My neighbor’s aggressive dog

[Anonymous]

As someone who was bitten by a neighbor's dog as a kid for the crime of rollerblading past their house, I definitely feel for you.

You might get more traction with the HOA if you frame it as a noise violation issue, weirdly enough, so I might try them again.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing you describe shows that this is a dog that will attack you, OP. I work with dogs.

The dangerous ones are usually the ones who SNARL, with lips curled back, showing teeth. That's an immediate danger sign. And then the truly lethal ones who attack silently without warning and go for the kill. Barking and lunging outside means this dog is poorly socialized, training has been non-existent or has not worked. The couple this dog belongs to seems to keep it leashed, which is a good sign. Barking and pressing on the window is nothing - a lot of perfectly safe dogs with a full view outside do this because they're bored, want to engage, but are frustrated by being cooped up.

However, this being a Malinois or GDS, who can literally rip your throat out, better safe than sorry, you can always carry mace or a stick. Practice in the mirror drawing it out and pretending to use it, because a loose dog is faster than you ever imagine possible. Don't get too close, or you won't have time to draw. I doubt you'll ever need it, however.

I would talk to these neighbors and officially relay your concerns, before contacting whichever authorities in your locale. There are prong collars, e-collars and special "military" trainings they can explore. The collars are especially effective for petite persons walking out of control dogs. I've used them myself to great effect.

I was with you until you suggested inhumane treatments like prong ,e-collar etc. They are cruel and should never be used. You are most likely causing greater harm but you don't care because results is all you are after.

If you beat a child you will have a well behaved child but with lots of psychological problems

Dogs trained for the police/military wear those collars. They are not inhumane at all, since they're not designed to hurt. The setting has to be calibrated to the individual dog and is set to the lowest possible level. Malinois and short-haired GDS dogs are preferred army and police breeds and are temperamentally and physically suited to wear them.

The myth that prong and e-collars are inhumane and should never be used has caused many reactive dogs with a potential for re-training and rehab to be euthanized, since positive-only training does not work on them.

So please don't pretend to know when you so clearly do not - your ignorance and the spread of such disinformation costs lives.

Actually you are the ignorant one. You have no idea what training I have done or what I know. This neighbor's dog is NOT a police dog and you are very wrong about prong collars and e-collars. Many organizations have come out against them. Maybe you will take their opinion seriously: Or you going to accuse them of not knowing anything?

https://www.bsava.com/position-statement/aversive-training-methods/


Here is an article that explains why in simple terms for you to understand. If you are bold enough to read it. https://smartdoguniversity.com/a-surprising-look-at-balanced-training/

NP. My highly trained dog gets SUPER SUPER excited, like steak level excited to see the e-collar come out. It means we are going on an adventure where she will be able to run long distances away from me. A quick buzz is the recall to come back; it's a way to communicate. I've put it on my own neck at the level we use and it's less uncomfortable than the TENS unit my chiropractor uses on my back though feels very similar. It feels a little weird, it's not painful.

As to the bolded, if you get a Mal, you had better damned well train it like a police dog. They'll basically accept nothing less, which is why I think most responsible people who own them don't think they should be pets getting time in the yard and a walk a day. They thrive on structure and working and they're incredibly tough-willed. This owner is failing. While I wouldn't look at the tool itself as the answer (e-collar, prong collar) in the hands of an unequipped owner, I also wouldn't trust a positive only trainer to work for a problematic Mal. It's the equivalent of having a kid who killed two family cats, attacks his siblings and set the house on fire and only being open to Gentle Parenting solutions where you can't use the word "No."

You are cruel and I refuse to read yor trash

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing you describe shows that this is a dog that will attack you, OP. I work with dogs.

The dangerous ones are usually the ones who SNARL, with lips curled back, showing teeth. That's an immediate danger sign. And then the truly lethal ones who attack silently without warning and go for the kill. Barking and lunging outside means this dog is poorly socialized, training has been non-existent or has not worked. The couple this dog belongs to seems to keep it leashed, which is a good sign. Barking and pressing on the window is nothing - a lot of perfectly safe dogs with a full view outside do this because they're bored, want to engage, but are frustrated by being cooped up.

