VOLLEYBALL CLUBS CHECK IN: How's your spring season going with your kid's club?

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Anonymous wrote:Paramount 18s finished 5th place overall in the 18 Open Division of USAV GJNC (Nationals), which apparently is the best overall finish in CHRVA history for an 18s team in the Open Division of USAV GJNC (per PrepDig article). Virtually unheard of for a CHRVA team to finish as a top 5 team in the nation.

That’s great… and thankfully coach nick was saved from having a heart attack. I can only imagine the stress and pressure that was put on those girls by him. They may have excelled but the cost of their emotional well being paid a high high price.

Mental health is SO important. This type of coaching is not just occurring at Paramount. I know of a girl from Metro that quite after a season with the 16 Travel coach and there were multiple players that left last year's 16 Travel team. In addition, emotional damage is also occurring at less competitive clubs, maybe not from coach yelling which is very visible but from coaches that don't communicate with players, promising playtime or playing favorites to players.

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Anonymous wrote:Paramount 18s finished 5th place overall in the 18 Open Division of USAV GJNC (Nationals), which apparently is the best overall finish in CHRVA history for an 18s team in the Open Division of USAV GJNC (per PrepDig article). Virtually unheard of for a CHRVA team to finish as a top 5 team in the nation.

But yet they can’t beat Metro. Got to love a good draw

This is the issue with Metro parents. They are so selfish and territorial that they can't appreciate a historic achievement by another CHRVA team that only serves to elevate the game in our area. Successes like this make it better for all the athletes in the CHRVA Region, as the CHRVA Region is trying to play catch up to the other better volleyball regions. This kind of success is unheard of and should be celebrate by all, regardless of club affiliation. The more teams the CHRVA region can send to Nationals, the better. The more success CHRVA region teams have on the biggest stage, the more opportunities open up for all CHRVA athletes. MVSA gets this, MDJrs gets this. I wish the big dog clubs in our area (namely Metro and Paramount) would understand this and celebrate each other's successes more.

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Regions from TX, FL, No/So CA all have MANY very competitive clubs. Not just one or two. Yes, there are some more dominant clubs but the Tour of Tx tournament early in the season really get all the teams primed for national competition. When CHRVA only has Metro (and they stack 15 girls on a team and only play 7-8 of them), it does not advance volleyball in this region. Our local CHRVA Open tournaments are not really that competitive because it is always won by Metro or Paramount. Having Paramount become another competitive club is just a start. We need more clubs to all start getting bids (like Blue Ridge, MD Jrs, VA Jrs, CVA) to nationals thus give players multiple options for competitive clubs. Right now, the power is in the clubs because they know high level play is only seen at a few clubs so they can carry 15 players. Compare this to TX clubs, they cannot get away with having 15 players ($$$) because the players will just go to another club to train and get playtime. TX teams only carry 10-11 players. Even Premier Nebraska had 2 players hurt and had to pull up 2 younger players for 18's national - having a total of 9 players!

This is my biggest gripe with Metro. It’s so selfish. They would recruit better players away from their club and then just have them on the sidelines? Why? How does this help the sport develop?

Seen very good players get attracted to play for Metro and don't really improve or develop. Unless your DD go to Metro and get decent amount of playtime (not just a serve or two here and there), your DD will not get developed. Yes, playtime has to be earned. However, if you are not playing much with all the $$$ you pay for club, might as well go to a less competitive club to grow and improve. Metro is always recruiting hitters so if you get better at another club, then Metro will want you back. Find the best fit for your DD, don't just decide on the club based on wins......most of our DDs will not play in college (5.9% of all high school aged volleyball players play in college; 1.2% play D1).

Metro and Paramount are separating themselves from the rest of the pack. In my opinion, Metro have the best athletes but Paramount have probably the best coaching on the East Coast. With regard to the 18s, there is probably not one Paramount player that would be a starter at Metro. So to achieve 5th in the nation, is a testimony to very good players with outstanding coaching.

Paramount couching is not the best on the east coast- that is absolutely false. They coach by fear and intimidation, not by teaching skills, building confidence, encouraging taking risks. IF fear and intimidation is how you categorize "best coach" i encourage you to revaluate and even look at professional coaches and how they get the best out of their players.

I guess a team can finish 5th in the nation in 18 Open by playing scared, intimidated, without being taught skills, without having confidence, and without taking risks! Makes so much sense, right?!

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Anonymous wrote:Paramount 18s finished 5th place overall in the 18 Open Division of USAV GJNC (Nationals), which apparently is the best overall finish in CHRVA history for an 18s team in the Open Division of USAV GJNC (per PrepDig article). Virtually unheard of for a CHRVA team to finish as a top 5 team in the nation.

