Case Western or UMD for engineering

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Anonymous wrote:Case Western is big on yield protection. At my kid's HS they waitlist all the high stats kids. I'd almost want to say that with a 35/36 ACT its better to go test optional.

This admission cycle my NOVA kid chose CS at UMD ($10k merit per year) over Case engineering ($30k) as well as BU ($25k), Lehigh ($30k) WM ($0), Ohio St. ($16.5k), UMN ($25k) and Pitt ($0). Really enjoyed our visit. He was deferred to RD from EA. He was bitter about the deferral. He would have liked to get out of the DMV, but think he made the smart choice.

I agree. CWRU might have been an option for my kid too but the deferral crossed them off.

I don't understand the "deferral crossed them off"? If you kid wanted to go and would have accepted in EA, what was the "better offer" from a RD school that swayed them?
It's not like they were Waitlisted--that I can understand. After May 1 most kids move on

I was the first poster that chose UMD, with my kid it was an ego thing. Thought he was being a bit sensitive. Oh well.

(except nursing obviously because you must start on day 1 to get thru in 4 years).

Isn't that true for engineering as well?

No, it is completely open. You don't have to declare a major till you are a junior and you can choose and do multiple majors in whichever school you want.

That usually happens in a major that is not impacted, which means it's not that popular there. You could not do that in an impacted major.

Take it from an alum and 2 kids at case that is not the case. You can apply as a psychology major and graduate as a chemical engineer or something else. It happens at Case all the time. But they will weed you out if you are not prepared. For example, some may go there to pursue premed but weeded out after struggling with organic chemistry. Same goes for engineering. At the end everyone finds what they are good at and pursue that.

yes, but is chemical engineer an impacted major at Case ? That was the point. Impacted majors don't let you transfer in unless there is room, and you pass the prereqs.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d go B1G ten UMD.

PP- I would too, to each their own. Case is a very different atmosphere, and my DC at Case did not want the B1G social scene. As proof, DC was not the least bit interested when their sibling, cousin, parents and Aunt/uncle were posting fun pictures in our family group chat the night UMD beat Purdue this season in basketball.

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Anonymous wrote:Case Western is big on yield protection. At my kid's HS they waitlist all the high stats kids. I'd almost want to say that with a 35/36 ACT its better to go test optional.

This admission cycle my NOVA kid chose CS at UMD ($10k merit per year) over Case engineering ($30k) as well as BU ($25k), Lehigh ($30k) WM ($0), Ohio St. ($16.5k), UMN ($25k) and Pitt ($0). Really enjoyed our visit. He was deferred to RD from EA. He was bitter about the deferral. He would have liked to get out of the DMV, but think he made the smart choice.

I agree. CWRU might have been an option for my kid too but the deferral crossed them off.

I don't understand the "deferral crossed them off"? If you kid wanted to go and would have accepted in EA, what was the "better offer" from a RD school that swayed them?
It's not like they were Waitlisted--that I can understand. After May 1 most kids move on

I was the first poster that chose UMD, with my kid it was an ego thing. Thought he was being a bit sensitive. Oh well.

(except nursing obviously because you must start on day 1 to get thru in 4 years).

Isn't that true for engineering as well?

No, it is completely open. You don't have to declare a major till you are a junior and you can choose and do multiple majors in whichever school you want.

That usually happens in a major that is not impacted, which means it's not that popular there. You could not do that in an impacted major.

Take it from an alum and 2 kids at case that is not the case. You can apply as a psychology major and graduate as a chemical engineer or something else. It happens at Case all the time. But they will weed you out if you are not prepared. For example, some may go there to pursue premed but weeded out after struggling with organic chemistry. Same goes for engineering. At the end everyone finds what they are good at and pursue that.

yes, but is chemical engineer an impacted major at Case ? That was the point. Impacted majors don't let you transfer in unless there is room, and you pass the prereqs.

That is not how Case curriculum works. You register for the classes you want. There are requirements for each major and as long as you fulfill them over whatever period you are their you are good. First two years everyone pretty much takes the same classes. There are different level of science and math requirements based on majors. If you want arts and engineering you take sciences and math that are for engineering. It is very flexible. I don't think anyone at case ever heard of anything like impacted major.

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Anonymous wrote:My nephew got into Case but chose the the University of Wisconsin instead. He got in state tuition and just graduated with his Masters in electrical and computer engineering. He liked the Wisconsin campus better.

