top business programs for UG, public and private

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:my kid in va from public school, high stats btw

Safeties:
Penn State
VT

Targets:
UVA
UMD
Indiana

Reaches:
USC
NYU
Duke
Cornell
Penn

No safeties on this list.

Safeties are schools like Radford.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an UG business degree and my DS is at an Ivy studying econ. My thoughts are similar to many above, but slightly different.

UG business degrees are usually quite broad-- basically like an MBA, with courses in accounting, marketing, management, finance, etc. and then a major or concentration in one. UG business schools often have a standalone career center, and attract a wide range of firms to do on campus recruiting. If your kid wants to study accounting, marketing, management, etc., then I would look at actual business schools, as they come out trained for those entry level positions, and have a clear on-campus recruiting process for those jobs.

Many top schools don't have business (Wharton is an exception). At those schools, a ton of students study econ and many (possibly the majority) of the econ majors are recruited into a) wall street, and b) consulting. Some high end firms (McKinsey, Bain, etc) have a small number of top20 schools as target schools and it's very difficult to get such positions out of a non-target schools. At my kid's Ivy, more than 25% of graduates go to wall street, consulting, or tech (those are usually computer science majors). However, there's not much of a route into other types of business jobs. That is, industrial firms trying to recruit people into their HR, marketing, etc. jobs don't look to those graduates. A growing exception seems to be accounting-- my kid has had zero accounting courses but is getting internship interviews in accounting firms because accountants are in such short supply. (I would also concur with a pp who said that they will also recruit non-econ majors-- my kid has had a bunch of internship interviews and a lot of the interviewers have other liberal arts degrees, not just econ.).

In sum, my suggestion is:
If you want to go into consulting or wall street and are competitive for a Top 20 school, that is a good option, probaby majoring in econ (or something similar) and not business.


If you go to a non Top 20 school, I think you're better off in a business school (the McKinseys aren't going to target those grads, anyway, and more traditional firms will be looking for business grads, generally speaking). Definitely if you are interested in a university that has a business school, you'll want to major in business rather than econ for the job path and on campus recruiting.

Again part of what you are saying is wrong. Yes Econ at Yale, Princeton, Harvard would do as well as UPenn Wharton, MIT Sloan, Cornell Dyson.

There are 8 schools with undergrad business in T20, and if they do, it's usually better than Econ at the same school.

All of 21 - 25 have undergrad business, and all of them are better than econ at the same school.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have an UG business degree and my DS is at an Ivy studying econ. My thoughts are similar to many above, but slightly different.

UG business degrees are usually quite broad-- basically like an MBA, with courses in accounting, marketing, management, finance, etc. and then a major or concentration in one. UG business schools often have a standalone career center, and attract a wide range of firms to do on campus recruiting. If your kid wants to study accounting, marketing, management, etc., then I would look at actual business schools, as they come out trained for those entry level positions, and have a clear on-campus recruiting process for those jobs.

Many top schools don't have business (Wharton is an exception). At those schools, a ton of students study econ and many (possibly the majority) of the econ majors are recruited into a) wall street, and b) consulting. Some high end firms (McKinsey, Bain, etc) have a small number of top20 schools as target schools and it's very difficult to get such positions out of a non-target schools. At my kid's Ivy, more than 25% of graduates go to wall street, consulting, or tech (those are usually computer science majors). However, there's not much of a route into other types of business jobs. That is, industrial firms trying to recruit people into their HR, marketing, etc. jobs don't look to those graduates. A growing exception seems to be accounting-- my kid has had zero accounting courses but is getting internship interviews in accounting firms because accountants are in such short supply. (I would also concur with a pp who said that they will also recruit non-econ majors-- my kid has had a bunch of internship interviews and a lot of the interviewers have other liberal arts degrees, not just econ.).

In sum, my suggestion is:
If you want to go into consulting or wall street and are competitive for a Top 20 school, that is a good option, probaby majoring in econ (or something similar) and not business.


If you go to a non Top 20 school, I think you're better off in a business school (the McKinseys aren't going to target those grads, anyway, and more traditional firms will be looking for business grads, generally speaking). Definitely if you are interested in a university that has a business school, you'll want to major in business rather than econ for the job path and on campus recruiting.

My daughter is at the Wisconsin School of Business (well-regarded, but not top 20 I don't think) and top grads can and do work for MBB.

[Anonymous]

If the choice is between econ/some other degree at a tippy top school without a business major vs. top UG business school (say, econ at Yale vs. business at Michigan Ross, econ at U Chicago vs. ug business at USC Marshall) you are likely better off going with the former. But if your school of choice DOES have a business school, major.in.business. The recruiting opportunities coming out of say, Michigan Ross or Texas McCombs or Berkeley Haas or NYU Stern vs. majoring in econ in the college of liberal arts/arts and sciences aren't even in the same stratosphere. In fact, at my alma mater (Penn State), economics is more or less known as what you major in if you don't get into Smeal (business school).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the choice is between econ/some other degree at a tippy top school without a business major vs. top UG business school (say, econ at Yale vs. business at Michigan Ross, econ at U Chicago vs. ug business at USC Marshall) you are likely better off going with the former. But if your school of choice DOES have a business school, major.in.business. The recruiting opportunities coming out of say, Michigan Ross or Texas McCombs or Berkeley Haas or NYU Stern vs. majoring in econ in the college of liberal arts/arts and sciences aren't even in the same stratosphere. In fact, at my alma mater (Penn State), economics is more or less known as what you major in if you don't get into Smeal (business school).

Yes, that's because you went to Penn State.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Penn
MIT
Cornell
NYU
Georgetown
Berkeley
UCLA
USC
UVA
UMich

That is my kid’s rough list.

