another near fatal overdose(s) for APS..3/1/23

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Anonymous wrote:Guys. Yes fentanyl is scary but believing ever rumor that comes out about fentanyl is not a way to get across to your kids not to try drugs. Your kid is going to dismiss that because it all sounds ridiculous. Just like I dismissed similar statements about other drugs in the 90s. Learn the facts and be real with your kids.

Also alcohol is more of a gateway drug than Marijuana so be open with your kids about that too.

And for those who blame it on a certain race or income class. I am white. I hade straight As, top of my class in HS, college, and law school. I am an addict (sober since 2003). No one is immune.

What sounds ridiculous?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Time to bring scared straight back into schools.

And Nancy Regan "JUST SAY NO!" Drug-free zones.

I was scared to try anything!

the "this is your brain on drugs" commercial and "I learned it from watching you" commercials were pretty effective on me, frankly.

And the after school specials. Scared the hell out of me.

I wonder if the fentanyl stuff will scare this upcoming generation off of experimenting with drugs.

There are no awareness campaigns adirected towards kids nowadays. We got all that through TV, but I haven't seen anything on my kids' social media (today's equivalent of the TV that we watched) that is anti-drug at all. There's no DARE or MADD or "just say no" campaigns right now. Kids have no idea what to do, and parents are so oblivious to the threat that this poses to their "good kids" that they just ignore it because they think there's no way their kid would ever try anything like this/don't have access to it/whatever.

I have ES-aged kids. They know never to take food or candy for anyone or to try anything that looks like a pill or candy that anyone (even a trusted friend or adult that is not their parent) gives them. We talk about it regularly. I wanted to start early to drill it into their growing brains.

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Anonymous wrote:Stay classy North Arlington

You’re using the occasion of a kid’s drug overdose to make a stupid comment bashing a neighborhood you don’t like? Take a minute and consider why you’re so bitter and weighted down with that kind of baggage. It’s gross.

Defensive much? A lot of people don't like your neighborhood, your blonde ponytail, and white Highlander and/or Lexus SUV. #sorrynotsorry

DP. Doubling down on the stupidity and immaturity. Chef’s kiss to the hashtag. I’m going to guess you can’t afford North Arlington.

No, sorry, you're quoting two different people, and PP's point was that you North Arlington (interesting how you have to be SO specific that you live in the rich, white part of Arlington, god forbid you live in diverse South Arlington) mommies are denial about drugs being in your community and among your wealthy, white children. They're there now, they were there when we were kids (I grew up in a UMC Chicago suburb, trust me we were all doing drugs and our parents had no idea). I believe the "stay classy" comment was in response to the first poster who was like "omg, how do THOSE kids end up in OUR school?". That's very much typical of the people who live in that area. I know, I used to live there, and I moved away not because we couldn't afford it, but because we preferred our mixed race children to not be the only brown kids in their school. That's how I grew up and I didn't want my kids to be othered.

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Anonymous wrote:Time to bring scared straight back into schools.

And Nancy Regan "JUST SAY NO!" Drug-free zones.

I was scared to try anything!

Haha me too!! I thought cigarettes were a drug after D.A.R.E was all the rage!

[Anonymous]

WL (N Arlington) and Wakefield are very diverse. Your kids would have been one of many of their kind. Christ

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Guys. Yes fentanyl is scary but believing ever rumor that comes out about fentanyl is not a way to get across to your kids not to try drugs. Your kid is going to dismiss that because it all sounds ridiculous. Just like I dismissed similar statements about other drugs in the 90s. Learn the facts and be real with your kids.

Also alcohol is more of a gateway drug than Marijuana so be open with your kids about that too.

And for those who blame it on a certain race or income class. I am white. I hade straight As, top of my class in HS, college, and law school. I am an addict (sober since 2003). No one is immune.

What sounds ridiculous?