But yet they can’t beat Metro. Got to love a good draw

This is the issue with Metro parents. They are so selfish and territorial that they can't appreciate a historic achievement by another CHRVA team that only serves to elevate the game in our area. Successes like this make it better for all the athletes in the CHRVA Region, as the CHRVA Region is trying to play catch up to the other better volleyball regions. This kind of success is unheard of and should be celebrate by all, regardless of club affiliation. The more teams the CHRVA region can send to Nationals, the better. The more success CHRVA region teams have on the biggest stage, the more opportunities open up for all CHRVA athletes. MVSA gets this, MDJrs gets this. I wish the big dog clubs in our area (namely Metro and Paramount) would understand this and celebrate each other's successes more.

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Regions from TX, FL, No/So CA all have MANY very competitive clubs. Not just one or two. Yes, there are some more dominant clubs but the Tour of Tx tournament early in the season really get all the teams primed for national competition. When CHRVA only has Metro (and they stack 15 girls on a team and only play 7-8 of them), it does not advance volleyball in this region. Our local CHRVA Open tournaments are not really that competitive because it is always won by Metro or Paramount. Having Paramount become another competitive club is just a start. We need more clubs to all start getting bids (like Blue Ridge, MD Jrs, VA Jrs, CVA) to nationals thus give players multiple options for competitive clubs. Right now, the power is in the clubs because they know high level play is only seen at a few clubs so they can carry 15 players. Compare this to TX clubs, they cannot get away with having 15 players ($$$) because the players will just go to another club to train and get playtime. TX teams only carry 10-11 players. Even Premier Nebraska had 2 players hurt and had to pull up 2 younger players for 18's national - having a total of 9 players!

This is my biggest gripe with Metro. It’s so selfish. They would recruit better players away from their club and then just have them on the sidelines? Why? How does this help the sport develop?

Seen very good players get attracted to play for Metro and don't really improve or develop. Unless your DD go to Metro and get decent amount of playtime (not just a serve or two here and there), your DD will not get developed. Yes, playtime has to be earned. However, if you are not playing much with all the $$$ you pay for club, might as well go to a less competitive club to grow and improve. Metro is always recruiting hitters so if you get better at another club, then Metro will want you back. Find the best fit for your DD, don't just decide on the club based on wins......most of our DDs will not play in college (5.9% of all high school aged volleyball players play in college; 1.2% play D1).

Metro and Paramount are separating themselves from the rest of the pack. In my opinion, Metro have the best athletes but Paramount have probably the best coaching on the East Coast. With regard to the 18s, there is probably not one Paramount player that would be a starter at Metro. So to achieve 5th in the nation, is a testimony to very good players with outstanding coaching.

Paramount couching is not the best on the east coast- that is absolutely false. They coach by fear and intimidation, not by teaching skills, building confidence, encouraging taking risks. IF fear and intimidation is how you categorize "best coach" i encourage you to revaluate and even look at professional coaches and how they get the best out of their players.

I guess a team can finish 5th in the nation in 18 Open by playing scared, intimidated, without being taught skills, without having confidence, and without taking risks! Makes so much sense, right?!

I would think if a team overachieved what is expected of them based on physical attributes of the players (look at where the Paramount players are committed to compare to some of the teams they beat with BIG10, SEC, ACC commits) - then you have to give some props to the coaching (also the players working hard and parents paying for extra private lessons......).

If a team underachieved (Metro with BIG10, ACC, Big West.....commits), you have to blame some of that on the coaching (maybe playing scared, intimidated.......)

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I didn’t know they hand out rings for finishing 5-8. Congrats on the participation trophy.

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Anonymous wrote:Paramount 18s finished 5th place overall in the 18 Open Division of USAV GJNC (Nationals), which apparently is the best overall finish in CHRVA history for an 18s team in the Open Division of USAV GJNC (per PrepDig article). Virtually unheard of for a CHRVA team to finish as a top 5 team in the nation.

But yet they can’t beat Metro. Got to love a good draw

This is the issue with Metro parents. They are so selfish and territorial that they can't appreciate a historic achievement by another CHRVA team that only serves to elevate the game in our area. Successes like this make it better for all the athletes in the CHRVA Region, as the CHRVA Region is trying to play catch up to the other better volleyball regions. This kind of success is unheard of and should be celebrate by all, regardless of club affiliation. The more teams the CHRVA region can send to Nationals, the better. The more success CHRVA region teams have on the biggest stage, the more opportunities open up for all CHRVA athletes. MVSA gets this, MDJrs gets this. I wish the big dog clubs in our area (namely Metro and Paramount) would understand this and celebrate each other's successes more.

