top business programs for UG, public and private

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Penn
MIT
Cornell
NYU
Georgetown
Berkeley
UCLA
USC
UVA
UMich

That is my kid’s rough list.

I would add Emory, WasU, Notre Dame

UT-Austin. Hottest business school in country right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Penn
MIT
Cornell
NYU
Georgetown
Berkeley
UCLA
USC
UVA
UMich

That is my kid’s rough list.

I would add Emory, WasU, Notre Dame

UT-Austin. Hottest business school in country right now.

What makes you say that?

[Anonymous]

U had to come to DCUM to ask this basic question???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Penn
MIT
Cornell
NYU
Georgetown
Berkeley
UCLA
USC
UVA
UMich

That is my kid’s rough list.

I would add Emory, WasU, Notre Dame

UT-Austin. Hottest business school in country right now.

What makes you say that?

Highest avg daily temperatures among the top 30 business schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate business rankings are completely worthless. Not a single soul who actually works in business takes them seriously.

Saw a guy begging for money at traffic light with Wharton business sweater - looks like you maybe right.

I saw someone dumpster diving while wearing Columbia pajamas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here! thanks to all who commented. You offered a lot of interesting perspectives - certainly we do not wish to "pigeon hole" DS into business at the ripe old age of 14, we just want to support his interests and help build towards his goals for higher education. The comments regarding economics v business for undergrad are worth considering, and we'll add this to our list. similarly, I was surprised that some of the top business grad programs do not have UG business programs (vanderbilt, duke). Food for thought before we plunk down $$$ in a few years.
thanks again!

Most top business graduate programs don’t offer it at the undergraduate level. Btw, Duke and Vanderbilt are not top tier in business.

+1. Duke and Vandy are not top tier in business.

OP, look to the M7. They're top dogs in the business world, and only two (Penn Wharton and MIT Sloan) offer an undergrad business major.

[Anonymous]

The only website I have seen with good undergraduate information is Poetsandquants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here! thanks to all who commented. You offered a lot of interesting perspectives - certainly we do not wish to "pigeon hole" DS into business at the ripe old age of 14, we just want to support his interests and help build towards his goals for higher education. The comments regarding economics v business for undergrad are worth considering, and we'll add this to our list. similarly, I was surprised that some of the top business grad programs do not have UG business programs (vanderbilt, duke). Food for thought before we plunk down $$$ in a few years.
thanks again!

Most top business graduate programs don’t offer it at the undergraduate level. Btw, Duke and Vanderbilt are not top tier in business.

+1. Duke and Vandy are not top tier in business.

OP, look to the M7. They're top dogs in the business world, and only two (Penn Wharton and MIT Sloan) offer an undergrad business major.

So Duke and Vandy even have undergrad business?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here! thanks to all who commented. You offered a lot of interesting perspectives - certainly we do not wish to "pigeon hole" DS into business at the ripe old age of 14, we just want to support his interests and help build towards his goals for higher education. The comments regarding economics v business for undergrad are worth considering, and we'll add this to our list. similarly, I was surprised that some of the top business grad programs do not have UG business programs (vanderbilt, duke). Food for thought before we plunk down $$$ in a few years.
thanks again!

Most top business graduate programs don’t offer it at the undergraduate level. Btw, Duke and Vanderbilt are not top tier in business.

+1. Duke and Vandy are not top tier in business.

OP, look to the M7. They're top dogs in the business world, and only two (Penn Wharton and MIT Sloan) offer an undergrad business major.

So Duke and Vandy even have undergrad business?

No.

Vandy offers Business minor along with Economics.

Duke Economics is great, but no dedicated undergrad business.

[Anonymous]

I think this is the most important ranking for undergrad business

Career Outcomes Data & Results ranking:

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/rankings/best-undergraduate-business-schools-business-school-rankings/4/

[Anonymous]

my kid in va from public school, high stats btw

Safeties:
Penn State
VT

Targets:
UVA
UMD
Indiana

Reaches:
USC
NYU
Duke
Cornell
Penn

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:my kid in va from public school, high stats btw

Safeties:
Penn State
VT

Targets:
UVA
UMD
Indiana

Reaches:
USC
NYU
Duke
Cornell
Penn

Duke doesn't have business

[Anonymous]

I have an UG business degree and my DS is at an Ivy studying econ. My thoughts are similar to many above, but slightly different.

UG business degrees are usually quite broad-- basically like an MBA, with courses in accounting, marketing, management, finance, etc. and then a major or concentration in one. UG business schools often have a standalone career center, and attract a wide range of firms to do on campus recruiting. If your kid wants to study accounting, marketing, management, etc., then I would look at actual business schools, as they come out trained for those entry level positions, and have a clear on-campus recruiting process for those jobs.

Many top schools don't have business (Wharton is an exception). At those schools, a ton of students study econ and many (possibly the majority) of the econ majors are recruited into a) wall street, and b) consulting. Some high end firms (McKinsey, Bain, etc) have a small number of top20 schools as target schools and it's very difficult to get such positions out of a non-target schools. At my kid's Ivy, more than 25% of graduates go to wall street, consulting, or tech (those are usually computer science majors). However, there's not much of a route into other types of business jobs. That is, industrial firms trying to recruit people into their HR, marketing, etc. jobs don't look to those graduates. A growing exception seems to be accounting-- my kid has had zero accounting courses but is getting internship interviews in accounting firms because accountants are in such short supply. (I would also concur with a pp who said that they will also recruit non-econ majors-- my kid has had a bunch of internship interviews and a lot of the interviewers have other liberal arts degrees, not just econ.).