Other posters already pointed them out. But stuff like police officers ODing from being in the same room or touching one single granule. Or candy being laced with drugs. And I even put Marijuana laced with fent on this list because the sources have been sketchy.

Yes, fentanyl is scary and can be deadly but we have to be honest with kids and not jump to these rumors because it will turn them off from listening at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WL (N Arlington) and Wakefield are very diverse. Your kids would have been one of many of their kind. Christ

Yorktown has a drug problem too

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Guys. Yes fentanyl is scary but believing ever rumor that comes out about fentanyl is not a way to get across to your kids not to try drugs. Your kid is going to dismiss that because it all sounds ridiculous. Just like I dismissed similar statements about other drugs in the 90s. Learn the facts and be real with your kids.

Also alcohol is more of a gateway drug than Marijuana so be open with your kids about that too.

And for those who blame it on a certain race or income class. I am white. I hade straight As, top of my class in HS, college, and law school. I am an addict (sober since 2003). No one is immune.

What sounds ridiculous?

Other posters already pointed them out. But stuff like police officers ODing from being in the same room or touching one single granule. Or candy being laced with drugs. And I even put Marijuana laced with fent on this list because the sources have been sketchy.

Yes, fentanyl is scary and can be deadly but we have to be honest with kids and not jump to these rumors because it will turn them off from listening at all.

Sorry, but I personally witnessed the video where a cop keeled over due to fentanyl that she had not touched. Thanks to narcan, a colleague saved her life. It’s not a myth. Maybe you can find it if you want to.

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Anonymous wrote:WL (N Arlington) and Wakefield are very diverse. Your kids would have been one of many of their kind. Christ

Yorktown has a drug problem too

No one can name a high school that doesn’t have a drug problem. Our kids our in crisis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do parents who’d have kids who do this stuff afford Arlington?

The fact that you would make this statement says a lot about the lack of education around drug use risk. The more sheltered you are the higher your risk are of being subjective to this type of thing. Sorry but no one is immune regardless of Socio ecomomic status.

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Anonymous wrote:Time to bring scared straight back into schools.

And Nancy Regan "JUST SAY NO!" Drug-free zones.

I was scared to try anything!

Yes, Yes, and Yes. I remember the Just Say No campaign in the 80s and it made a difference for me, as well as the Scared Straight program where they bought inmates to talk to our elementary class on how drug use ended them up in jail. Let's just continue to shelter our kids and see how far we get. I have already showed by 8 year old pictures online of the rainbow fentanyl that look like candy and infused gummies,as I am true believer that educating does help deter. I am sorry but the message has to be "drugs kill" end of story.

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Anonymous wrote:Guys. Yes fentanyl is scary but believing ever rumor that comes out about fentanyl is not a way to get across to your kids not to try drugs. Your kid is going to dismiss that because it all sounds ridiculous. Just like I dismissed similar statements about other drugs in the 90s. Learn the facts and be real with your kids.

Also alcohol is more of a gateway drug than Marijuana so be open with your kids about that too.

And for those who blame it on a certain race or income class. I am white. I hade straight As, top of my class in HS, college, and law school. I am an addict (sober since 2003). No one is immune.

What sounds ridiculous?

Other posters already pointed them out. But stuff like police officers ODing from being in the same room or touching one single granule. Or candy being laced with drugs. And I even put Marijuana laced with fent on this list because the sources have been sketchy.

Yes, fentanyl is scary and can be deadly but we have to be honest with kids and not jump to these rumors because it will turn them off from listening at all.

Sorry, but I personally witnessed the video where a cop keeled over due to fentanyl that she had not touched. Thanks to narcan, a colleague saved her life. It’s not a myth. Maybe you can find it if you want to.

You do realize doctors and pharmacists are around fent every day. I gave it to my mom when she was dying. Videos can be faked or not be accurate.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/22/media/fentanyl-exposures-reliable-sources/index.html

Wen explained that opioids "are not well-absorbed through the skin except through prolonged exposure" and, outside biowarfare situations, are "not aerosolized and inhaled through the air."