1000%

Regions from TX, FL, No/So CA all have MANY very competitive clubs. Not just one or two. Yes, there are some more dominant clubs but the Tour of Tx tournament early in the season really get all the teams primed for national competition. When CHRVA only has Metro (and they stack 15 girls on a team and only play 7-8 of them), it does not advance volleyball in this region. Our local CHRVA Open tournaments are not really that competitive because it is always won by Metro or Paramount. Having Paramount become another competitive club is just a start. We need more clubs to all start getting bids (like Blue Ridge, MD Jrs, VA Jrs, CVA) to nationals thus give players multiple options for competitive clubs. Right now, the power is in the clubs because they know high level play is only seen at a few clubs so they can carry 15 players. Compare this to TX clubs, they cannot get away with having 15 players ($$$) because the players will just go to another club to train and get playtime. TX teams only carry 10-11 players. Even Premier Nebraska had 2 players hurt and had to pull up 2 younger players for 18's national - having a total of 9 players!

This is my biggest gripe with Metro. It’s so selfish. They would recruit better players away from their club and then just have them on the sidelines? Why? How does this help the sport develop?

Seen very good players get attracted to play for Metro and don't really improve or develop. Unless your DD go to Metro and get decent amount of playtime (not just a serve or two here and there), your DD will not get developed. Yes, playtime has to be earned. However, if you are not playing much with all the $$$ you pay for club, might as well go to a less competitive club to grow and improve. Metro is always recruiting hitters so if you get better at another club, then Metro will want you back. Find the best fit for your DD, don't just decide on the club based on wins......most of our DDs will not play in college (5.9% of all high school aged volleyball players play in college; 1.2% play D1).

Metro and Paramount are separating themselves from the rest of the pack. In my opinion, Metro have the best athletes but Paramount have probably the best coaching on the East Coast. With regard to the 18s, there is probably not one Paramount player that would be a starter at Metro. So to achieve 5th in the nation, is a testimony to very good players with outstanding coaching.

Paramount couching is not the best on the east coast- that is absolutely false. They coach by fear and intimidation, not by teaching skills, building confidence, encouraging taking risks. IF fear and intimidation is how you categorize "best coach" i encourage you to revaluate and even look at professional coaches and how they get the best out of their players.

I guess a team can finish 5th in the nation in 18 Open by playing scared, intimidated, without being taught skills, without having confidence, and without taking risks! Makes so much sense, right?!

There are plenty of examples of athletes that still perform at a high level despite mental abuse and even physical abuse- (women's gymnastics). So yes, there is plenty of high pressure, yelling, and emotional sacrifice that is happening on Paramount that isn't happening at other clubs. Sure, winning is great, but what's the cost when playing for Paramount.

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Anonymous wrote:Paramount 18s finished 5th place overall in the 18 Open Division of USAV GJNC (Nationals), which apparently is the best overall finish in CHRVA history for an 18s team in the Open Division of USAV GJNC (per PrepDig article). Virtually unheard of for a CHRVA team to finish as a top 5 team in the nation.

But yet they can’t beat Metro. Got to love a good draw

This is the issue with Metro parents. They are so selfish and territorial that they can't appreciate a historic achievement by another CHRVA team that only serves to elevate the game in our area. Successes like this make it better for all the athletes in the CHRVA Region, as the CHRVA Region is trying to play catch up to the other better volleyball regions. This kind of success is unheard of and should be celebrate by all, regardless of club affiliation. The more teams the CHRVA region can send to Nationals, the better. The more success CHRVA region teams have on the biggest stage, the more opportunities open up for all CHRVA athletes. MVSA gets this, MDJrs gets this. I wish the big dog clubs in our area (namely Metro and Paramount) would understand this and celebrate each other's successes more.

1000%

Regions from TX, FL, No/So CA all have MANY very competitive clubs. Not just one or two. Yes, there are some more dominant clubs but the Tour of Tx tournament early in the season really get all the teams primed for national competition. When CHRVA only has Metro (and they stack 15 girls on a team and only play 7-8 of them), it does not advance volleyball in this region. Our local CHRVA Open tournaments are not really that competitive because it is always won by Metro or Paramount. Having Paramount become another competitive club is just a start. We need more clubs to all start getting bids (like Blue Ridge, MD Jrs, VA Jrs, CVA) to nationals thus give players multiple options for competitive clubs. Right now, the power is in the clubs because they know high level play is only seen at a few clubs so they can carry 15 players. Compare this to TX clubs, they cannot get away with having 15 players ($$$) because the players will just go to another club to train and get playtime. TX teams only carry 10-11 players. Even Premier Nebraska had 2 players hurt and had to pull up 2 younger players for 18's national - having a total of 9 players!

