Companies are on the war path against remote work

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m going to RTO, I refuse to do anything after hours from home, either. If I’m not allowed to WFH, that means I’m not required to.

Does this apply only if you are required to go in five days a week? What if it is 2? or3?

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On any of the days I’m required to go in. It’s basic logic. If WFH is bad, then it’s bad & I shouldn’t do it.

If your employer is allowing you to do both WFH and work onsite, how are they saying either is bad?

So if you go into the office on a Monday, you shut it down completely after 8 hours, but if you WFH on Tuesday you'll put in some extra hours in the evening? Just trying to see how this plays out in practice....

Correct.

And if I’m RTO 5 days a week, I won’t put in any extra hours whatsoever.

Got it. Sounds like a reasonable plan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m going to RTO, I refuse to do anything after hours from home, either. If I’m not allowed to WFH, that means I’m not required to.

Does this apply only if you are required to go in five days a week? What if it is 2? or3?

m

On any of the days I’m required to go in. It’s basic logic. If WFH is bad, then it’s bad & I shouldn’t do it.

If your employer is allowing you to do both WFH and work onsite, how are they saying either is bad?

So if you go into the office on a Monday, you shut it down completely after 8 hours, but if you WFH on Tuesday you'll put in some extra hours in the evening? Just trying to see how this plays out in practice....

Not that poster, but yes - that’s basically what I do. Each day my hours are roughly the same - up at 6:00 and turning my attention to family/other commitments at 5:00. On days I go into the office I spend about 1.5 hours of that time commuting. that’s twice a week now, but there are rumblings of requiring 3 or 4. So the org is saying he’d rather not get those extra hours from me so that they see my face.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I’m going to RTO, I refuse to do anything after hours from home, either. If I’m not allowed to WFH, that means I’m not required to.

Does this apply only if you are required to go in five days a week? What if it is 2? or3?

m

On any of the days I’m required to go in. It’s basic logic. If WFH is bad, then it’s bad & I shouldn’t do it.

If your employer is allowing you to do both WFH and work onsite, how are they saying either is bad?

So if you go into the office on a Monday, you shut it down completely after 8 hours, but if you WFH on Tuesday you'll put in some extra hours in the evening? Just trying to see how this plays out in practice....

Not that poster, but yes - that’s basically what I do. Each day my hours are roughly the same - up at 6:00 and turning my attention to family/other commitments at 5:00. On days I go into the office I spend about 1.5 hours of that time commuting. that’s twice a week now, but there are rumblings of requiring 3 or 4. So the org is saying he’d rather not get those extra hours from me so that they see my face.

PP asking the questions, and I am sincere when I say this approach makes sense. I also think that organizations are well aware that is the trade-off they are making in many cases...and are indeed OK with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My circle of friends are still fully remote or hybrid… I don’t know anyone going in four or five days a week.

I will never go back to a job that requires more than probably once a week in the office… But I am late 40s making really good money and my skills lend themselves really well to remote work, I do a lot of data analysis and writing. If something happens to this job, I will probably spend the rest of my career just consulting on my own.

My (tech) company has a fully remote option, teams get together in person regularly but not weekly. There are some folks that like coming into the office a few days a week and for them, they do catered lunch and things, but we gave up a bunch of our space and we can figure the office mostly for meeting in groups.

The office concept will never go away, but I think you are delusional If you don’t see that it is revolutionizing, and it’s never going to go back to the way it was. The world has just changed too much.

Same except I do program management. I don’t know anyone in my circle who goes in more than a couple times a week. I will never RTO. But I’m much closer to the end of my career than the beginning.

[Anonymous]

I’m for the corporates here. Workers have become entitled. Look at the pay, benefits, and severance packages of employees recently dumped by FANG companies. These workers were waayyy overpaid and sometimes doing nothing, and then they complained about being let go. What gives! Corporations are not welfare. What I hear from the non-RTO crowd is an acknowledgment that their situation is too good to be true but they want to milk it for as long as they can. So, they protest wildly, oftentimes wrapping themselves in the flag of community, home, and the environment. Underneath though, they know that their argument, and even their self, is a sham.

