Why Isn’t Marie Reed in Boundary for Deal or Hardy?

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Anonymous wrote:A good way to keep diversity at Hardy, deal, and JR while reducing overcrowding would be to end feeder rights. If you get in to hyde-addison for Pre-K, it shouldn't guarantee you a space through 12th grade. There are families that can't get a little kid across town but would enter the middle school or HS lottery.

I would agree and it would also allow Deal and JR to be able to take kids in from lottery using at risk preference and the kids would largely be old enough to take metro to school. You end OOB rights, you automatically make almost all the kids that come in through literary diverse both racially and economically.

What? That doesn't make any sense. The lottery is a lottery, not a quota system. In no way would it "automatically make almost all the kids" that win economically and racially diverse.

There are some deeply unserious people on this board.

You clearly don’t know how the at risk set aside rule works.

Deal is currently 22% OOB. Fair to say since only 1-2 kids a week come in from the lottery, all of those OOB kids are coming from having feeder rights.

I’d Deal ended their OOB feeder rights today, they would then have 300 lottery spots they could make available next year. If they have at risk preference, they could do it where 100% of those spots go to at risk kids.

Deal's building capacity is 1200 and it sits around 1450-1475 enrolled. Removing OOB feeder rights would not open up 300 lottery spots, it would simply remove 250-275 kids from attendance. And even if you did not realize that Deal is overcrowded, then you should know that the at-risk preference is not 100 percent of the lottery seats offered. Anywhere. Like I said, deeply unserious people posting here.

Deal’s permanent building capacity is 1370. With trailers it’s 1645.

If you remove the 307 OOB students (largely non at-risk students based on feeder schools’ at risk #s), you’d have 1089 IB students left at Deal.

Just using permanent space open that leaves 281 open spots to put in the lottery.

If Deal lottery has 25% at risk set aside, you’d now have 70 at risk kids that can get in from lottery. The remaining 211 lottery spots will be a mix of at risk and non at risk students. If DCPS added another status preference of “feeder school” some could get to Deal that went to a feeder school.

So you removed 307 kids to guarantee at least 70 at risk kids.

This sceenioe doesn’t even account for the kids that move OOB after starting Deal and look on paper as IB when they’re not.

So…who’s not being serious??

I'm confused. What would be accomplished with all this shuffling around?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A good way to keep diversity at Hardy, deal, and JR while reducing overcrowding would be to end feeder rights. If you get in to hyde-addison for Pre-K, it shouldn't guarantee you a space through 12th grade. There are families that can't get a little kid across town but would enter the middle school or HS lottery.

I would agree and it would also allow Deal and JR to be able to take kids in from lottery using at risk preference and the kids would largely be old enough to take metro to school. You end OOB rights, you automatically make almost all the kids that come in through literary diverse both racially and economically.

What? That doesn't make any sense. The lottery is a lottery, not a quota system. In no way would it "automatically make almost all the kids" that win economically and racially diverse.

There are some deeply unserious people on this board.

You clearly don’t know how the at risk set aside rule works.

Deal is currently 22% OOB. Fair to say since only 1-2 kids a week come in from the lottery, all of those OOB kids are coming from having feeder rights.

I’d Deal ended their OOB feeder rights today, they would then have 300 lottery spots they could make available next year. If they have at risk preference, they could do it where 100% of those spots go to at risk kids.

Deal's building capacity is 1200 and it sits around 1450-1475 enrolled. Removing OOB feeder rights would not open up 300 lottery spots, it would simply remove 250-275 kids from attendance. And even if you did not realize that Deal is overcrowded, then you should know that the at-risk preference is not 100 percent of the lottery seats offered. Anywhere. Like I said, deeply unserious people posting here.

Deal’s permanent building capacity is 1370. With trailers it’s 1645.

If you remove the 307 OOB students (largely non at-risk students based on feeder schools’ at risk #s), you’d have 1089 IB students left at Deal.