However, this being a Malinois or GDS, who can literally rip your throat out, better safe than sorry, you can always carry mace or a stick. Practice in the mirror drawing it out and pretending to use it, because a loose dog is faster than you ever imagine possible. Don't get too close, or you won't have time to draw. I doubt you'll ever need it, however.

I would talk to these neighbors and officially relay your concerns, before contacting whichever authorities in your locale. There are prong collars, e-collars and special "military" trainings they can explore. The collars are especially effective for petite persons walking out of control dogs. I've used them myself to great effect.

I was with you until you suggested inhumane treatments like prong ,e-collar etc. They are cruel and should never be used. You are most likely causing greater harm but you don't care because results is all you are after.

If you beat a child you will have a well behaved child but with lots of psychological problems

Dogs trained for the police/military wear those collars. They are not inhumane at all, since they're not designed to hurt. The setting has to be calibrated to the individual dog and is set to the lowest possible level. Malinois and short-haired GDS dogs are preferred army and police breeds and are temperamentally and physically suited to wear them.

The myth that prong and e-collars are inhumane and should never be used has caused many reactive dogs with a potential for re-training and rehab to be euthanized, since positive-only training does not work on them.

So please don't pretend to know when you so clearly do not - your ignorance and the spread of such disinformation costs lives.

+1

+2. Truth here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing you describe shows that this is a dog that will attack you, OP. I work with dogs.

The dangerous ones are usually the ones who SNARL, with lips curled back, showing teeth. That's an immediate danger sign. And then the truly lethal ones who attack silently without warning and go for the kill. Barking and lunging outside means this dog is poorly socialized, training has been non-existent or has not worked. The couple this dog belongs to seems to keep it leashed, which is a good sign. Barking and pressing on the window is nothing - a lot of perfectly safe dogs with a full view outside do this because they're bored, want to engage, but are frustrated by being cooped up.

However, this being a Malinois or GDS, who can literally rip your throat out, better safe than sorry, you can always carry mace or a stick. Practice in the mirror drawing it out and pretending to use it, because a loose dog is faster than you ever imagine possible. Don't get too close, or you won't have time to draw. I doubt you'll ever need it, however.

I would talk to these neighbors and officially relay your concerns, before contacting whichever authorities in your locale. There are prong collars, e-collars and special "military" trainings they can explore. The collars are especially effective for petite persons walking out of control dogs. I've used them myself to great effect.

I was with you until you suggested inhumane treatments like prong ,e-collar etc. They are cruel and should never be used. You are most likely causing greater harm but you don't care because results is all you are after.

If you beat a child you will have a well behaved child but with lots of psychological problems

Dogs trained for the police/military wear those collars. They are not inhumane at all, since they're not designed to hurt. The setting has to be calibrated to the individual dog and is set to the lowest possible level. Malinois and short-haired GDS dogs are preferred army and police breeds and are temperamentally and physically suited to wear them.

The myth that prong and e-collars are inhumane and should never be used has caused many reactive dogs with a potential for re-training and rehab to be euthanized, since positive-only training does not work on them.

So please don't pretend to know when you so clearly do not - your ignorance and the spread of such disinformation costs lives.

Actually you are the ignorant one. You have no idea what training I have done or what I know. This neighbor's dog is NOT a police dog and you are very wrong about prong collars and e-collars. Many organizations have come out against them. Maybe you will take their opinion seriously: Or you going to accuse them of not knowing anything?

https://www.bsava.com/position-statement/aversive-training-methods/


Here is an article that explains why in simple terms for you to understand. If you are bold enough to read it. https://smartdoguniversity.com/a-surprising-look-at-balanced-training/

NP. My highly trained dog gets SUPER SUPER excited, like steak level excited to see the e-collar come out. It means we are going on an adventure where she will be able to run long distances away from me. A quick buzz is the recall to come back; it's a way to communicate. I've put it on my own neck at the level we use and it's less uncomfortable than the TENS unit my chiropractor uses on my back though feels very similar. It feels a little weird, it's not painful.

As to the bolded, if you get a Mal, you had better damned well train it like a police dog. They'll basically accept nothing less, which is why I think most responsible people who own them don't think they should be pets getting time in the yard and a walk a day. They thrive on structure and working and they're incredibly tough-willed. This owner is failing. While I wouldn't look at the tool itself as the answer (e-collar, prong collar) in the hands of an unequipped owner, I also wouldn't trust a positive only trainer to work for a problematic Mal. It's the equivalent of having a kid who killed two family cats, attacks his siblings and set the house on fire and only being open to Gentle Parenting solutions where you can't use the word "No."