Data also suggests that first responders featured in such stories have likely not suffered a fentanyl overdose. A 2021 research paper published in the International Journal of Drug Policy said the symptoms described in hundreds of accounts of first responders who reportedly overdosed on opioids tend to match the symptoms of panic or anxiety attacks, rather than those associated with fentanyl overdoses. And, critically, it found there are no confirmed cases of an officer having an overdose after touching fentanyl.

Reports involving first responders who sought medical care following exposure generally did not find opioids in their system," Wen said. "Much of the time, their symptoms were consistent with panic attacks (i.e. shortness of breath manifesting as gasping for breath--versus opioid overdose results in loss of consciousness that then depresses respiration)."

Another article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/13/magazine/police-fentanyl-exposure-videos.html

Last month, a 33-year-old clinical toxicologist and emergency-medicine pharmacist named Ryan Feldman co-published a case study about the time he accidentally spilled a mammoth dose of pure liquid fentanyl all over himself at work; he simply washed it off, with no adverse effects.

It’s not that the symptoms seen on video are feigned. Some psychologists suggest a kind of “mass psychogenic illness” is afoot, or a form of conversion disorder — neurological symptoms without a clear physical cause — or, potentially, simple panic attacks. Police officers have been told, by authorities including the Drug Enforcement Administration, that microscopic amounts of fentanyl can be deadly; they are taught to fear this substance. Their bodies may react accordingly, exhibiting symptoms, like rapid breathing, that are indicative of distress and panic. (Fentanyl produces the exact opposite effect; high doses result in slow and shallow breaths.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guys. Yes fentanyl is scary but believing ever rumor that comes out about fentanyl is not a way to get across to your kids not to try drugs. Your kid is going to dismiss that because it all sounds ridiculous. Just like I dismissed similar statements about other drugs in the 90s. Learn the facts and be real with your kids.

Also alcohol is more of a gateway drug than Marijuana so be open with your kids about that too.

And for those who blame it on a certain race or income class. I am white. I hade straight As, top of my class in HS, college, and law school. I am an addict (sober since 2003). No one is immune.

What sounds ridiculous?

Other posters already pointed them out. But stuff like police officers ODing from being in the same room or touching one single granule. Or candy being laced with drugs. And I even put Marijuana laced with fent on this list because the sources have been sketchy.

Yes, fentanyl is scary and can be deadly but we have to be honest with kids and not jump to these rumors because it will turn them off from listening at all.

Sorry, but I personally witnessed the video where a cop keeled over due to fentanyl that she had not touched. Thanks to narcan, a colleague saved her life. It’s not a myth. Maybe you can find it if you want to.

You do realize doctors and pharmacists are around fent every day. I gave it to my mom when she was dying. Videos can be faked or not be accurate.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/22/media/fentanyl-exposures-reliable-sources/index.html

Wen explained that opioids "are not well-absorbed through the skin except through prolonged exposure" and, outside biowarfare situations, are "not aerosolized and inhaled through the air."

Data also suggests that first responders featured in such stories have likely not suffered a fentanyl overdose. A 2021 research paper published in the International Journal of Drug Policy said the symptoms described in hundreds of accounts of first responders who reportedly overdosed on opioids tend to match the symptoms of panic or anxiety attacks, rather than those associated with fentanyl overdoses. And, critically, it found there are no confirmed cases of an officer having an overdose after touching fentanyl.

Reports involving first responders who sought medical care following exposure generally did not find opioids in their system," Wen said. "Much of the time, their symptoms were consistent with panic attacks (i.e. shortness of breath manifesting as gasping for breath--versus opioid overdose results in loss of consciousness that then depresses respiration)."

Another article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/13/magazine/police-fentanyl-exposure-videos.html

Last month, a 33-year-old clinical toxicologist and emergency-medicine pharmacist named Ryan Feldman co-published a case study about the time he accidentally spilled a mammoth dose of pure liquid fentanyl all over himself at work; he simply washed it off, with no adverse effects.