Very different schools. Kids who pick case are looking for what the PP just stated----smaller, more attention, academic focused vs greek and athletics, ability to pick your major and not have to Apply and compete in the hunger games yet again (college admissions take 2), hospital access (there are 3 within walking distance that the university has great relationships with, etc.

UW is like UMD---huge school, they even let freshman live off campus last year because they over enrolled---Case requires 2 years on campus.

I agree with unbolded part.

Good for you. Seriously, you think UMD/UWMadison provide more attention than Case? It's a fact that you cannot just self select majors at either of those schools, while at Case you can (except nursing--that is direct admit freshman year). It's a fact that the greek system is less dominant at Case than at any Big10 school. Yes there are academic focused kids at both schools, but you will find more with the party mindset at the Big10 school with 30K+ undergrads. All of the bolded is also true. SO it really depends what your kid wants in a school. But go aide, try to get into CS at UMD if you were not directly admitted. I know it is easy to do at Case.

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Anonymous wrote:Case Western is big on yield protection. At my kid's HS they waitlist all the high stats kids. I'd almost want to say that with a 35/36 ACT its better to go test optional.

This admission cycle my NOVA kid chose CS at UMD ($10k merit per year) over Case engineering ($30k) as well as BU ($25k), Lehigh ($30k) WM ($0), Ohio St. ($16.5k), UMN ($25k) and Pitt ($0). Really enjoyed our visit. He was deferred to RD from EA. He was bitter about the deferral. He would have liked to get out of the DMV, but think he made the smart choice.

I agree. CWRU might have been an option for my kid too but the deferral crossed them off.

I don't understand the "deferral crossed them off"? If you kid wanted to go and would have accepted in EA, what was the "better offer" from a RD school that swayed them?
It's not like they were Waitlisted--that I can understand. After May 1 most kids move on

I was the first poster that chose UMD, with my kid it was an ego thing. Thought he was being a bit sensitive. Oh well.

(except nursing obviously because you must start on day 1 to get thru in 4 years).

Isn't that true for engineering as well?

No. You can switch to engineering later, but if not done by end of freshman year it would be difficult to get out in 4 years. It would also be harder if you were not taking Calc/Chem/bio freshman year. But I suspect many who switch to eng/CS are already stem majors so would be taking the basics like that freshman year. You can also take some engineering pre-reqs (calc/sciences/cs) over the summer to stay on track---nursing at case and most schools you literally have to be there fall of freshman year, if you fail classes you can be set back an entire year to get what you need.

Point is my kid at Case can decide to major in CS, BME, or any engineering or other field they want. All it requires is changing their major. No "applying and hoping you get accepted" and needing a 4.0 in classes to get a spot. At the larger schools that is what happens. You cannot just decide to switch majors and always get what you want. Otherwise everyone would apply to UMD as a humanities major and switch after getting accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:Case Western is big on yield protection. At my kid's HS they waitlist all the high stats kids. I'd almost want to say that with a 35/36 ACT its better to go test optional.

This admission cycle my NOVA kid chose CS at UMD ($10k merit per year) over Case engineering ($30k) as well as BU ($25k), Lehigh ($30k) WM ($0), Ohio St. ($16.5k), UMN ($25k) and Pitt ($0). Really enjoyed our visit. He was deferred to RD from EA. He was bitter about the deferral. He would have liked to get out of the DMV, but think he made the smart choice.

I agree. CWRU might have been an option for my kid too but the deferral crossed them off.

I don't understand the "deferral crossed them off"? If you kid wanted to go and would have accepted in EA, what was the "better offer" from a RD school that swayed them?
It's not like they were Waitlisted--that I can understand. After May 1 most kids move on

I was the first poster that chose UMD, with my kid it was an ego thing. Thought he was being a bit sensitive. Oh well.

(except nursing obviously because you must start on day 1 to get thru in 4 years).

Isn't that true for engineering as well?

No, it is completely open. You don't have to declare a major till you are a junior and you can choose and do multiple majors in whichever school you want.

That usually happens in a major that is not impacted, which means it's not that popular there. You could not do that in an impacted major.

Take it from an alum and 2 kids at case that is not the case. You can apply as a psychology major and graduate as a chemical engineer or something else. It happens at Case all the time. But they will weed you out if you are not prepared. For example, some may go there to pursue premed but weeded out after struggling with organic chemistry. Same goes for engineering. At the end everyone finds what they are good at and pursue that.

yes, but is chemical engineer an impacted major at Case ? That was the point. Impacted majors don't let you transfer in unless there is room, and you pass the prereqs.