You are cruel and I refuse to read yor trash

What are your suggestions for training Mals? I've trained 10 in search and rescue so am honestly curious what techniques you find to be so highly effective my thoughts are "trash."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing you describe shows that this is a dog that will attack you, OP. I work with dogs.

The dangerous ones are usually the ones who SNARL, with lips curled back, showing teeth. That's an immediate danger sign. And then the truly lethal ones who attack silently without warning and go for the kill. Barking and lunging outside means this dog is poorly socialized, training has been non-existent or has not worked. The couple this dog belongs to seems to keep it leashed, which is a good sign. Barking and pressing on the window is nothing - a lot of perfectly safe dogs with a full view outside do this because they're bored, want to engage, but are frustrated by being cooped up.

However, this being a Malinois or GDS, who can literally rip your throat out, better safe than sorry, you can always carry mace or a stick. Practice in the mirror drawing it out and pretending to use it, because a loose dog is faster than you ever imagine possible. Don't get too close, or you won't have time to draw. I doubt you'll ever need it, however.

I would talk to these neighbors and officially relay your concerns, before contacting whichever authorities in your locale. There are prong collars, e-collars and special "military" trainings they can explore. The collars are especially effective for petite persons walking out of control dogs. I've used them myself to great effect.

I was with you until you suggested inhumane treatments like prong ,e-collar etc. They are cruel and should never be used. You are most likely causing greater harm but you don't care because results is all you are after.

If you beat a child you will have a well behaved child but with lots of psychological problems

Dogs trained for the police/military wear those collars. They are not inhumane at all, since they're not designed to hurt. The setting has to be calibrated to the individual dog and is set to the lowest possible level. Malinois and short-haired GDS dogs are preferred army and police breeds and are temperamentally and physically suited to wear them.

The myth that prong and e-collars are inhumane and should never be used has caused many reactive dogs with a potential for re-training and rehab to be euthanized, since positive-only training does not work on them.

So please don't pretend to know when you so clearly do not - your ignorance and the spread of such disinformation costs lives.

Actually you are the ignorant one. You have no idea what training I have done or what I know. This neighbor's dog is NOT a police dog and you are very wrong about prong collars and e-collars. Many organizations have come out against them. Maybe you will take their opinion seriously: Or you going to accuse them of not knowing anything?

https://www.bsava.com/position-statement/aversive-training-methods/


Here is an article that explains why in simple terms for you to understand. If you are bold enough to read it. https://smartdoguniversity.com/a-surprising-look-at-balanced-training/

NP. My highly trained dog gets SUPER SUPER excited, like steak level excited to see the e-collar come out. It means we are going on an adventure where she will be able to run long distances away from me. A quick buzz is the recall to come back; it's a way to communicate. I've put it on my own neck at the level we use and it's less uncomfortable than the TENS unit my chiropractor uses on my back though feels very similar. It feels a little weird, it's not painful.

As to the bolded, if you get a Mal, you had better damned well train it like a police dog. They'll basically accept nothing less, which is why I think most responsible people who own them don't think they should be pets getting time in the yard and a walk a day. They thrive on structure and working and they're incredibly tough-willed. This owner is failing. While I wouldn't look at the tool itself as the answer (e-collar, prong collar) in the hands of an unequipped owner, I also wouldn't trust a positive only trainer to work for a problematic Mal. It's the equivalent of having a kid who killed two family cats, attacks his siblings and set the house on fire and only being open to Gentle Parenting solutions where you can't use the word "No."

You are cruel and I refuse to read yor trash

Tell me you have a totally out of control "Doodle" without telling me you have a nutso "everyone loves him! Doodle."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As someone who was bitten by a neighbor's dog as a kid for the crime of rollerblading past their house, I definitely feel for you.

You might get more traction with the HOA if you frame it as a noise violation issue, weirdly enough, so I might try them again.

This is the OP. That is quite awful. Your comment hit home.