It’s not that the symptoms seen on video are feigned. Some psychologists suggest a kind of “mass psychogenic illness” is afoot, or a form of conversion disorder — neurological symptoms without a clear physical cause — or, potentially, simple panic attacks. Police officers have been told, by authorities including the Drug Enforcement Administration, that microscopic amounts of fentanyl can be deadly; they are taught to fear this substance. Their bodies may react accordingly, exhibiting symptoms, like rapid breathing, that are indicative of distress and panic. (Fentanyl produces the exact opposite effect; high doses result in slow and shallow breaths.)

"I personally witnessed a video"... that is funny.

[Anonymous]

"I personally witnessed a video" of aliens landing in Roswell, NM, too!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guys. Yes fentanyl is scary but believing ever rumor that comes out about fentanyl is not a way to get across to your kids not to try drugs. Your kid is going to dismiss that because it all sounds ridiculous. Just like I dismissed similar statements about other drugs in the 90s. Learn the facts and be real with your kids.

Also alcohol is more of a gateway drug than Marijuana so be open with your kids about that too.

And for those who blame it on a certain race or income class. I am white. I hade straight As, top of my class in HS, college, and law school. I am an addict (sober since 2003). No one is immune.

What sounds ridiculous?

Other posters already pointed them out. But stuff like police officers ODing from being in the same room or touching one single granule. Or candy being laced with drugs. And I even put Marijuana laced with fent on this list because the sources have been sketchy.

Yes, fentanyl is scary and can be deadly but we have to be honest with kids and not jump to these rumors because it will turn them off from listening at all.

Sorry, but I personally witnessed the video where a cop keeled over due to fentanyl that she had not touched. Thanks to narcan, a colleague saved her life. It’s not a myth. Maybe you can find it if you want to.

You do realize doctors and pharmacists are around fent every day. I gave it to my mom when she was dying. Videos can be faked or not be accurate.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/22/media/fentanyl-exposures-reliable-sources/index.html

Wen explained that opioids "are not well-absorbed through the skin except through prolonged exposure" and, outside biowarfare situations, are "not aerosolized and inhaled through the air."

Data also suggests that first responders featured in such stories have likely not suffered a fentanyl overdose. A 2021 research paper published in the International Journal of Drug Policy said the symptoms described in hundreds of accounts of first responders who reportedly overdosed on opioids tend to match the symptoms of panic or anxiety attacks, rather than those associated with fentanyl overdoses. And, critically, it found there are no confirmed cases of an officer having an overdose after touching fentanyl.

Reports involving first responders who sought medical care following exposure generally did not find opioids in their system," Wen said. "Much of the time, their symptoms were consistent with panic attacks (i.e. shortness of breath manifesting as gasping for breath--versus opioid overdose results in loss of consciousness that then depresses respiration)."

Another article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/13/magazine/police-fentanyl-exposure-videos.html

Last month, a 33-year-old clinical toxicologist and emergency-medicine pharmacist named Ryan Feldman co-published a case study about the time he accidentally spilled a mammoth dose of pure liquid fentanyl all over himself at work; he simply washed it off, with no adverse effects.

It’s not that the symptoms seen on video are feigned. Some psychologists suggest a kind of “mass psychogenic illness” is afoot, or a form of conversion disorder — neurological symptoms without a clear physical cause — or, potentially, simple panic attacks. Police officers have been told, by authorities including the Drug Enforcement Administration, that microscopic amounts of fentanyl can be deadly; they are taught to fear this substance. Their bodies may react accordingly, exhibiting symptoms, like rapid breathing, that are indicative of distress and panic. (Fentanyl produces the exact opposite effect; high doses result in slow and shallow breaths.)

"I personally witnessed a video"... that is funny.

I personally witnessed this post on DCUM.