Just using permanent space open that leaves 281 open spots to put in the lottery.

If Deal lottery has 25% at risk set aside, you’d now have 70 at risk kids that can get in from lottery. The remaining 211 lottery spots will be a mix of at risk and non at risk students. If DCPS added another status preference of “feeder school” some could get to Deal that went to a feeder school.

So you removed 307 kids to guarantee at least 70 at risk kids.

This sceenioe doesn’t even account for the kids that move OOB after starting Deal and look on paper as IB when they’re not.

So…who’s not being serious??

I'm confused. What would be accomplished with all this shuffling around?

Shuffling PP gets another bite at the apple for their kid, which is their only goal. Screw the OOB kids that now have no good pathway, Larlo needs to be #1. 211 lottery spots to apply for OOB instead of the <10 that usually appear at Deal. It's pointless, selfish, and based on the truly idiotic premise that Deal is currently undersubscribed.

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Anonymous wrote:A good way to keep diversity at Hardy, deal, and JR while reducing overcrowding would be to end feeder rights. If you get in to hyde-addison for Pre-K, it shouldn't guarantee you a space through 12th grade. There are families that can't get a little kid across town but would enter the middle school or HS lottery.

I would agree and it would also allow Deal and JR to be able to take kids in from lottery using at risk preference and the kids would largely be old enough to take metro to school. You end OOB rights, you automatically make almost all the kids that come in through literary diverse both racially and economically.

What? That doesn't make any sense. The lottery is a lottery, not a quota system. In no way would it "automatically make almost all the kids" that win economically and racially diverse.

There are some deeply unserious people on this board.

You clearly don’t know how the at risk set aside rule works.

Deal is currently 22% OOB. Fair to say since only 1-2 kids a week come in from the lottery, all of those OOB kids are coming from having feeder rights.

I’d Deal ended their OOB feeder rights today, they would then have 300 lottery spots they could make available next year. If they have at risk preference, they could do it where 100% of those spots go to at risk kids.

Deal's building capacity is 1200 and it sits around 1450-1475 enrolled. Removing OOB feeder rights would not open up 300 lottery spots, it would simply remove 250-275 kids from attendance. And even if you did not realize that Deal is overcrowded, then you should know that the at-risk preference is not 100 percent of the lottery seats offered. Anywhere. Like I said, deeply unserious people posting here.

Deal’s permanent building capacity is 1370. With trailers it’s 1645.

If you remove the 307 OOB students (largely non at-risk students based on feeder schools’ at risk #s), you’d have 1089 IB students left at Deal.

Just using permanent space open that leaves 281 open spots to put in the lottery.

If Deal lottery has 25% at risk set aside, you’d now have 70 at risk kids that can get in from lottery. The remaining 211 lottery spots will be a mix of at risk and non at risk students. If DCPS added another status preference of “feeder school” some could get to Deal that went to a feeder school.

So you removed 307 kids to guarantee at least 70 at risk kids.

This sceenioe doesn’t even account for the kids that move OOB after starting Deal and look on paper as IB when they’re not.

So…who’s not being serious??

No dog in this fight (IB for deal/JR), but this is a clown suggestion.

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Anonymous wrote:A good way to keep diversity at Hardy, deal, and JR while reducing overcrowding would be to end feeder rights. If you get in to hyde-addison for Pre-K, it shouldn't guarantee you a space through 12th grade. There are families that can't get a little kid across town but would enter the middle school or HS lottery.

I would agree and it would also allow Deal and JR to be able to take kids in from lottery using at risk preference and the kids would largely be old enough to take metro to school. You end OOB rights, you automatically make almost all the kids that come in through literary diverse both racially and economically.

What? That doesn't make any sense. The lottery is a lottery, not a quota system. In no way would it "automatically make almost all the kids" that win economically and racially diverse.

There are some deeply unserious people on this board.

You clearly don’t know how the at risk set aside rule works.

Deal is currently 22% OOB. Fair to say since only 1-2 kids a week come in from the lottery, all of those OOB kids are coming from having feeder rights.