I think I may try this as well. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You might want to consider caring, mace, or a stick with you or both.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've actually moved for less, when we had a neighboring pit bull that was terrifying for a number of reasons, and we had small kids who loved to play in the yard (neighbor didn't keep the dog contained so it came over to our yard all the time, despite our attempts to dissuade it and ask owners to contain it). We were absolutely not interested in waiting around to see if this dog escalated with us or worse, our kids, and we sold our house and moved. I realize it could sound like an overreaction to some people, but I really dont want my kids to be the next tragic news story and this dog was dangerous.

This is where I am. We now have a neighboring pitbull, adopted during the pandemic, whose owner does not keep the dog well-contained or well-controlled. We are looking to move. Everyone thinks we're crazy to leave our wonderful townhouse community over a dog, but, as PP said, "I really don't want my kids to be the next tragic news story." I have young kids and the dog has already chased one of them through our parking lot. (It was off-leash, enough said).

This really sucks that jerks can let their potentially dangerous dogs wander off leash and the solution is that people have to move. It seems like there should be better enforcement. But these pit owners are so narcissistic they think the world is “discriminating” against their dog if they don’t want to tolerate its poorly controlled behavior.

Somehow I wound up on a TikTok video posted by a family trying to get “justice” for their sweet pit bull who was shot by a neighbor. It comes up in the comments that the dog ran into the neighbor’s yard and the neighbors had complained. But their dog was SO sweet and just wanted to say hi or whatever. They even put up a sign with an arrow saying something like “a dog murderer lives here.” There wasn’t an ounce of self reflection about how they got their dog killed by not controlling it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've actually moved for less, when we had a neighboring pit bull that was terrifying for a number of reasons, and we had small kids who loved to play in the yard (neighbor didn't keep the dog contained so it came over to our yard all the time, despite our attempts to dissuade it and ask owners to contain it). We were absolutely not interested in waiting around to see if this dog escalated with us or worse, our kids, and we sold our house and moved. I realize it could sound like an overreaction to some people, but I really dont want my kids to be the next tragic news story and this dog was dangerous.

This is where I am. We now have a neighboring pitbull, adopted during the pandemic, whose owner does not keep the dog well-contained or well-controlled. We are looking to move. Everyone thinks we're crazy to leave our wonderful townhouse community over a dog, but, as PP said, "I really don't want my kids to be the next tragic news story." I have young kids and the dog has already chased one of them through our parking lot. (It was off-leash, enough said).

This really sucks that jerks can let their potentially dangerous dogs wander off leash and the solution is that people have to move. It seems like there should be better enforcement. But these pit owners are so narcissistic they think the world is “discriminating” against their dog if they don’t want to tolerate its poorly controlled behavior.

Somehow I wound up on a TikTok video posted by a family trying to get “justice” for their sweet pit bull who was shot by a neighbor. It comes up in the comments that the dog ran into the neighbor’s yard and the neighbors had complained. But their dog was SO sweet and just wanted to say hi or whatever. They even put up a sign with an arrow saying something like “a dog murderer lives here.” There wasn’t an ounce of self reflection about how they got their dog killed by not controlling it.

That sounds like an awful and mean neighbor. No one should live in fear.

I don’t understand why people get dangerous breeds and don’t have the capability to train them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing you describe shows that this is a dog that will attack you, OP. I work with dogs.

The dangerous ones are usually the ones who SNARL, with lips curled back, showing teeth. That's an immediate danger sign. And then the truly lethal ones who attack silently without warning and go for the kill. Barking and lunging outside means this dog is poorly socialized, training has been non-existent or has not worked. The couple this dog belongs to seems to keep it leashed, which is a good sign. Barking and pressing on the window is nothing - a lot of perfectly safe dogs with a full view outside do this because they're bored, want to engage, but are frustrated by being cooped up.

However, this being a Malinois or GDS, who can literally rip your throat out, better safe than sorry, you can always carry mace or a stick. Practice in the mirror drawing it out and pretending to use it, because a loose dog is faster than you ever imagine possible. Don't get too close, or you won't have time to draw. I doubt you'll ever need it, however.

I would talk to these neighbors and officially relay your concerns, before contacting whichever authorities in your locale. There are prong collars, e-collars and special "military" trainings they can explore. The collars are especially effective for petite persons walking out of control dogs. I've used them myself to great effect.

I was with you until you suggested inhumane treatments like prong ,e-collar etc. They are cruel and should never be used. You are most likely causing greater harm but you don't care because results is all you are after.

