"The [abortion] law has created torture."

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?


Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.

That wasn’t in this article.


It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth


1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare

Take your kid with you. And fear about arrest is made up leftist crap


"Take your kid with you" says the person who has never found themselves in such a situation. It's reactions like yours that confirm to us sane people that conservatives do not give a f*** about real people and real lives. Also no one believes you truly care about babies, either.


Why can’t they? And they clearly have supportive friends and family, so they can’t find someone to watch their child? I’ve had to cart three children everywhere because my leftist husband wants to ride his bike all the time, and take ski vacations with friends. Ever have to cart three little kids and two dogs in two feet of snow to hotels due to a multi-day power outage? I have. Sucks but I did it.


Where could she go to get a 24 week pregnancy induced to deliver? Do you know? Do you know how easy it is to go to a different ob-gyn at that stage and say, hey, induce me, the baby is doomed? What is your own personal experience with being induced by an out-of-state doctor at that stage to terminate a pregnancy?

Abortions laws and anti-abortion whackos across the country have reduced the number of clinics that take patients entering the third trimester. Don't believe me? Go do some of your own research and report back to us.

Her own Florida doctors were sure as hell not going to advise her on where to go make an appointment to get the health care she needed because they wouldn't want to be sued for aiding in an abortion. So where do you think someone who is not a medical professional but needs medical counseling should go to get counseling on something as significant for her health as this?

Also get this: Florida's law redefines "gestation" from "between fertilization and birth" to "as calculated from the first day of the pregnant woman's last menstrual period." So if you are like many women and have irregular periods, you could be defined as being 3 months pregnant or more just because you hadn't had a period in that long. Even if your pregnancy is only a week old. That's what happens when men, especially who are not doctors, are legislating about women's health. It's stupid but that represents today's GOP's level of intelligence.


Colorado, California. There’s two. New York and New Jersey as well. What about MD?


Name the actual clinics not just the states. You don’t just fly to California and say “I’m here for my 3rd trimester abortion!”

Again showing you don’t have the generosity of spirit to imagine someone else’s experience as being different from your own perfection. Do you even know how easy it is for her husband or her to get time off from work was? Do you know how experienced they are as travelers and how debilitating fear of travel to new places can be for some people? Of course you don’t because in your perfection you can’t imagine how others can be less than.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?



Because politicians and the SCOTUS don’t care to hear women. We are second class citizens in their eyes.
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Anonymous wrote:Pro-lifers, where are you? Always so quiet when folks post these stories. Nothing to say here?

Radio silence.


Blessed be the fruit.


What does that mean?


It's a reference to The Handmaid's Tale.

Not a huge fan of the later writing in that show because the show never deals with the evil women who supported the conservative establishment, and just decides to make them "feminist" after they suddenly getting the brutal slap of sexism, which they always thought was just for the Handmaids. And the show NEVER holds the evil wives accountable for destroying a free society and enslaving fertile women (and fully supporting their rapes). That hypocrisy and fake sisterhood turned me off of the show.

I never knew then how accurately it would one day describe Republican women, who are not my sisters and never will be. I don't even see them as real women anymore...they're enablers of rape and torture, the enslavers of wombs, and they deserve to burn in their religious Hell. They deserve to suffer the consequences of their actions. 100%.

All of this.
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Anonymous wrote:Pro-lifers, where are you? Always so quiet when folks post these stories. Nothing to say here?

Radio silence.


Blessed be the fruit.


What does that mean?


It's a reference to The Handmaid's Tale.

Not a huge fan of the later writing in that show because the show never deals with the evil women who supported the conservative establishment, and just decides to make them "feminist" after they suddenly getting the brutal slap of sexism, which they always thought was just for the Handmaids. And the show NEVER holds the evil wives accountable for destroying a free society and enslaving fertile women (and fully supporting their rapes). That hypocrisy and fake sisterhood turned me off of the show.

I never knew then how accurately it would one day describe Republican women, who are not my sisters and never will be. I don't even see them as real women anymore...they're enablers of rape and torture, the enslavers of wombs, and they deserve to burn in their religious Hell. They deserve to suffer the consequences of their actions. 100%.


Word. This right here.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?


Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.

That wasn’t in this article.


It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth


1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare

Take your kid with you. And fear about arrest is made up leftist crap


"Take your kid with you" says the person who has never found themselves in such a situation. It's reactions like yours that confirm to us sane people that conservatives do not give a f*** about real people and real lives. Also no one believes you truly care about babies, either.


Why can’t they? And they clearly have supportive friends and family, so they can’t find someone to watch their child? I’ve had to cart three children everywhere because my leftist husband wants to ride his bike all the time, and take ski vacations with friends. Ever have to cart three little kids and two dogs in two feet of snow to hotels due to a multi-day power outage? I have. Sucks but I did it.