[Anonymous]

The world has changed.

More and more corporate leases are coming up for renewal and companies will continue to shrink their office footprint.

Another positive jobs report came out this morning.

Covid and technology disrupted how office workers work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m for the corporates here. Workers have become entitled. Look at the pay, benefits, and severance packages of employees recently dumped by FANG companies. These workers were waayyy overpaid and sometimes doing nothing, and then they complained about being let go. What gives! Corporations are not welfare. What I hear from the non-RTO crowd is an acknowledgment that their situation is too good to be true but they want to milk it for as long as they can. So, they protest wildly, oftentimes wrapping themselves in the flag of community, home, and the environment. Underneath though, they know that their argument, and even their self, is a sham.

Surely you realize that 99% of corporate jobs are a sham, right?

[Anonymous]

I am back in office five days a week. You can’t run out the door at end of hours with in person. The CEO, CFO, CIO, Sr Mgr, controller, HR are in person and often there early or late.

So my new schedule is leave for work 745 am get home 6:30 pm five days a week.

The last people home are slowly realizing unless you are over 63 the game will end in 1-3 years and will get let go perhaps in next recession.

At my job it is moms with young kids, people goofing off, folks near retirement pushing Back

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m for the corporates here. Workers have become entitled. Look at the pay, benefits, and severance packages of employees recently dumped by FANG companies. These workers were waayyy overpaid and sometimes doing nothing, and then they complained about being let go. What gives! Corporations are not welfare. What I hear from the non-RTO crowd is an acknowledgment that their situation is too good to be true but they want to milk it for as long as they can. So, they protest wildly, oftentimes wrapping themselves in the flag of community, home, and the environment. Underneath though, they know that their argument, and even their self, is a sham.

Surely you realize that 99% of corporate jobs are a sham, right?

You are delusional. If most jobs were a sham, the economy would produce nothing. The products and services you use everyday are the proof that there is something very wrong with you and your ilk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m for the corporates here. Workers have become entitled. Look at the pay, benefits, and severance packages of employees recently dumped by FANG companies. These workers were waayyy overpaid and sometimes doing nothing, and then they complained about being let go. What gives! Corporations are not welfare. What I hear from the non-RTO crowd is an acknowledgment that their situation is too good to be true but they want to milk it for as long as they can. So, they protest wildly, oftentimes wrapping themselves in the flag of community, home, and the environment. Underneath though, they know that their argument, and even their self, is a sham.

Surely you realize that 99% of corporate jobs are a sham, right?

You are delusional. If most jobs were a sham, the economy would produce nothing. The products and services you use everyday are the proof that there is something very wrong with you and your ilk.

I’m exaggerating with the 99%. I’d go with 50%.

Sorry but a large portion of OFFICE jobs are completely unnecessary. Read the book titled “Bullsh*t jobs”

Manufacturing and real in-person jobs like doctors, surgeons, nurses, police officers etc are actually necessary. Most of the people working for tech companies, large corporations could not show up to work ever again and you’d likely never notice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m for the corporates here. Workers have become entitled. Look at the pay, benefits, and severance packages of employees recently dumped by FANG companies. These workers were waayyy overpaid and sometimes doing nothing, and then they complained about being let go. What gives! Corporations are not welfare. What I hear from the non-RTO crowd is an acknowledgment that their situation is too good to be true but they want to milk it for as long as they can. So, they protest wildly, oftentimes wrapping themselves in the flag of community, home, and the environment. Underneath though, they know that their argument, and even their self, is a sham.

Surely you realize that 99% of corporate jobs are a sham, right?

You are delusional. If most jobs were a sham, the economy would produce nothing. The products and services you use everyday are the proof that there is something very wrong with you and your ilk.

I’m exaggerating with the 99%. I’d go with 50%.