If you beat a child you will have a well behaved child but with lots of psychological problems

Dogs trained for the police/military wear those collars. They are not inhumane at all, since they're not designed to hurt. The setting has to be calibrated to the individual dog and is set to the lowest possible level. Malinois and short-haired GDS dogs are preferred army and police breeds and are temperamentally and physically suited to wear them.

The myth that prong and e-collars are inhumane and should never be used has caused many reactive dogs with a potential for re-training and rehab to be euthanized, since positive-only training does not work on them.

So please don't pretend to know when you so clearly do not - your ignorance and the spread of such disinformation costs lives.

Actually you are the ignorant one. You have no idea what training I have done or what I know. This neighbor's dog is NOT a police dog and you are very wrong about prong collars and e-collars. Many organizations have come out against them. Maybe you will take their opinion seriously: Or you going to accuse them of not knowing anything?

https://www.bsava.com/position-statement/aversive-training-methods/


Here is an article that explains why in simple terms for you to understand. If you are bold enough to read it. https://smartdoguniversity.com/a-surprising-look-at-balanced-training/

NP. My highly trained dog gets SUPER SUPER excited, like steak level excited to see the e-collar come out. It means we are going on an adventure where she will be able to run long distances away from me. A quick buzz is the recall to come back; it's a way to communicate. I've put it on my own neck at the level we use and it's less uncomfortable than the TENS unit my chiropractor uses on my back though feels very similar. It feels a little weird, it's not painful.

As to the bolded, if you get a Mal, you had better damned well train it like a police dog. They'll basically accept nothing less, which is why I think most responsible people who own them don't think they should be pets getting time in the yard and a walk a day. They thrive on structure and working and they're incredibly tough-willed. This owner is failing. While I wouldn't look at the tool itself as the answer (e-collar, prong collar) in the hands of an unequipped owner, I also wouldn't trust a positive only trainer to work for a problematic Mal. It's the equivalent of having a kid who killed two family cats, attacks his siblings and set the house on fire and only being open to Gentle Parenting solutions where you can't use the word "No."

You are cruel and I refuse to read yor trash

What are your suggestions for training Mals? I've trained 10 in search and rescue so am honestly curious what techniques you find to be so highly effective my thoughts are "trash."

Regular families should not have Belgian Mals. Period. They can be sweet but you have to know how to handle and WORK them. And above all, trained.

I'm not in favor of aversive training but some of the e-collars really are not bad. If they are used right, it is NOT painful for the dog. It sort of feels like a buzzing on them to give a cue. Having said that, they can be used improperly and used to hurt the dog. So should be a last result, imo, and only used with proper training by a professional.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing you describe shows that this is a dog that will attack you, OP. I work with dogs.

The dangerous ones are usually the ones who SNARL, with lips curled back, showing teeth. That's an immediate danger sign. And then the truly lethal ones who attack silently without warning and go for the kill. Barking and lunging outside means this dog is poorly socialized, training has been non-existent or has not worked. The couple this dog belongs to seems to keep it leashed, which is a good sign. Barking and pressing on the window is nothing - a lot of perfectly safe dogs with a full view outside do this because they're bored, want to engage, but are frustrated by being cooped up.

However, this being a Malinois or GDS, who can literally rip your throat out, better safe than sorry, you can always carry mace or a stick. Practice in the mirror drawing it out and pretending to use it, because a loose dog is faster than you ever imagine possible. Don't get too close, or you won't have time to draw. I doubt you'll ever need it, however.

I would talk to these neighbors and officially relay your concerns, before contacting whichever authorities in your locale. There are prong collars, e-collars and special "military" trainings they can explore. The collars are especially effective for petite persons walking out of control dogs. I've used them myself to great effect.

E-collars were just banned in Britain because it is cruel and inhumane

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dog-electric-collar-ban-b2329041.html

I was with you until you suggested inhumane treatments like prong ,e-collar etc. They are cruel and should never be used. You are most likely causing greater harm but you don't care because results is all you are after.

If you beat a child you will have a well behaved child but with lots of psychological problems

Dogs trained for the police/military wear those collars. They are not inhumane at all, since they're not designed to hurt. The setting has to be calibrated to the individual dog and is set to the lowest possible level. Malinois and short-haired GDS dogs are preferred army and police breeds and are temperamentally and physically suited to wear them.