That is not how Case curriculum works. You register for the classes you want. There are requirements for each major and as long as you fulfill them over whatever period you are their you are good. First two years everyone pretty much takes the same classes. There are different level of science and math requirements based on majors. If you want arts and engineering you take sciences and math that are for engineering. It is very flexible. I don't think anyone at case ever heard of anything like impacted major.

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That is the whole purpose of attending a smaller school. Most admit to the school as a whole. You then pick your path based on your interests. No impacted majors, no playing the hunger games 2.0 to hope you can major in what you desire. People that send their kids to larger school s and have not researched smaller ones are not always aware that impacted majors does NOT have to be a thing. There are great places your kid can actually major in what they desire, and switch if they want to with no impact

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Anonymous wrote:Case Western is big on yield protection. At my kid's HS they waitlist all the high stats kids. I'd almost want to say that with a 35/36 ACT its better to go test optional.

This admission cycle my NOVA kid chose CS at UMD ($10k merit per year) over Case engineering ($30k) as well as BU ($25k), Lehigh ($30k) WM ($0), Ohio St. ($16.5k), UMN ($25k) and Pitt ($0). Really enjoyed our visit. He was deferred to RD from EA. He was bitter about the deferral. He would have liked to get out of the DMV, but think he made the smart choice.

I agree. CWRU might have been an option for my kid too but the deferral crossed them off.

I don't understand the "deferral crossed them off"? If you kid wanted to go and would have accepted in EA, what was the "better offer" from a RD school that swayed them?
It's not like they were Waitlisted--that I can understand. After May 1 most kids move on

I was the first poster that chose UMD, with my kid it was an ego thing. Thought he was being a bit sensitive. Oh well.

(except nursing obviously because you must start on day 1 to get thru in 4 years).

Isn't that true for engineering as well?

No, it is completely open. You don't have to declare a major till you are a junior and you can choose and do multiple majors in whichever school you want.

That usually happens in a major that is not impacted, which means it's not that popular there. You could not do that in an impacted major.

Take it from an alum and 2 kids at case that is not the case. You can apply as a psychology major and graduate as a chemical engineer or something else. It happens at Case all the time. But they will weed you out if you are not prepared. For example, some may go there to pursue premed but weeded out after struggling with organic chemistry. Same goes for engineering. At the end everyone finds what they are good at and pursue that.

yes, but is chemical engineer an impacted major at Case ? That was the point. Impacted majors don't let you transfer in unless there is room, and you pass the prereqs.

That is not how Case curriculum works. You register for the classes you want. There are requirements for each major and as long as you fulfill them over whatever period you are their you are good. First two years everyone pretty much takes the same classes. There are different level of science and math requirements based on majors. If you want arts and engineering you take sciences and math that are for engineering. It is very flexible. I don't think anyone at case ever heard of anything like impacted major.

yes, that is the point. There are no impacted majors at Case, ie, the majors are not as popular such that the program is full.

CS/engineering is impacted at UMDCP because it's a very popular major.

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Anonymous wrote:Case Western is big on yield protection. At my kid's HS they waitlist all the high stats kids. I'd almost want to say that with a 35/36 ACT its better to go test optional.

This admission cycle my NOVA kid chose CS at UMD ($10k merit per year) over Case engineering ($30k) as well as BU ($25k), Lehigh ($30k) WM ($0), Ohio St. ($16.5k), UMN ($25k) and Pitt ($0). Really enjoyed our visit. He was deferred to RD from EA. He was bitter about the deferral. He would have liked to get out of the DMV, but think he made the smart choice.

I agree. CWRU might have been an option for my kid too but the deferral crossed them off.

I don't understand the "deferral crossed them off"? If you kid wanted to go and would have accepted in EA, what was the "better offer" from a RD school that swayed them?
It's not like they were Waitlisted--that I can understand. After May 1 most kids move on

I was the first poster that chose UMD, with my kid it was an ego thing. Thought he was being a bit sensitive. Oh well.

(except nursing obviously because you must start on day 1 to get thru in 4 years).

Isn't that true for engineering as well?

No, it is completely open. You don't have to declare a major till you are a junior and you can choose and do multiple majors in whichever school you want.

That usually happens in a major that is not impacted, which means it's not that popular there. You could not do that in an impacted major.