I’d Deal ended their OOB feeder rights today, they would then have 300 lottery spots they could make available next year. If they have at risk preference, they could do it where 100% of those spots go to at risk kids.

Deal's building capacity is 1200 and it sits around 1450-1475 enrolled. Removing OOB feeder rights would not open up 300 lottery spots, it would simply remove 250-275 kids from attendance. And even if you did not realize that Deal is overcrowded, then you should know that the at-risk preference is not 100 percent of the lottery seats offered. Anywhere. Like I said, deeply unserious people posting here.

Deal’s permanent building capacity is 1370. With trailers it’s 1645.

If you remove the 307 OOB students (largely non at-risk students based on feeder schools’ at risk #s), you’d have 1089 IB students left at Deal.

Just using permanent space open that leaves 281 open spots to put in the lottery.

If Deal lottery has 25% at risk set aside, you’d now have 70 at risk kids that can get in from lottery. The remaining 211 lottery spots will be a mix of at risk and non at risk students. If DCPS added another status preference of “feeder school” some could get to Deal that went to a feeder school.

So you removed 307 kids to guarantee at least 70 at risk kids.

This sceenioe doesn’t even account for the kids that move OOB after starting Deal and look on paper as IB when they’re not.

So…who’s not being serious??

I'm confused. What would be accomplished with all this shuffling around?

* More opportunity for at-risk kids to get entry to desirable middle and high schools, even if their families couldn't get them across town in younger grades
* More incentive for people to stay at their IB elementary (because they won't get a MS or HS feed by lotterying in to a feeder)
* Easier record-keeping to keep families who used to live IB for a school but moved after a few months or years from getting into the feeder--everyone will have to prove residency when they enroll in the MS or HS, unless they get a seat through the lottery
* Better ability to keep the more desirable middle and high schools at capacity rather than over capacity

The OOB lottery preference order can be
1. at risk, sibling enrolled, feeder
2. at risk, sibling enrolled, no feeder
3. at risk, no sibling enrolled, no feeder
4. not at risk, sibling enrolled, feeder
5. not at risk, no sibling enrolled, feeder
6. not at risk, no sibling enrolled, no feeder

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A good way to keep diversity at Hardy, deal, and JR while reducing overcrowding would be to end feeder rights. If you get in to hyde-addison for Pre-K, it shouldn't guarantee you a space through 12th grade. There are families that can't get a little kid across town but would enter the middle school or HS lottery.

I would agree and it would also allow Deal and JR to be able to take kids in from lottery using at risk preference and the kids would largely be old enough to take metro to school. You end OOB rights, you automatically make almost all the kids that come in through literary diverse both racially and economically.

What? That doesn't make any sense. The lottery is a lottery, not a quota system. In no way would it "automatically make almost all the kids" that win economically and racially diverse.

There are some deeply unserious people on this board.

You clearly don’t know how the at risk set aside rule works.

Deal is currently 22% OOB. Fair to say since only 1-2 kids a week come in from the lottery, all of those OOB kids are coming from having feeder rights.

I’d Deal ended their OOB feeder rights today, they would then have 300 lottery spots they could make available next year. If they have at risk preference, they could do it where 100% of those spots go to at risk kids.

Deal's building capacity is 1200 and it sits around 1450-1475 enrolled. Removing OOB feeder rights would not open up 300 lottery spots, it would simply remove 250-275 kids from attendance. And even if you did not realize that Deal is overcrowded, then you should know that the at-risk preference is not 100 percent of the lottery seats offered. Anywhere. Like I said, deeply unserious people posting here.

Deal’s permanent building capacity is 1370. With trailers it’s 1645.

If you remove the 307 OOB students (largely non at-risk students based on feeder schools’ at risk #s), you’d have 1089 IB students left at Deal.

Just using permanent space open that leaves 281 open spots to put in the lottery.