The myth that prong and e-collars are inhumane and should never be used has caused many reactive dogs with a potential for re-training and rehab to be euthanized, since positive-only training does not work on them.

So please don't pretend to know when you so clearly do not - your ignorance and the spread of such disinformation costs lives.

Actually you are the ignorant one. You have no idea what training I have done or what I know. This neighbor's dog is NOT a police dog and you are very wrong about prong collars and e-collars. Many organizations have come out against them. Maybe you will take their opinion seriously: Or you going to accuse them of not knowing anything?

https://www.bsava.com/position-statement/aversive-training-methods/


Here is an article that explains why in simple terms for you to understand. If you are bold enough to read it. https://smartdoguniversity.com/a-surprising-look-at-balanced-training/

NP. My highly trained dog gets SUPER SUPER excited, like steak level excited to see the e-collar come out. It means we are going on an adventure where she will be able to run long distances away from me. A quick buzz is the recall to come back; it's a way to communicate. I've put it on my own neck at the level we use and it's less uncomfortable than the TENS unit my chiropractor uses on my back though feels very similar. It feels a little weird, it's not painful.

As to the bolded, if you get a Mal, you had better damned well train it like a police dog. They'll basically accept nothing less, which is why I think most responsible people who own them don't think they should be pets getting time in the yard and a walk a day. They thrive on structure and working and they're incredibly tough-willed. This owner is failing. While I wouldn't look at the tool itself as the answer (e-collar, prong collar) in the hands of an unequipped owner, I also wouldn't trust a positive only trainer to work for a problematic Mal. It's the equivalent of having a kid who killed two family cats, attacks his siblings and set the house on fire and only being open to Gentle Parenting solutions where you can't use the word "No."

You are cruel and I refuse to read yor trash

What are your suggestions for training Mals? I've trained 10 in search and rescue so am honestly curious what techniques you find to be so highly effective my thoughts are "trash."

Regular families should not have Belgian Mals. Period. They can be sweet but you have to know how to handle and WORK them. And above all, trained.

I'm not in favor of aversive training but some of the e-collars really are not bad. If they are used right, it is NOT painful for the dog. It sort of feels like a buzzing on them to give a cue. Having said that, they can be used improperly and used to hurt the dog. So should be a last result, imo, and only used with proper training by a professional.

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Anonymous wrote:My neighbor has a very aggressive dog and I am very afraid it will bite me. I have done nothing to aggravate it. I am not sure what to do.

I live in a townhouse community. The neighbor has a belgian malanois or german shepherd dog that has been very aggressive to me and other people in the neighborhood. It has lunged and barked at me while walking on the street. The neighbor told it to stop and that worked. The guy’s wife walks it and has less control over it. It looks like the dog pulls her down the street.

It barks and lunges at me from their ground floor window. I see and hear its nails hit the window. This is a daily occurrence.

I can”t avoid it because the doors are side by side. I take a different walking trail to avoid them in the afternoon and evening.

It barks at the children playing in the street, other neighbors, cars, and other dogs.

The neighbor is not particularly nice and I don’t feel comfortable talking to them. The HOA and the City of Alexandria don’t seem to address this situation unless one is actually bitten. I am concerned the neighbor might lose control of the dog during a walk or accidentally get out their door and attack. The dog seems triggered by everything. I’d appreciate any advice. I am ready to move away because it is such a bad situation.

What people think as aggressive may in fact be a fearful dog. His barking and lunging is a way for you to keep away. First, he has the right to bark in his own home. I know it can be unnerving but, there is nothing you should do. He is protecting his family. Lots of dogs are fearful of children because they are unpredictable. Not every dog likes dogs. People think they need dog friends but, not everyone do. If the dog has only barked at you or lunged that is not a crime. Cross the street when you see them or turn and go the other way. Don't give eye contact, obvously. There is no need for you to talk to the owner. They might be working on these issues and either way you stating the obvious isn't helpful.

Typical. OP, look out for yourself.

The dog has not actually done anything so what do suggest? I have a hound and she barks and lunges and Im quite some people on here would think she is "aggressive" and she does not have a mean bone in her. She's alerting me that you are there and trying to get to you (esp if you have a dog that she'd like to meet). We've trained here. A lot. But it's just in her nature. If I see people are nervous (and my neighbors all know her so it's a non-issue), I just tell the she's a barker but if you're scared you shouldn't come near us. She's actually very submissive that if you yell at her she backs off. But, her barking and trying to get to/point out the things that excite her is part of her breed.