Take it from an alum and 2 kids at case that is not the case. You can apply as a psychology major and graduate as a chemical engineer or something else. It happens at Case all the time. But they will weed you out if you are not prepared. For example, some may go there to pursue premed but weeded out after struggling with organic chemistry. Same goes for engineering. At the end everyone finds what they are good at and pursue that.

yes, but is chemical engineer an impacted major at Case ? That was the point. Impacted majors don't let you transfer in unless there is room, and you pass the prereqs.

That is not how Case curriculum works. You register for the classes you want. There are requirements for each major and as long as you fulfill them over whatever period you are their you are good. First two years everyone pretty much takes the same classes. There are different level of science and math requirements based on majors. If you want arts and engineering you take sciences and math that are for engineering. It is very flexible. I don't think anyone at case ever heard of anything like impacted major.

yes, that is the point. There are no impacted majors at Case, ie, the majors are not as popular such that the program is full.

CS/engineering is impacted at UMDCP because it's a very popular major.

This makes no sense! Why are you trying to compare what happens at a state school with 40k students with a private with only 6k undergrad and a flexible curriculum? If you are trying to say UMD is better because there is one popular major and there isn't one at Case because majority is not looking to major in one particular topic...then I don't know what is the point. I'd think majority wanting to pursue a single major is indicative more of homogeneity and a lack of interest and diversity than anything else. If anything that should be a negative than a positive aspect ( and I am not saying UMD is a bad pick...it is just a different school with a different makeup and priorities).

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Case is sexier

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Anonymous wrote:Case is sexier

LOL!

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Anonymous wrote:Case Western is big on yield protection. At my kid's HS they waitlist all the high stats kids. I'd almost want to say that with a 35/36 ACT its better to go test optional.

This admission cycle my NOVA kid chose CS at UMD ($10k merit per year) over Case engineering ($30k) as well as BU ($25k), Lehigh ($30k) WM ($0), Ohio St. ($16.5k), UMN ($25k) and Pitt ($0). Really enjoyed our visit. He was deferred to RD from EA. He was bitter about the deferral. He would have liked to get out of the DMV, but think he made the smart choice.

I agree. CWRU might have been an option for my kid too but the deferral crossed them off.

I don't understand the "deferral crossed them off"? If you kid wanted to go and would have accepted in EA, what was the "better offer" from a RD school that swayed them?
It's not like they were Waitlisted--that I can understand. After May 1 most kids move on

I was the first poster that chose UMD, with my kid it was an ego thing. Thought he was being a bit sensitive. Oh well.

(except nursing obviously because you must start on day 1 to get thru in 4 years).

Isn't that true for engineering as well?

No, it is completely open. You don't have to declare a major till you are a junior and you can choose and do multiple majors in whichever school you want.

That usually happens in a major that is not impacted, which means it's not that popular there. You could not do that in an impacted major.

Take it from an alum and 2 kids at case that is not the case. You can apply as a psychology major and graduate as a chemical engineer or something else. It happens at Case all the time. But they will weed you out if you are not prepared. For example, some may go there to pursue premed but weeded out after struggling with organic chemistry. Same goes for engineering. At the end everyone finds what they are good at and pursue that.

yes, but is chemical engineer an impacted major at Case ? That was the point. Impacted majors don't let you transfer in unless there is room, and you pass the prereqs.

That is not how Case curriculum works. You register for the classes you want. There are requirements for each major and as long as you fulfill them over whatever period you are their you are good. First two years everyone pretty much takes the same classes. There are different level of science and math requirements based on majors. If you want arts and engineering you take sciences and math that are for engineering. It is very flexible. I don't think anyone at case ever heard of anything like impacted major.

yes, that is the point. There are no impacted majors at Case, ie, the majors are not as popular such that the program is full.

CS/engineering is impacted at UMDCP because it's a very popular major.

This makes no sense! Why are you trying to compare what happens at a state school with 40k students with a private with only 6k undergrad and a flexible curriculum? If you are trying to say UMD is better because there is one popular major and there isn't one at Case because majority is not looking to major in one particular topic...then I don't know what is the point. I'd think majority wanting to pursue a single major is indicative more of homogeneity and a lack of interest and diversity than anything else. If anything that should be a negative than a positive aspect ( and I am not saying UMD is a bad pick...it is just a different school with a different makeup and priorities).

Engineering is a popular major at UMD because UMD is highly rated for that major.

Case, not as much.

That is the point.