If Deal lottery has 25% at risk set aside, you’d now have 70 at risk kids that can get in from lottery. The remaining 211 lottery spots will be a mix of at risk and non at risk students. If DCPS added another status preference of “feeder school” some could get to Deal that went to a feeder school.

So you removed 307 kids to guarantee at least 70 at risk kids.

This sceenioe doesn’t even account for the kids that move OOB after starting Deal and look on paper as IB when they’re not.

So…who’s not being serious??

No dog in this fight (IB for deal/JR), but this is a clown suggestion.

It hasn't been that long that winning the lottery in PK4 gave you the feeder pattern through 12th--when Rhee came in, it just gave you through the terminal year in a school. It was changed under her leadership. It's time to change it back.

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Anonymous wrote:A good way to keep diversity at Hardy, deal, and JR while reducing overcrowding would be to end feeder rights. If you get in to hyde-addison for Pre-K, it shouldn't guarantee you a space through 12th grade. There are families that can't get a little kid across town but would enter the middle school or HS lottery.

I would agree and it would also allow Deal and JR to be able to take kids in from lottery using at risk preference and the kids would largely be old enough to take metro to school. You end OOB rights, you automatically make almost all the kids that come in through literary diverse both racially and economically.

What? That doesn't make any sense. The lottery is a lottery, not a quota system. In no way would it "automatically make almost all the kids" that win economically and racially diverse.

There are some deeply unserious people on this board.

You clearly don’t know how the at risk set aside rule works.

Deal is currently 22% OOB. Fair to say since only 1-2 kids a week come in from the lottery, all of those OOB kids are coming from having feeder rights.

I’d Deal ended their OOB feeder rights today, they would then have 300 lottery spots they could make available next year. If they have at risk preference, they could do it where 100% of those spots go to at risk kids.

Deal's building capacity is 1200 and it sits around 1450-1475 enrolled. Removing OOB feeder rights would not open up 300 lottery spots, it would simply remove 250-275 kids from attendance. And even if you did not realize that Deal is overcrowded, then you should know that the at-risk preference is not 100 percent of the lottery seats offered. Anywhere. Like I said, deeply unserious people posting here.

Deal’s permanent building capacity is 1370. With trailers it’s 1645.

If you remove the 307 OOB students (largely non at-risk students based on feeder schools’ at risk #s), you’d have 1089 IB students left at Deal.

Just using permanent space open that leaves 281 open spots to put in the lottery.

If Deal lottery has 25% at risk set aside, you’d now have 70 at risk kids that can get in from lottery. The remaining 211 lottery spots will be a mix of at risk and non at risk students. If DCPS added another status preference of “feeder school” some could get to Deal that went to a feeder school.

So you removed 307 kids to guarantee at least 70 at risk kids.

This sceenioe doesn’t even account for the kids that move OOB after starting Deal and look on paper as IB when they’re not.

So…who’s not being serious??

I'm confused. What would be accomplished with all this shuffling around?

* More opportunity for at-risk kids to get entry to desirable middle and high schools, even if their families couldn't get them across town in younger grades
* More incentive for people to stay at their IB elementary (because they won't get a MS or HS feed by lotterying in to a feeder)
* Easier record-keeping to keep families who used to live IB for a school but moved after a few months or years from getting into the feeder--everyone will have to prove residency when they enroll in the MS or HS, unless they get a seat through the lottery
* Better ability to keep the more desirable middle and high schools at capacity rather than over capacity

The OOB lottery preference order can be
1. at risk, sibling enrolled, feeder
2. at risk, sibling enrolled, no feeder
3. at risk, no sibling enrolled, no feeder
4. not at risk, sibling enrolled, feeder
5. not at risk, no sibling enrolled, feeder
6. not at risk, no sibling enrolled, no feeder

This is absurd. More finagling of a messed up system. The best solution is to improve schools, starting with DCPS administration. If more schools were reliable -- and quite a few more than just Deal and J-R are decent -- then these lottery complications would matter a lot less.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A good way to keep diversity at Hardy, deal, and JR while reducing overcrowding would be to end feeder rights. If you get in to hyde-addison for Pre-K, it shouldn't guarantee you a space through 12th grade. There are families that can't get a little kid across town but would enter the middle school or HS lottery.