Is it possible the GSD/Malinois is aggressive? Yes. Is it possible, too, that it's not? Yes. If you're not willing to speak to the owners and get the scoop, then avoiding the dog is the only thing to do here. There is a truly aggressive dog on our street -a lab mix, who ripped open another dog's hind quarters while on a walk. The authorities did nothing on a technicality of some sort. It has no record. The owner is clueless and a moron. So I just turn the other way when I see it.

I don't understand how people can say that a lunging dog isn't a danger. A lunging dog that "doesn't have a mean bone in her" can cause injuries. My neighbor had a small dog that was fearful and lunged at another dog one day. My neighbor fell and broke her hip. The other dog was a larger lab/shepherd mix and he bolted due to all the commotion and the owner fell and broke her wrist. I saw all of this happen from a distance while walking my own dog and it happened in the blink of an eye. Whether dogs are lunging and barking because they are truly aggressive or reacting in fear, they aren't being controlled by their owners and can overpower them, and that's a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I would absolutely carry mace or bear spray.

I can't stand bad dog owners. Don't get these dangerous dogs if you can't control and train them. Ugh.

I've been researching this and read some stat that said mace is only effective in dog attacks roughly 40% of the time - also noting that you have to be fairly accurate when spraying mace. They recommend using a stun gun, but ironically the baton style so you dont have to get so close to the other dog. I don't see myself carrying a cattle prod looking stun baton personally. They also noted that the loud electric cracking noise the stun guns create when pressed are often enough to make the attacking dog stop and reconsider.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing you describe shows that this is a dog that will attack you, OP. I work with dogs.

The dangerous ones are usually the ones who SNARL, with lips curled back, showing teeth. That's an immediate danger sign. And then the truly lethal ones who attack silently without warning and go for the kill. Barking and lunging outside means this dog is poorly socialized, training has been non-existent or has not worked. The couple this dog belongs to seems to keep it leashed, which is a good sign. Barking and pressing on the window is nothing - a lot of perfectly safe dogs with a full view outside do this because they're bored, want to engage, but are frustrated by being cooped up.

However, this being a Malinois or GDS, who can literally rip your throat out, better safe than sorry, you can always carry mace or a stick. Practice in the mirror drawing it out and pretending to use it, because a loose dog is faster than you ever imagine possible. Don't get too close, or you won't have time to draw. I doubt you'll ever need it, however.

I would talk to these neighbors and officially relay your concerns, before contacting whichever authorities in your locale. There are prong collars, e-collars and special "military" trainings they can explore. The collars are especially effective for petite persons walking out of control dogs. I've used them myself to great effect.

I was with you until you suggested inhumane treatments like prong ,e-collar etc. They are cruel and should never be used. You are most likely causing greater harm but you don't care because results is all you are after.

If you beat a child you will have a well behaved child but with lots of psychological problems

Dogs trained for the police/military wear those collars. They are not inhumane at all, since they're not designed to hurt. The setting has to be calibrated to the individual dog and is set to the lowest possible level. Malinois and short-haired GDS dogs are preferred army and police breeds and are temperamentally and physically suited to wear them.

The myth that prong and e-collars are inhumane and should never be used has caused many reactive dogs with a potential for re-training and rehab to be euthanized, since positive-only training does not work on them.

So please don't pretend to know when you so clearly do not - your ignorance and the spread of such disinformation costs lives.

Actually you are the ignorant one. You have no idea what training I have done or what I know. This neighbor's dog is NOT a police dog and you are very wrong about prong collars and e-collars. Many organizations have come out against them. Maybe you will take their opinion seriously: Or you going to accuse them of not knowing anything?

https://www.bsava.com/position-statement/aversive-training-methods/


Here is an article that explains why in simple terms for you to understand. If you are bold enough to read it. https://smartdoguniversity.com/a-surprising-look-at-balanced-training/

NP. My highly trained dog gets SUPER SUPER excited, like steak level excited to see the e-collar come out. It means we are going on an adventure where she will be able to run long distances away from me. A quick buzz is the recall to come back; it's a way to communicate. I've put it on my own neck at the level we use and it's less uncomfortable than the TENS unit my chiropractor uses on my back though feels very similar. It feels a little weird, it's not painful.