If OP wants a small school and doesn't care about the prestige of the program, then Case makes sense. But, UMD is highly regarded for their engineering program, though it is a very large school. Hence, the LEP.

You can put that chip on your shoulder down now.

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Anonymous wrote:Case Western is big on yield protection. At my kid's HS they waitlist all the high stats kids. I'd almost want to say that with a 35/36 ACT its better to go test optional.

This admission cycle my NOVA kid chose CS at UMD ($10k merit per year) over Case engineering ($30k) as well as BU ($25k), Lehigh ($30k) WM ($0), Ohio St. ($16.5k), UMN ($25k) and Pitt ($0). Really enjoyed our visit. He was deferred to RD from EA. He was bitter about the deferral. He would have liked to get out of the DMV, but think he made the smart choice.

I agree. CWRU might have been an option for my kid too but the deferral crossed them off.

I don't understand the "deferral crossed them off"? If you kid wanted to go and would have accepted in EA, what was the "better offer" from a RD school that swayed them?
It's not like they were Waitlisted--that I can understand. After May 1 most kids move on

I was the first poster that chose UMD, with my kid it was an ego thing. Thought he was being a bit sensitive. Oh well.

(except nursing obviously because you must start on day 1 to get thru in 4 years).

Isn't that true for engineering as well?

No. You can switch to engineering later, but if not done by end of freshman year it would be difficult to get out in 4 years. It would also be harder if you were not taking Calc/Chem/bio freshman year. But I suspect many who switch to eng/CS are already stem majors so would be taking the basics like that freshman year. You can also take some engineering pre-reqs (calc/sciences/cs) over the summer to stay on track---nursing at case and most schools you literally have to be there fall of freshman year, if you fail classes you can be set back an entire year to get what you need.

Point is my kid at Case can decide to major in CS, BME, or any engineering or other field they want. All it requires is changing their major. No "applying and hoping you get accepted" and needing a 4.0 in classes to get a spot. At the larger schools that is what happens. You cannot just decide to switch majors and always get what you want. Otherwise everyone would apply to UMD as a humanities major and switch after getting accepted.

This is why I picked CWRU 20 years ago. I wanted ChemE and I didn’t want to take the chance of not being accepted into the engineering school at the end of my freshman year.

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Anonymous wrote:Case Western is big on yield protection. At my kid's HS they waitlist all the high stats kids. I'd almost want to say that with a 35/36 ACT its better to go test optional.

This admission cycle my NOVA kid chose CS at UMD ($10k merit per year) over Case engineering ($30k) as well as BU ($25k), Lehigh ($30k) WM ($0), Ohio St. ($16.5k), UMN ($25k) and Pitt ($0). Really enjoyed our visit. He was deferred to RD from EA. He was bitter about the deferral. He would have liked to get out of the DMV, but think he made the smart choice.

I agree. CWRU might have been an option for my kid too but the deferral crossed them off.

I don't understand the "deferral crossed them off"? If you kid wanted to go and would have accepted in EA, what was the "better offer" from a RD school that swayed them?
It's not like they were Waitlisted--that I can understand. After May 1 most kids move on

I was the first poster that chose UMD, with my kid it was an ego thing. Thought he was being a bit sensitive. Oh well.

(except nursing obviously because you must start on day 1 to get thru in 4 years).

Isn't that true for engineering as well?

No, it is completely open. You don't have to declare a major till you are a junior and you can choose and do multiple majors in whichever school you want.

That usually happens in a major that is not impacted, which means it's not that popular there. You could not do that in an impacted major.

Do you not get that once you leave huge state schools, largely there are NO IMPACTED MAJORS. THat's why it is one of the HUGE BENEFITS of attending a Case/RPI/WPI/RIT/etc You CAN major in whatever the hell you want. There is no more competition to try and get the major you want, then have to settle for "what has space". Many schools in the 5-10K range have NO IMPACTED MAJORS. Anyone can decide to major in Comp Sci---not just the 1% who were admitted to it.

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Anonymous wrote:Case Western is big on yield protection. At my kid's HS they waitlist all the high stats kids. I'd almost want to say that with a 35/36 ACT its better to go test optional.

This admission cycle my NOVA kid chose CS at UMD ($10k merit per year) over Case engineering ($30k) as well as BU ($25k), Lehigh ($30k) WM ($0), Ohio St. ($16.5k), UMN ($25k) and Pitt ($0). Really enjoyed our visit. He was deferred to RD from EA. He was bitter about the deferral. He would have liked to get out of the DMV, but think he made the smart choice.