I would agree and it would also allow Deal and JR to be able to take kids in from lottery using at risk preference and the kids would largely be old enough to take metro to school. You end OOB rights, you automatically make almost all the kids that come in through literary diverse both racially and economically.

What? That doesn't make any sense. The lottery is a lottery, not a quota system. In no way would it "automatically make almost all the kids" that win economically and racially diverse.

There are some deeply unserious people on this board.

You clearly don’t know how the at risk set aside rule works.

Deal is currently 22% OOB. Fair to say since only 1-2 kids a week come in from the lottery, all of those OOB kids are coming from having feeder rights.

I’d Deal ended their OOB feeder rights today, they would then have 300 lottery spots they could make available next year. If they have at risk preference, they could do it where 100% of those spots go to at risk kids.

Deal's building capacity is 1200 and it sits around 1450-1475 enrolled. Removing OOB feeder rights would not open up 300 lottery spots, it would simply remove 250-275 kids from attendance. And even if you did not realize that Deal is overcrowded, then you should know that the at-risk preference is not 100 percent of the lottery seats offered. Anywhere. Like I said, deeply unserious people posting here.

Deal’s permanent building capacity is 1370. With trailers it’s 1645.

If you remove the 307 OOB students (largely non at-risk students based on feeder schools’ at risk #s), you’d have 1089 IB students left at Deal.

Just using permanent space open that leaves 281 open spots to put in the lottery.

If Deal lottery has 25% at risk set aside, you’d now have 70 at risk kids that can get in from lottery. The remaining 211 lottery spots will be a mix of at risk and non at risk students. If DCPS added another status preference of “feeder school” some could get to Deal that went to a feeder school.

So you removed 307 kids to guarantee at least 70 at risk kids.

This sceenioe doesn’t even account for the kids that move OOB after starting Deal and look on paper as IB when they’re not.

So…who’s not being serious??

I'm confused. What would be accomplished with all this shuffling around?

* More opportunity for at-risk kids to get entry to desirable middle and high schools, even if their families couldn't get them across town in younger grades
* More incentive for people to stay at their IB elementary (because they won't get a MS or HS feed by lotterying in to a feeder)
* Easier record-keeping to keep families who used to live IB for a school but moved after a few months or years from getting into the feeder--everyone will have to prove residency when they enroll in the MS or HS, unless they get a seat through the lottery
* Better ability to keep the more desirable middle and high schools at capacity rather than over capacity

The OOB lottery preference order can be
1. at risk, sibling enrolled, feeder
2. at risk, sibling enrolled, no feeder
3. at risk, no sibling enrolled, no feeder
4. not at risk, sibling enrolled, feeder
5. not at risk, no sibling enrolled, feeder
6. not at risk, no sibling enrolled, no feeder

This is absurd. More finagling of a messed up system. The best solution is to improve schools, starting with DCPS administration. If more schools were reliable -- and quite a few more than just Deal and J-R are decent -- then these lottery complications would matter a lot less.

I also still don’t see the point. If it’s to increase at risk oob kids, then. Have an at risk preference in elementary. This just looks like chaos to me.

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Anonymous wrote:A good way to keep diversity at Hardy, deal, and JR while reducing overcrowding would be to end feeder rights. If you get in to hyde-addison for Pre-K, it shouldn't guarantee you a space through 12th grade. There are families that can't get a little kid across town but would enter the middle school or HS lottery.

I would agree and it would also allow Deal and JR to be able to take kids in from lottery using at risk preference and the kids would largely be old enough to take metro to school. You end OOB rights, you automatically make almost all the kids that come in through literary diverse both racially and economically.