As to the bolded, if you get a Mal, you had better damned well train it like a police dog. They'll basically accept nothing less, which is why I think most responsible people who own them don't think they should be pets getting time in the yard and a walk a day. They thrive on structure and working and they're incredibly tough-willed. This owner is failing. While I wouldn't look at the tool itself as the answer (e-collar, prong collar) in the hands of an unequipped owner, I also wouldn't trust a positive only trainer to work for a problematic Mal. It's the equivalent of having a kid who killed two family cats, attacks his siblings and set the house on fire and only being open to Gentle Parenting solutions where you can't use the word "No."

You are cruel and I refuse to read yor trash

Tell me you have a totally out of control "Doodle" without telling me you have a nutso "everyone loves him! Doodle."

Doodles are expensive mutts and so therefore am not stupid enough to buy a mutt that expensive.

So you are wrong genius

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Anonymous wrote:My neighbor has a very aggressive dog and I am very afraid it will bite me. I have done nothing to aggravate it. I am not sure what to do.

I live in a townhouse community. The neighbor has a belgian malanois or german shepherd dog that has been very aggressive to me and other people in the neighborhood. It has lunged and barked at me while walking on the street. The neighbor told it to stop and that worked. The guy’s wife walks it and has less control over it. It looks like the dog pulls her down the street.

It barks and lunges at me from their ground floor window. I see and hear its nails hit the window. This is a daily occurrence.

I can”t avoid it because the doors are side by side. I take a different walking trail to avoid them in the afternoon and evening.

It barks at the children playing in the street, other neighbors, cars, and other dogs.

The neighbor is not particularly nice and I don’t feel comfortable talking to them. The HOA and the City of Alexandria don’t seem to address this situation unless one is actually bitten. I am concerned the neighbor might lose control of the dog during a walk or accidentally get out their door and attack. The dog seems triggered by everything. I’d appreciate any advice. I am ready to move away because it is such a bad situation.

What people think as aggressive may in fact be a fearful dog. His barking and lunging is a way for you to keep away. First, he has the right to bark in his own home. I know it can be unnerving but, there is nothing you should do. He is protecting his family. Lots of dogs are fearful of children because they are unpredictable. Not every dog likes dogs. People think they need dog friends but, not everyone do. If the dog has only barked at you or lunged that is not a crime. Cross the street when you see them or turn and go the other way. Don't give eye contact, obvously. There is no need for you to talk to the owner. They might be working on these issues and either way you stating the obvious isn't helpful.

Typical. OP, look out for yourself.

The dog has not actually done anything so what do suggest? I have a hound and she barks and lunges and Im quite some people on here would think she is "aggressive" and she does not have a mean bone in her. She's alerting me that you are there and trying to get to you (esp if you have a dog that she'd like to meet). We've trained here. A lot. But it's just in her nature. If I see people are nervous (and my neighbors all know her so it's a non-issue), I just tell the she's a barker but if you're scared you shouldn't come near us. She's actually very submissive that if you yell at her she backs off. But, her barking and trying to get to/point out the things that excite her is part of her breed.

Is it possible the GSD/Malinois is aggressive? Yes. Is it possible, too, that it's not? Yes. If you're not willing to speak to the owners and get the scoop, then avoiding the dog is the only thing to do here. There is a truly aggressive dog on our street -a lab mix, who ripped open another dog's hind quarters while on a walk. The authorities did nothing on a technicality of some sort. It has no record. The owner is clueless and a moron. So I just turn the other way when I see it.

I don't understand how people can say that a lunging dog isn't a danger. A lunging dog that "doesn't have a mean bone in her" can cause injuries. My neighbor had a small dog that was fearful and lunged at another dog one day. My neighbor fell and broke her hip. The other dog was a larger lab/shepherd mix and he bolted due to all the commotion and the owner fell and broke her wrist. I saw all of this happen from a distance while walking my own dog and it happened in the blink of an eye. Whether dogs are lunging and barking because they are truly aggressive or reacting in fear, they aren't being controlled by their owners and can overpower them, and that's a problem.

No one said it wasn't a problem. Some people are saying it isn't necessarily aggression. Some dogs who are fearful will lunge to keep you away.