We really need to compile your posts one day. I don’t know how you deal with your “leftist” husband. Such a cross to bear.
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Anonymous wrote:If you aren’t getting a referral for late stage abortion, and we have to assume this family wasn’t given one, it is not simple at all to get the procedure.
It’s also possible this family didn’t comprehend what this delivery was going to be like.
I don’t think many people have any idea how awful this would be. It’s good they are coming forward to shed light on the consequences of these laws.
It has made me understand that there should be no limits set on abortion.
It’s healthcare.


This is what abortion rights advocates have been trying to tell people but no, we have these “moderate” saying “im for abortion with limits.” That is like say you support chemotherapy but only for stage 2 cancer. Stage 4? Screw you.

Abortion is healthcare and Im glad you see this now and that you talk to everyone you know that abortion is healthcare. We need to stop with the stigma.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why the baby had to suffer for 99 minutes. With all the pain management available today, couldn’t they have given it something to take away the pain. Even if it was stoned completely out of its mind, if you knew it was dying anyway, you wouldn’t have to worry about long term brain damage or addiction.

There’s only so much morphine you can give a person before it’s fatal, and that’s not technically allowed either. Air hunger is perhaps the most primal urge.


Why is it not allowed? It is allowed for elderly hospice patients. This baby was in the same situation.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why the baby had to suffer for 99 minutes. With all the pain management available today, couldn’t they have given it something to take away the pain. Even if it was stoned completely out of its mind, if you knew it was dying anyway, you wouldn’t have to worry about long term brain damage or addiction.

There’s only so much morphine you can give a person before it’s fatal, and that’s not technically allowed either. Air hunger is perhaps the most primal urge.


Why is it not allowed? It is allowed for elderly hospice patients. This baby was in the same situation.


OMFG. If you’re going to recommend she kill the baby after he’s born, why not let her terminate the pregnancy before she’s had to deal with the trauma of delivering a baby to die? Why are you promoting euthanasia for babies but not supporting abortion as healthcare?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?


Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.

That wasn’t in this article.


It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth


1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare

Take your kid with you. And fear about arrest is made up leftist crap



"Take your kid with you" says the person who has never found themselves in such a situation. It's reactions like yours that confirm to us sane people that conservatives do not give a f*** about real people and real lives. Also no one believes you truly care about babies, either.


Why can’t they? And they clearly have supportive friends and family, so they can’t find someone to watch their child? I’ve had to cart three children everywhere because my leftist husband wants to ride his bike all the time, and take ski vacations with friends. Ever have to cart three little kids and two dogs in two feet of snow to hotels due to a multi-day power outage? I have. Sucks but I did it.


Where could she go to get a 24 week pregnancy induced to deliver? Do you know? Do you know how easy it is to go to a different ob-gyn at that stage and say, hey, induce me, the baby is doomed? What is your own personal experience with being induced by an out-of-state doctor at that stage to terminate a pregnancy?

Abortions laws and anti-abortion whackos across the country have reduced the number of clinics that take patients entering the third trimester. Don't believe me? Go do some of your own research and report back to us.

Her own Florida doctors were sure as hell not going to advise her on where to go make an appointment to get the health care she needed because they wouldn't want to be sued for aiding in an abortion. So where do you think someone who is not a medical professional but needs medical counseling should go to get counseling on something as significant for her health as this?

Also get this: Florida's law redefines "gestation" from "between fertilization and birth" to "as calculated from the first day of the pregnant woman's last menstrual period." So if you are like many women and have irregular periods, you could be defined as being 3 months pregnant or more just because you hadn't had a period in that long. Even if your pregnancy is only a week old. That's what happens when men, especially who are not doctors, are legislating about women's health. It's stupid but that represents today's GOP's level of intelligence.


Colorado, California. There’s two. New York and New Jersey as well. What about MD?


Name the actual clinics not just the states. You don’t just fly to California and say “I’m here for my 3rd trimester abortion!”

Again showing you don’t have the generosity of spirit to imagine someone else’s experience as being different from your own perfection. Do you even know how easy it is for her husband or her to get time off from work was? Do you know how experienced they are as travelers and how debilitating fear of travel to new places can be for some people? Of course you don’t because in your perfection you can’t imagine how others can be less than.


Second trimester. Math matters. And now you are just making stuff up
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Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?


Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.

That wasn’t in this article.


It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth


1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare

+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.

Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.


On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.


It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.

They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.


Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why the baby had to suffer for 99 minutes. With all the pain management available today, couldn’t they have given it something to take away the pain. Even if it was stoned completely out of its mind, if you knew it was dying anyway, you wouldn’t have to worry about long term brain damage or addiction.

There’s only so much morphine you can give a person before it’s fatal, and that’s not technically allowed either. Air hunger is perhaps the most primal urge.