This is my biggest gripe with Metro. It’s so selfish. They would recruit better players away from their club and then just have them on the sidelines? Why? How does this help the sport develop?

Seen very good players get attracted to play for Metro and don't really improve or develop. Unless your DD go to Metro and get decent amount of playtime (not just a serve or two here and there), your DD will not get developed. Yes, playtime has to be earned. However, if you are not playing much with all the $$$ you pay for club, might as well go to a less competitive club to grow and improve. Metro is always recruiting hitters so if you get better at another club, then Metro will want you back. Find the best fit for your DD, don't just decide on the club based on wins......most of our DDs will not play in college (5.9% of all high school aged volleyball players play in college; 1.2% play D1).

Metro and Paramount are separating themselves from the rest of the pack. In my opinion, Metro have the best athletes but Paramount have probably the best coaching on the East Coast. With regard to the 18s, there is probably not one Paramount player that would be a starter at Metro. So to achieve 5th in the nation, is a testimony to very good players with outstanding coaching.

Paramount couching is not the best on the east coast- that is absolutely false. They coach by fear and intimidation, not by teaching skills, building confidence, encouraging taking risks. IF fear and intimidation is how you categorize "best coach" i encourage you to revaluate and even look at professional coaches and how they get the best out of their players.

I guess a team can finish 5th in the nation in 18 Open by playing scared, intimidated, without being taught skills, without having confidence, and without taking risks! Makes so much sense, right?!

There are plenty of examples of athletes that still perform at a high level despite mental abuse and even physical abuse- (women's gymnastics). So yes, there is plenty of high pressure, yelling, and emotional sacrifice that is happening on Paramount that isn't happening at other clubs. Sure, winning is great, but what's the cost when playing for Paramount.

If you think high pressure, yelling, and emotional sacrifice is only happening at just one club, you are delusional.

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There’s a lot of stuff I don’t like in the local volleyball world. Yelling and screaming is one thing, but I’ve seen kids sit on the bench the entire season, which is just as bad from a mental health perspective. Everybody should get some game time, or reduce the roster, don’t take the money.

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Anonymous wrote:Paramount 18s finished 5th place overall in the 18 Open Division of USAV GJNC (Nationals), which apparently is the best overall finish in CHRVA history for an 18s team in the Open Division of USAV GJNC (per PrepDig article). Virtually unheard of for a CHRVA team to finish as a top 5 team in the nation.

But yet they can’t beat Metro. Got to love a good draw

This is the issue with Metro parents. They are so selfish and territorial that they can't appreciate a historic achievement by another CHRVA team that only serves to elevate the game in our area. Successes like this make it better for all the athletes in the CHRVA Region, as the CHRVA Region is trying to play catch up to the other better volleyball regions. This kind of success is unheard of and should be celebrate by all, regardless of club affiliation. The more teams the CHRVA region can send to Nationals, the better. The more success CHRVA region teams have on the biggest stage, the more opportunities open up for all CHRVA athletes. MVSA gets this, MDJrs gets this. I wish the big dog clubs in our area (namely Metro and Paramount) would understand this and celebrate each other's successes more.

1000%

Regions from TX, FL, No/So CA all have MANY very competitive clubs. Not just one or two. Yes, there are some more dominant clubs but the Tour of Tx tournament early in the season really get all the teams primed for national competition. When CHRVA only has Metro (and they stack 15 girls on a team and only play 7-8 of them), it does not advance volleyball in this region. Our local CHRVA Open tournaments are not really that competitive because it is always won by Metro or Paramount. Having Paramount become another competitive club is just a start. We need more clubs to all start getting bids (like Blue Ridge, MD Jrs, VA Jrs, CVA) to nationals thus give players multiple options for competitive clubs. Right now, the power is in the clubs because they know high level play is only seen at a few clubs so they can carry 15 players. Compare this to TX clubs, they cannot get away with having 15 players ($$$) because the players will just go to another club to train and get playtime. TX teams only carry 10-11 players. Even Premier Nebraska had 2 players hurt and had to pull up 2 younger players for 18's national - having a total of 9 players!

It's not just Metro. Paramount carries way too many kids as well who never get time or maybe go in for a point or two.