Sorry but a large portion of OFFICE jobs are completely unnecessary. Read the book titled “Bullsh*t jobs”

Manufacturing and real in-person jobs like doctors, surgeons, nurses, police officers etc are actually necessary. Most of the people working for tech companies, large corporations could not show up to work ever again and you’d likely never notice.

If you feel that way, you should relinquish your job to someone who better appreciates a paycheck. Again, I find it ironic that someone who has a “bullsh*t” job would blame their employer for hiring them and asking just a bit of cooperation from them. To be clear, you want to have your cake and to eat it too: my job is a scam; now pay me well and let me do nothing from home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cities threatening to get rid of tax breaks for companies if they don’t RTO, because apparently small businesses are suffering, downtowns are becoming ghost towns, CRE values are plummeting & public transportation is being crime-filled due to normies no longer taking it.

Honestly, I am sick and tired if the FT WFH evangelists acting like these are not valid concerns. They are. Acting as if they are not is making the RTO worse. If you’re unwilling to meet halfway with hybrid, they’ll just make everyone come in all the time. The war path is over. People go back now.

Not true. There are still companies and jobs that ate fully remote. They will be more desirable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m for the corporates here. Workers have become entitled. Look at the pay, benefits, and severance packages of employees recently dumped by FANG companies. These workers were waayyy overpaid and sometimes doing nothing, and then they complained about being let go. What gives! Corporations are not welfare. What I hear from the non-RTO crowd is an acknowledgment that their situation is too good to be true but they want to milk it for as long as they can. So, they protest wildly, oftentimes wrapping themselves in the flag of community, home, and the environment. Underneath though, they know that their argument, and even their self, is a sham.

Surely you realize that 99% of corporate jobs are a sham, right?

You are delusional. If most jobs were a sham, the economy would produce nothing. The products and services you use everyday are the proof that there is something very wrong with you and your ilk.

I’m exaggerating with the 99%. I’d go with 50%.

Sorry but a large portion of OFFICE jobs are completely unnecessary. Read the book titled “Bullsh*t jobs”

Manufacturing and real in-person jobs like doctors, surgeons, nurses, police officers etc are actually necessary. Most of the people working for tech companies, large corporations could not show up to work ever again and you’d likely never notice.

If you feel that way, you should relinquish your job to someone who better appreciates a paycheck. Again, I find it ironic that someone who has a “bullsh*t” job would blame their employer for hiring them and asking just a bit of cooperation from them. To be clear, you want to have your cake and to eat it too: my job is a scam; now pay me well and let me do nothing from home.

I don’t think those jobs are BS at all but there is no need for them to be in-person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m for the corporates here. Workers have become entitled. Look at the pay, benefits, and severance packages of employees recently dumped by FANG companies. These workers were waayyy overpaid and sometimes doing nothing, and then they complained about being let go. What gives! Corporations are not welfare. What I hear from the non-RTO crowd is an acknowledgment that their situation is too good to be true but they want to milk it for as long as they can. So, they protest wildly, oftentimes wrapping themselves in the flag of community, home, and the environment. Underneath though, they know that their argument, and even their self, is a sham.

You sound so jealous and bitter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cities threatening to get rid of tax breaks for companies if they don’t RTO, because apparently small businesses are suffering, downtowns are becoming ghost towns, CRE values are plummeting & public transportation is being crime-filled due to normies no longer taking it.

Honestly, I am sick and tired if the FT WFH evangelists acting like these are not valid concerns. They are. Acting as if they are not is making the RTO worse. If you’re unwilling to meet halfway with hybrid, they’ll just make everyone come in all the time. The war path is over. People go back now.

Not true. There are still companies and jobs that ate fully remote. They will be more desirable.

Yup. I'm a fed who goes into the office once a week. The new OMB memo has me throwing in an application for every remote job I'm remotely qualified for, just in case they order us back 3-5 days. I'm also starting to look for non-fed jobs closer to home for the first time in years. I'm not eager to leave, I am invested in the program I manage and had planned to stay in this job a couple more years and the government for the rest of my career, but the 2.5-3 hours of commuting a day is just a deal breaker.