Why is it not allowed? It is allowed for elderly hospice patients. This baby was in the same situation.


99 minutes isn't a ton of time to titrate up doses in a very tiny someone with weight based medication dosing (different from adults) going through stages of death. It is not the same as hospice care for adults.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why the baby had to suffer for 99 minutes. With all the pain management available today, couldn’t they have given it something to take away the pain. Even if it was stoned completely out of its mind, if you knew it was dying anyway, you wouldn’t have to worry about long term brain damage or addiction.

There’s only so much morphine you can give a person before it’s fatal, and that’s not technically allowed either. Air hunger is perhaps the most primal urge.


Why is it not allowed? It is allowed for elderly hospice patients. This baby was in the same situation.


99 minutes isn't a ton of time to titrate up doses in a very tiny someone with weight based medication dosing (different from adults) going through stages of death. It is not the same as hospice care for adults.


DP to ask, if you are ok with intentionally accelerating an earlier death than would otherwise occur through opiate administration, why then are you not ok with an earlier procedure such as abortion? Because you've tricked your brain that one healthcare procedure is ok and the other isn't though both have the same impact?
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why the baby had to suffer for 99 minutes. With all the pain management available today, couldn’t they have given it something to take away the pain. Even if it was stoned completely out of its mind, if you knew it was dying anyway, you wouldn’t have to worry about long term brain damage or addiction.

There’s only so much morphine you can give a person before it’s fatal, and that’s not technically allowed either. Air hunger is perhaps the most primal urge.


Why is it not allowed? It is allowed for elderly hospice patients. This baby was in the same situation.


Have you ever tried to insert a needle in a tiny baby’s vein?
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Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?


Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.

That wasn’t in this article.


It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth


1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare

Take your kid with you. And fear about arrest is made up leftist crap



"Take your kid with you" says the person who has never found themselves in such a situation. It's reactions like yours that confirm to us sane people that conservatives do not give a f*** about real people and real lives. Also no one believes you truly care about babies, either.


Why can’t they? And they clearly have supportive friends and family, so they can’t find someone to watch their child? I’ve had to cart three children everywhere because my leftist husband wants to ride his bike all the time, and take ski vacations with friends. Ever have to cart three little kids and two dogs in two feet of snow to hotels due to a multi-day power outage? I have. Sucks but I did it.


Where could she go to get a 24 week pregnancy induced to deliver? Do you know? Do you know how easy it is to go to a different ob-gyn at that stage and say, hey, induce me, the baby is doomed? What is your own personal experience with being induced by an out-of-state doctor at that stage to terminate a pregnancy?

Abortions laws and anti-abortion whackos across the country have reduced the number of clinics that take patients entering the third trimester. Don't believe me? Go do some of your own research and report back to us.

Her own Florida doctors were sure as hell not going to advise her on where to go make an appointment to get the health care she needed because they wouldn't want to be sued for aiding in an abortion. So where do you think someone who is not a medical professional but needs medical counseling should go to get counseling on something as significant for her health as this?

Also get this: Florida's law redefines "gestation" from "between fertilization and birth" to "as calculated from the first day of the pregnant woman's last menstrual period." So if you are like many women and have irregular periods, you could be defined as being 3 months pregnant or more just because you hadn't had a period in that long. Even if your pregnancy is only a week old. That's what happens when men, especially who are not doctors, are legislating about women's health. It's stupid but that represents today's GOP's level of intelligence.


Colorado, California. There’s two. New York and New Jersey as well. What about MD?


Name the actual clinics not just the states. You don’t just fly to California and say “I’m here for my 3rd trimester abortion!”

Again showing you don’t have the generosity of spirit to imagine someone else’s experience as being different from your own perfection. Do you even know how easy it is for her husband or her to get time off from work was? Do you know how experienced they are as travelers and how debilitating fear of travel to new places can be for some people? Of course you don’t because in your perfection you can’t imagine how others can be less than.


Second trimester. Math matters. And now you are just making stuff up


The diagnosis was confirmed at 24 weeks. By the time they would have located a clinic that would take them, secured the funds needed, made arrangements for their son, gotten time off work, it would have been 3rd trimester.

Empathy matters. Imagining others’ lives matters. Are you as cruel and cold hearted in real life as you seem here?
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why the baby had to suffer for 99 minutes. With all the pain management available today, couldn’t they have given it something to take away the pain. Even if it was stoned completely out of its mind, if you knew it was dying anyway, you wouldn’t have to worry about long term brain damage or addiction.

There’s only so much morphine you can give a person before it’s fatal, and that’s not technically allowed either. Air hunger is perhaps the most primal urge.


Why is it not allowed? It is allowed for elderly hospice patients. This baby was in the same situation.

You’re either dumb or pretending to miss the point.
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