KA geometry than I am of everything else we have looked at so far. Stuff like proofs require more time to really think/work through and absorb than it allows, IMO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How does summer honors geometry compare to Khan Academy? I’m interested to know if KA is a solid preparation. Please comment on the depth and topics covered or omitted from either.

It's basically the same material. But Khan videos are very hit and miss and general.

I found Khan Academy lacking in many areas. Two column proofs and constructions, while they have a good intent behind, are poorly presented. I’m doubting Khan Academy is honors level, it’s missing too much.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC was at Frost - 7th grader in Algebra 1 AAP. His teacher strongly discouraged geometry over the summer saying it was like a month or two of regular school for each week in the summer. You have to be fully devoted to math for the summer (limited family trips, no other camps, no swim team, etc). We decided against it.

My question was always -- what is the point? I'm not asking this sarcastically. What is the high school track for a student that is three years advanced? I never get a clear response. This student is presumably in Calc BC by sophomore year of HS. Then what? Are they taking college math classes the last two years? Again, presumably this is a student that wants to keep math as a focus in their academic life into college. If they are that interested in math, is there concern with them being away from Calc for 2 years when they go to college.

We're a family that places a value on academics, but this just seems to be a race forward for the sake of being ahead.

Could have stopped with "We have decided against it". But oh no, why lose the opportunity to putdown other kids who may be advancing more that yours and imply their parents could be self serving. Address your self induced parental insecurity, with "We're a family that places a value on academics, ...".

My point was more that we're not laissez faire about education as was a criticism made of parents earlier in the chain if you didn't push this option (the you clearly don't care about your kids education type comments). You've criticized my post, but your comments seems more like projection. I still don't have a firm answer of what this means for a student in junior and senior year of HS. What math classes are they taking in those years? Are they available at all schools or just a handful? What are the options beyond AP stats if they are taking Calc BC by sophomore year? Are they taking classes at NoVa? Is it smart to be away from calc for a year or two? Are colleges just going to have them take some of these AP math classes again? Honestly asking. I have asked before on this forum to better understand, and the answer I get is -- there are options.