What? That doesn't make any sense. The lottery is a lottery, not a quota system. In no way would it "automatically make almost all the kids" that win economically and racially diverse.

There are some deeply unserious people on this board.

You clearly don’t know how the at risk set aside rule works.

Deal is currently 22% OOB. Fair to say since only 1-2 kids a week come in from the lottery, all of those OOB kids are coming from having feeder rights.

I’d Deal ended their OOB feeder rights today, they would then have 300 lottery spots they could make available next year. If they have at risk preference, they could do it where 100% of those spots go to at risk kids.

Deal's building capacity is 1200 and it sits around 1450-1475 enrolled. Removing OOB feeder rights would not open up 300 lottery spots, it would simply remove 250-275 kids from attendance. And even if you did not realize that Deal is overcrowded, then you should know that the at-risk preference is not 100 percent of the lottery seats offered. Anywhere. Like I said, deeply unserious people posting here.

Deal’s permanent building capacity is 1370. With trailers it’s 1645.

If you remove the 307 OOB students (largely non at-risk students based on feeder schools’ at risk #s), you’d have 1089 IB students left at Deal.

Just using permanent space open that leaves 281 open spots to put in the lottery.

If Deal lottery has 25% at risk set aside, you’d now have 70 at risk kids that can get in from lottery. The remaining 211 lottery spots will be a mix of at risk and non at risk students. If DCPS added another status preference of “feeder school” some could get to Deal that went to a feeder school.

So you removed 307 kids to guarantee at least 70 at risk kids.

This sceenioe doesn’t even account for the kids that move OOB after starting Deal and look on paper as IB when they’re not.

So…who’s not being serious??

I'm confused. What would be accomplished with all this shuffling around?

* More opportunity for at-risk kids to get entry to desirable middle and high schools, even if their families couldn't get them across town in younger grades
* More incentive for people to stay at their IB elementary (because they won't get a MS or HS feed by lotterying in to a feeder)
* Easier record-keeping to keep families who used to live IB for a school but moved after a few months or years from getting into the feeder--everyone will have to prove residency when they enroll in the MS or HS, unless they get a seat through the lottery
* Better ability to keep the more desirable middle and high schools at capacity rather than over capacity

The OOB lottery preference order can be
1. at risk, sibling enrolled, feeder
2. at risk, sibling enrolled, no feeder
3. at risk, no sibling enrolled, no feeder
4. not at risk, sibling enrolled, feeder
5. not at risk, no sibling enrolled, feeder
6. not at risk, no sibling enrolled, no feeder

This is absurd. More finagling of a messed up system. The best solution is to improve schools, starting with DCPS administration. If more schools were reliable -- and quite a few more than just Deal and J-R are decent -- then these lottery complications would matter a lot less.

I also still don’t see the point. If it’s to increase at risk oob kids, then. Have an at risk preference in elementary. This just looks like chaos to me.

They can still have an at-risk preference for elementary. But not all at-risk middle and high schoolers are at risk, or living in DC, or able to get across town, when they are in elementary school. It's a reasonable question how a scarce resource should be spread around--should fewer kids get more years in a desirable feeder pattern, or more kids get fewer years? Also, it's not a trivial affair to see families leave their IB elementary schools not because they are dissatisfied with them, but because they are worried about middle and high school. It creates traffic, overcrowds some elementaries, and keeps schools with less-desired feeder patterns from maintaining enrollment, funding, parent involvement, and test scores. Reducing the incentive to leave would make a big difference.

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Anonymous wrote:The real question is why is Bancroft.

yes. Both Oyster and Bancroft should feed to MacFarland and Roosevelt.MacFarland would easily have PARCC scores on par with Stuart-Hobson: not amazing, but able to get more in-bounds buy-in, and the school would get big enough to offer more courses and extracurriculars. By having Oyster and Adams only serve PK3-5, there would be a lot more ECE slots.

Yes, eliminate a very successful bilingual middle school for… more ECE slots. Great idea.