In sum, my suggestion is:
If you want to go into consulting or wall street and are competitive for a Top 20 school, that is a good option, probaby majoring in econ (or something similar) and not business.


If you go to a non Top 20 school, I think you're better off in a business school (the McKinseys aren't going to target those grads, anyway, and more traditional firms will be looking for business grads, generally speaking). Definitely if you are interested in a university that has a business school, you'll want to major in business rather than econ for the job path and on campus recruiting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have an UG business degree and my DS is at an Ivy studying econ. My thoughts are similar to many above, but slightly different.

UG business degrees are usually quite broad-- basically like an MBA, with courses in accounting, marketing, management, finance, etc. and then a major or concentration in one. UG business schools often have a standalone career center, and attract a wide range of firms to do on campus recruiting. If your kid wants to study accounting, marketing, management, etc., then I would look at actual business schools, as they come out trained for those entry level positions, and have a clear on-campus recruiting process for those jobs.

Many top schools don't have business (Wharton is an exception). At those schools, a ton of students study econ and many (possibly the majority) of the econ majors are recruited into a) wall street, and b) consulting. Some high end firms (McKinsey, Bain, etc) have a small number of top20 schools as target schools and it's very difficult to get such positions out of a non-target schools. At my kid's Ivy, more than 25% of graduates go to wall street, consulting, or tech (those are usually computer science majors). However, there's not much of a route into other types of business jobs. That is, industrial firms trying to recruit people into their HR, marketing, etc. jobs don't look to those graduates. A growing exception seems to be accounting-- my kid has had zero accounting courses but is getting internship interviews in accounting firms because accountants are in such short supply. (I would also concur with a pp who said that they will also recruit non-econ majors-- my kid has had a bunch of internship interviews and a lot of the interviewers have other liberal arts degrees, not just econ.).

In sum, my suggestion is:
If you want to go into consulting or wall street and are competitive for a Top 20 school, that is a good option, probaby majoring in econ (or something similar) and not business.


If you go to a non Top 20 school, I think you're better off in a business school (the McKinseys aren't going to target those grads, anyway, and more traditional firms will be looking for business grads, generally speaking). Definitely if you are interested in a university that has a business school, you'll want to major in business rather than econ for the job path and on campus recruiting.

Again part of what you are saying is wrong. Yes Econ at Yale, Princeton, Harvard would do as well as UPenn Wharton, MIT Sloan, Cornell Dyson.

There are 8 schools with undergrad business in T20, and if they do, it's usually better than Econ at the same school.

All of 21 - 25 have undergrad business, and all of them are better than econ at the same school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an UG business degree and my DS is at an Ivy studying econ. My thoughts are similar to many above, but slightly different.

UG business degrees are usually quite broad-- basically like an MBA, with courses in accounting, marketing, management, finance, etc. and then a major or concentration in one. UG business schools often have a standalone career center, and attract a wide range of firms to do on campus recruiting. If your kid wants to study accounting, marketing, management, etc., then I would look at actual business schools, as they come out trained for those entry level positions, and have a clear on-campus recruiting process for those jobs.

Many top schools don't have business (Wharton is an exception). At those schools, a ton of students study econ and many (possibly the majority) of the econ majors are recruited into a) wall street, and b) consulting. Some high end firms (McKinsey, Bain, etc) have a small number of top20 schools as target schools and it's very difficult to get such positions out of a non-target schools. At my kid's Ivy, more than 25% of graduates go to wall street, consulting, or tech (those are usually computer science majors). However, there's not much of a route into other types of business jobs. That is, industrial firms trying to recruit people into their HR, marketing, etc. jobs don't look to those graduates. A growing exception seems to be accounting-- my kid has had zero accounting courses but is getting internship interviews in accounting firms because accountants are in such short supply. (I would also concur with a pp who said that they will also recruit non-econ majors-- my kid has had a bunch of internship interviews and a lot of the interviewers have other liberal arts degrees, not just econ.).

In sum, my suggestion is:
If you want to go into consulting or wall street and are competitive for a Top 20 school, that is a good option, probaby majoring in econ (or something similar) and not business.


If you go to a non Top 20 school, I think you're better off in a business school (the McKinseys aren't going to target those grads, anyway, and more traditional firms will be looking for business grads, generally speaking). Definitely if you are interested in a university that has a business school, you'll want to major in business rather than econ for the job path and on campus recruiting.

Again part of what you are saying is wrong. Yes Econ at Yale, Princeton, Harvard would do as well as UPenn Wharton, MIT Sloan, Cornell Dyson.

There are 8 schools with undergrad business in T20, and if they do, it's usually better than Econ at the same school.


All of 21 - 25 have undergrad business, and all of them are better than econ at the same school.

In fact, Brown and CalTech has almost Business majors.

I would say half of T20 have undergrad business.
If the school have business major, it's usually harder to get in and better outcomes.