I agree. CWRU might have been an option for my kid too but the deferral crossed them off.

I don't understand the "deferral crossed them off"? If you kid wanted to go and would have accepted in EA, what was the "better offer" from a RD school that swayed them?
It's not like they were Waitlisted--that I can understand. After May 1 most kids move on

I was the first poster that chose UMD, with my kid it was an ego thing. Thought he was being a bit sensitive. Oh well.

(except nursing obviously because you must start on day 1 to get thru in 4 years).

Isn't that true for engineering as well?

No, it is completely open. You don't have to declare a major till you are a junior and you can choose and do multiple majors in whichever school you want.

That usually happens in a major that is not impacted, which means it's not that popular there. You could not do that in an impacted major.

Take it from an alum and 2 kids at case that is not the case. You can apply as a psychology major and graduate as a chemical engineer or something else. It happens at Case all the time. But they will weed you out if you are not prepared. For example, some may go there to pursue premed but weeded out after struggling with organic chemistry. Same goes for engineering. At the end everyone finds what they are good at and pursue that.

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These people seem to only have knowledge of how large state schools function, where most highly sought after majors are impacted.
THat's the beauty of Case and many of their peers---NO IMPACTED majors.

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Anonymous wrote:Case Western is big on yield protection. At my kid's HS they waitlist all the high stats kids. I'd almost want to say that with a 35/36 ACT its better to go test optional.

Ditto at our high school. It was off-putting to my high stats kid. If Case had offered huge merit, my kid might have gone there, but my kid just rejected the wait list, so we'll never know.

Same, just a huge turnoff. Mine got an offer of merit from the waitlist but then rejected the waitlist on their first silly weekly check-in. I'd be wary of sending my kid to a place that is so into rankings that they across the board accept lower stats kids. Before anyone makes an accusation of sour grapes, someone posted data on this from a HS in California at some point.

They don't "across the board accept lower stats kids". They do what all schools do---they attempt to determine who will actually attend if given an offer of admission. Fact is many kids with a 35/36 ACT and 1550+ SAT are also applying to T20 schools---so if Case thinks they will get into one of those, then they might not offer a spot unless you have shown huge demonstrated interest. It's what all school in the 25-50 range do. Their goal is to fill their class and calculate yield, not offer spots to kids who want to go elsewhere and will likely get in elsewhere.

That's all rather shady, yes? Other than visiting (privilege) you are at their mercy on how they track DI. Given the demand for T20 schools it's bold to assume these kids are getting in there either.

If they offer admission to everyone who applies with the 1550+/3.9+UW and 90 % of those kids do not accept, then case has missed out on offering admission to those kids who actually WANT to attend (say in the 1400-1450 range). Because those kids will get admitted elsewhere and get excited about their other schools, accept one by May 1 and move on. So how is it Shady to want to select the students who will actually attend? It's not Shady. That's exactly what college admissions is. It's even done a bit at the T25 level---as in, someone who applies to all 8 Ivies likely has no interest in over half of them. They are all very different schools and someone with Harvard as a best fit is not likely to think Cornell is also a best fit (don't know all the comparisions---my kids were not into ivies). So even a 1600/4.0UW and perfect resume kid has to show why Harvard is for them---if Harvard isn't feeling like they are really the best choice, they will assume the kid is gonna attend another Ivy/T25 and they might WL them or reject them.
It's quite simple that many in the 25-50 range know they are "2nd/3rd/4th/5th choices" for many top students. So they attempt to determine who is a 1st/2nd choice and offer them admission. Their goal is to fill their class by May 1, not need to go to the WL for 50%+ of their class. Case will even offer EA students a chance to change to ED2, and give them they financials and merit first. So if your Tippy Top student really wants case, they can demonstrate that by switching to ED2 and get their acceptance. Otherwise, they get deferred to RD and likely rejected or WL because the school is 99% certain they are not going to attend.

You just want to have all the options to reject 15 schools yourself. But the school's goal is to garner a certain yield. So you both want to play games---it's called the college admission process.

They are guessing who wants to attend. If they really want to know who is interested they should have a why us essay.

Even then, they are still guessing. Most kids with a 1400+ and 3.9UW can manage to "fake it until you make it" and write an amazing "why us essay". Fact is they will still be a target/safety for many kids who are hoping for a T25 school to accept them first.