UCLA only offers ECon, not business undergrad. Publics are not direct admit, your kid will need to apply to the biz program after sophomore year at Mich and UVA which is why mine crossed those off the list. UT Austin has strong program and for some strong students direct admit. Too, Rice just added a full biz major I believe.

But overall a good list. Next level down would be

Emory
BC
Villanova
UMiami

Michigan has direct admit. Unless your child attended college a few years ago, your information is outdated.

Are you sure you researched Michigan? Ross is a three year program. That means you applied after your freshman year, not sophomore. In any case, most students are direct admits to Ross. It’s been that way for over 5 years

https://www.michigandaily.com/news/ross-aims-increase-number-pre-admits/

You apply to get into Ross as a direct admit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid in va from public school, high stats btw

Safeties:
Penn State
VT

Targets:
UVA
UMD
Indiana

Reaches:
USC
NYU
Duke
Cornell
Penn

No safeties on this list.

Safeties are schools like Radford.

That s good list. You are fine if your kid is high stat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid in va from public school, high stats btw

Safeties:
Penn State
VT

Targets:
UVA
UMD
Indiana

Reaches:
USC
NYU
Duke
Cornell
Penn

No safeties on this list.

Safeties are schools like Radford.

You're dreaming if you think VT is a safety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the choice is between econ/some other degree at a tippy top school without a business major vs. top UG business school (say, econ at Yale vs. business at Michigan Ross, econ at U Chicago vs. ug business at USC Marshall) you are likely better off going with the former. But if your school of choice DOES have a business school, major.in.business. The recruiting opportunities coming out of say, Michigan Ross or Texas McCombs or Berkeley Haas or NYU Stern vs. majoring in econ in the college of liberal arts/arts and sciences aren't even in the same stratosphere. In fact, at my alma mater (Penn State), economics is more or less known as what you major in if you don't get into Smeal (business school).

Yes, that's because you went to Penn State.

You beat me to it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid in va from public school, high stats btw

Safeties:
Penn State
VT

Targets:
UVA
UMD
Indiana

Reaches:
USC
NYU
Duke
Cornell
Penn

No safeties on this list.

Safeties are schools like Radford.

You're dreaming if you think VT is a safety.

VT has a 65% admin rate.

My kids actually don’t even want to put VT as a safety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the choice is between econ/some other degree at a tippy top school without a business major vs. top UG business school (say, econ at Yale vs. business at Michigan Ross, econ at U Chicago vs. ug business at USC Marshall) you are likely better off going with the former. But if your school of choice DOES have a business school, major.in.business. The recruiting opportunities coming out of say, Michigan Ross or Texas McCombs or Berkeley Haas or NYU Stern vs. majoring in econ in the college of liberal arts/arts and sciences aren't even in the same stratosphere. In fact, at my alma mater (Penn State), economics is more or less known as what you major in if you don't get into Smeal (business school).

Yes, that's because you went to Penn State.

ok, name a school where that isn't the case

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the choice is between econ/some other degree at a tippy top school without a business major vs. top UG business school (say, econ at Yale vs. business at Michigan Ross, econ at U Chicago vs. ug business at USC Marshall) you are likely better off going with the former. But if your school of choice DOES have a business school, major.in.business. The recruiting opportunities coming out of say, Michigan Ross or Texas McCombs or Berkeley Haas or NYU Stern vs. majoring in econ in the college of liberal arts/arts and sciences aren't even in the same stratosphere. In fact, at my alma mater (Penn State), economics is more or less known as what you major in if you don't get into Smeal (business school).

Yes, that's because you went to Penn State.

ok, name a school where that isn't the case

Any T20 with a business school. PP who was UG business and the son at an ivy is spot on. Name brand I-banks and consulting recruit from a select number of schools and care less about major. General industry looking for marketing, prod. Management, accounting, etc recruit regionally from UG business. So if your DC doesn’t get into a tippy toppy school, a UG business program is the way to go. But if they do, any major is fine (although internships or jobs during school do count).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the choice is between econ/some other degree at a tippy top school without a business major vs. top UG business school (say, econ at Yale vs. business at Michigan Ross, econ at U Chicago vs. ug business at USC Marshall) you are likely better off going with the former. But if your school of choice DOES have a business school, major.in.business. The recruiting opportunities coming out of say, Michigan Ross or Texas McCombs or Berkeley Haas or NYU Stern vs. majoring in econ in the college of liberal arts/arts and sciences aren't even in the same stratosphere. In fact, at my alma mater (Penn State), economics is more or less known as what you major in if you don't get into Smeal (business school).

Yes, that's because you went to Penn State.

ok, name a school where that isn't the case

Any T20 with a business school. PP who was UG business and the son at an ivy is spot on. Name brand I-banks and consulting recruit from a select number of schools and care less about major. General industry looking for marketing, prod. Management, accounting, etc recruit regionally from UG business. So if your DC doesn’t get into a tippy toppy school, a UG business program is the way to go. But if they do, any major is fine (although internships or jobs during school do count).

Where would you put Colgate? Not a tippy top school and no UG business program, but they seem to have a strong pipeline to Wall Street.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid in va from public school, high stats btw

Safeties:
Penn State
VT

Targets:
UVA
UMD
Indiana

Reaches:
USC
NYU
Duke
Cornell
Penn

No safeties on this list.

Safeties are schools like Radford.

You're dreaming if you think VT is a safety.

VT might not be given how unpredictable it has become but for a kid this high stats it probably doesn’t need to be Radford either. There are options with reasonably well respected business programs that could serve as additional safeties - Elon, South Carolina, MI State

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IU Kelley school