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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Guys. Yes fentanyl is scary but believing ever rumor that comes out about fentanyl is not a way to get across to your kids not to try drugs. Your kid is going to dismiss that because it all sounds ridiculous. Just like I dismissed similar  statements about other drugs in the 90s. Learn the facts and be real with your kids.

Also alcohol is more of a gateway drug than Marijuana so be open with your kids about that too.

And for those who blame it on a certain race or income class. I am white. I hade straight As, top of my class in HS, college, and law school. I am an addict (sober since 2003). No one is immune. [/quote]
What sounds ridiculous?[/quote]

Other posters already pointed them out. But stuff like police officers ODing from being in the same room or touching one single granule. Or candy being laced with drugs. And I even put Marijuana laced with fent on this list because the sources have been sketchy.

Yes, fentanyl is scary and can be deadly but we have to be honest with kids and not jump to these rumors because it will turn them off from listening at all. [/quote]
Sorry, but I personally witnessed the video where a cop keeled over due to fentanyl that she had not touched. Thanks to narcan, a colleague saved her life. It’s not a myth. Maybe you can find it if you want to.[/quote]

You do realize doctors and pharmacists are around fent every day.  I gave it to my mom when she was dying.  Videos can be faked or not be accurate.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/22/media/fentanyl-exposures-reliable-sources/index.html

Wen explained that opioids "are not well-absorbed through the skin except through prolonged exposure" and, outside biowarfare situations, are "not aerosolized and inhaled through the air."

Data also suggests that first responders featured in such stories have likely not suffered a fentanyl overdose. A 2021 research paper published in the International Journal of Drug Policy said the symptoms described in hundreds of accounts of first responders who reportedly overdosed on opioids tend to match the symptoms of panic or anxiety attacks, rather than those associated with fentanyl overdoses. And, critically, it found there are no confirmed cases of an officer having an overdose after touching fentanyl.

Reports involving first responders who sought medical care following exposure generally did not find opioids in their system," Wen said. "Much of the time, their symptoms were consistent with panic attacks (i.e. shortness of breath manifesting as gasping for breath--versus opioid overdose results in loss of consciousness that then depresses respiration)."

Another article: 
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/13/magazine/police-fentanyl-exposure-videos.html

Last month, a 33-year-old clinical toxicologist and emergency-medicine pharmacist named Ryan Feldman co-published a case study about the time he accidentally spilled a mammoth dose of pure liquid fentanyl all over himself at work; he simply washed it off, with no adverse effects.

It’s not that the symptoms seen on video are feigned. Some psychologists suggest a kind of “mass psychogenic illness” is afoot, or a form of conversion disorder — neurological symptoms without a clear physical cause — or, potentially, simple panic attacks. Police officers have been told, by authorities including the Drug Enforcement Administration, that microscopic amounts of fentanyl can be deadly; they are taught to fear this substance. Their bodies may react accordingly, exhibiting symptoms, like rapid breathing, that are indicative of distress and panic. (Fentanyl produces the exact opposite effect; high doses result in slow and shallow breaths.)

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