Why so much anger towards people on welfare?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in the Midwest in the 1970s, in the urban core. My mother was a SAHM. My father was self-employed. They struggled to make ends meet. When we went to the grocery store, my mother would sometimes comment after we left, how full the grocery carts would be of the people using food stamps (no EBT card at the time). And how they usually bought junk my mother couldn't afford to buy. And they had more children, sometimes in diapers and no shoes. And they would buy cigarettes. I think the buying of the cigarettes was the kicker. LoL. Lots of judgment.

Actually her personal judgment and behavior seems pretty good.

I agree actually. We should be providing people with enough food to eat but not junk food or cigarettes.

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure why everyone always acts like no one is abusing welfare. It has a lot of bad secondary effects, like creating a disincentive to get married.

Polygamists have multiple wives and dozens of children, but the state only recognizes one marriage. That leaves the rest of the wives to claim themselves as single moms with armies of children to support. Doing that means they can apply for welfare, which they do. And it's all legal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The cashier at Target basically told the customer in front of me, my register doesn’t not accept welfare money loudly.
It’s not the first time cashiers have try to embarrass people out loud.

Because Ronald Reagan, hateful bigot extraordinaire, normalized it in the 80's. And it stuck.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Americans take pride in you building oneself up while standing on the backs of others. Look at how we treat our elderly, how we treat those with disabilities, those living in poverty, etc..

Ah, yes, the United States is the only country the experiences this phenomenon.

PP didn't say the only. But, the US does excel at it. And that is not something to be proud of. So you can shove that eyeroll where the sun doesn't shine.

[Anonymous]

Most of DCUM gets middle class welfare in the form of the mortgage interest deduction and lower long-term capital gains rates. Even if you’re hit by the AMT, you still get lots of tax breaks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one hates poor people.

But, I do judge. I have a sister who is a partial quadriplegic. That means she has no use at all of her legs, and only partial use of her arms.

She can't get out of bed to get a drink of water. It's a huge effort.

But, she worked and supported herself throughout her life. She was never on any kind of public assistance. She's retired now and lives off her savings and social security.

In the past this would be a motivating story. Today, I would hope that someone in this position would be able to receive some type of benefits, at least something like free public transportation, help from non profits, like meals on wheels.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Working class who are just barely making ends meet (but without assistance) are the most bitter toward welfare. I was raised by parents like this. So much disdain for welfare because they worked very hard are still only had barely enough for the same existence. Back when grocery stores started allowing credit cards in my childhood, my mom totally judged those people and told me that anyone who used a CC couldn’t afford their groceries. It’s funny how the world has changed.

This is still very true. People ranting about billionaires are missing the point. We have the working working classes who are doing what they have always been told: work hard, keep your head down, get on with life, and find themselves just barely making ends meet and always struggling with rising costs of living, and they see all around them the non working people who get various forms of welfare, vouchers or disability, and who work minimal hours and seem to end up in the same place as they do despite working much harder and trying to do the right thing. There's plenty of abuse of disability payments. If you're a progressive affluent person living in Bethesda, you have preciously little idea what really goes on in working class areas. There's a reason why we have both the lowest unemployment in modern history AND the lowest rate of participation in the labor force.

Then we do have frustrations with that many people on welfare seem to repeatedly make the same mistakes over and over again that perpetually keeps them on assistance.

What is the reason we have both the lowest unemployment in modern history and the lowest rate of participation in the labor force?

Personally, as a person who finds fulfillment in working and who would HATE to be on the government dole, I would prefer it if MORE people would exit the workforce for something, anything like welfare. There are so many people with total BS jobs collecting a paycheck.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yep pp hit it on the nose. The cashier is mad because they are a cashier and needs to lord it over someone.

At least the cashier is working and doing a job.

I'm not saying OP could be working but uses welfare as an excuse to not work, but there are absolutely many many people who are capable of working, but would rather be paid (via welfare) to not work.

There are of course some people who legitimately cannot work and need welfare.

Literally no one is using “welfare” as an excuse not to work; cash welfare almost does not exist in the US anymore. Clinton (and everyone else involved) is going to burn in Hell for what he did to people via this.

Yes cash welfare better know as TNAF - now had a limit of 5 years total over a persons lifetime. Then they will begin to receive social security/ disability payments.

Except in DC. Because DC abolished the limit on years. “Discontinuing Time Limits – families can now receive benefits beyond the federal 60-month lifetime limit” . So yes in DC one can still get cash welfare benefits for a lifetime.

I am always amazed at the number of people who aren’t aware of this. Why do you think poor people continue to live in Dc? Did you think it was for the violence and crappy apartments?

https://dhs.dc.gov/service/tanf-district-families

How much do you think that is in total? Try to live on $2-3k a month and tell me how not working makes it easier? You really would not take benefits just to make sure no one else could. Also, see state of Utah and their percentage of people living on assistance...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yep pp hit it on the nose. The cashier is mad because they are a cashier and needs to lord it over someone.

At least the cashier is working and doing a job.

I'm not saying OP could be working but uses welfare as an excuse to not work, but there are absolutely many many people who are capable of working, but would rather be paid (via welfare) to not work.

There are of course some people who legitimately cannot work and need welfare.

Why do you think working is a virtue? Serious question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure why everyone always acts like no one is abusing welfare. It has a lot of bad secondary effects, like creating a disincentive to get married.

Polygamists have multiple wives and dozens of children, but the state only recognizes one marriage. That leaves the rest of the wives to claim themselves as single moms with armies of children to support. Doing that means they can apply for welfare, which they do. And it's all legal.

my god. shut up. WHO CARES?!?! The welfare queen is a myth.

And even if they are it's a not much money to be outraged about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of DCUM gets middle class welfare in the form of the mortgage interest deduction and lower long-term capital gains rates. Even if you’re hit by the AMT, you still get lots of tax breaks.

Most of this was done away with now that nearly everyone files standard deduction.

[Anonymous]

My neighbors get SNAP benefits. I know this because I have gotten their mail about it multiple times. They also drive multiple Mercedes, no one goes to work, everyone has enough money for constant pot and they get Door Dash several times a week.

It's hard not to judge when you see things like that, but I try to give them some grace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure why everyone always acts like no one is abusing welfare. It has a lot of bad secondary effects, like creating a disincentive to get married.

Polygamists have multiple wives and dozens of children, but the state only recognizes one marriage. That leaves the rest of the wives to claim themselves as single moms with armies of children to support. Doing that means they can apply for welfare, which they do. And it's all legal.

Is this mostly in Utah? Idaho?

[Anonymous]

During COVID, I started to watch court case streamings, including child support/custody disputes. It was UNBELIEVABLE how many able-bodies adults could find any excuse in the book not to work (and thus not have to pay child support).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of DCUM gets middle class welfare in the form of the mortgage interest deduction and lower long-term capital gains rates. Even if you’re hit by the AMT, you still get lots of tax breaks.

40% or Americans pay no federal income tax at all. And it’s not the middle class. So please GTFO with that.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/howardgleckman/2022/10/27/the-number-of-those-who-dont-pay-federal-income-tax-drops-to-pre-pandemic-levels/