The demand is for ECE. The way to create more kids who are prepared for middle school and will lift middle school proficiency rates is to get them in at ECE. Having a tiny middle school does not allow for the courses and extracurriculars that provide a full middle school experience. It also makes no sense to dump a small group of Adams grads in at JR where they can't continue on their bilingual path. DCPS needs to plan centrally and not be beholden to a few hundred parents. If Oyster families want to have everything their way, they should create a bilingual PK-8 charter.

This a deeply ridiculous post. Adams is an enormously successful middle school - both academically and in extracurriculars (e.g. some sports teams competitive with Deal at a fraction of the size and lots of students that go on to excel in sports in high school). And graduates tend to get 5s on AP Spanish language and literature tests, and many go on to use Spanish in college and after. The fact that you don’t seem to know any of this illustrates that you really aren’t qualified to comment on this subject.

What sports does Adams compete with on with Deal?

When my kid went there, cross country, track, and girls basketball. Adams girls beat Deal in the championship game a couple of years ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A good way to keep diversity at Hardy, deal, and JR while reducing overcrowding would be to end feeder rights. If you get in to hyde-addison for Pre-K, it shouldn't guarantee you a space through 12th grade. There are families that can't get a little kid across town but would enter the middle school or HS lottery.

I would agree and it would also allow Deal and JR to be able to take kids in from lottery using at risk preference and the kids would largely be old enough to take metro to school. You end OOB rights, you automatically make almost all the kids that come in through literary diverse both racially and economically.

What? That doesn't make any sense. The lottery is a lottery, not a quota system. In no way would it "automatically make almost all the kids" that win economically and racially diverse.

There are some deeply unserious people on this board.

You clearly don’t know how the at risk set aside rule works.

Deal is currently 22% OOB. Fair to say since only 1-2 kids a week come in from the lottery, all of those OOB kids are coming from having feeder rights.

I’d Deal ended their OOB feeder rights today, they would then have 300 lottery spots they could make available next year. If they have at risk preference, they could do it where 100% of those spots go to at risk kids.

Deal's building capacity is 1200 and it sits around 1450-1475 enrolled. Removing OOB feeder rights would not open up 300 lottery spots, it would simply remove 250-275 kids from attendance. And even if you did not realize that Deal is overcrowded, then you should know that the at-risk preference is not 100 percent of the lottery seats offered. Anywhere. Like I said, deeply unserious people posting here.

Deal’s permanent building capacity is 1370. With trailers it’s 1645.

If you remove the 307 OOB students (largely non at-risk students based on feeder schools’ at risk #s), you’d have 1089 IB students left at Deal.

Just using permanent space open that leaves 281 open spots to put in the lottery.

If Deal lottery has 25% at risk set aside, you’d now have 70 at risk kids that can get in from lottery. The remaining 211 lottery spots will be a mix of at risk and non at risk students. If DCPS added another status preference of “feeder school” some could get to Deal that went to a feeder school.

So you removed 307 kids to guarantee at least 70 at risk kids.

This sceenioe doesn’t even account for the kids that move OOB after starting Deal and look on paper as IB when they’re not.

So…who’s not being serious??

I'm confused. What would be accomplished with all this shuffling around?

* More opportunity for at-risk kids to get entry to desirable middle and high schools, even if their families couldn't get them across town in younger grades
* More incentive for people to stay at their IB elementary (because they won't get a MS or HS feed by lotterying in to a feeder)
* Easier record-keeping to keep families who used to live IB for a school but moved after a few months or years from getting into the feeder--everyone will have to prove residency when they enroll in the MS or HS, unless they get a seat through the lottery
* Better ability to keep the more desirable middle and high schools at capacity rather than over capacity

The OOB lottery preference order can be
1. at risk, sibling enrolled, feeder
2. at risk, sibling enrolled, no feeder
3. at risk, no sibling enrolled, no feeder
4. not at risk, sibling enrolled, feeder
5. not at risk, no sibling enrolled, feeder
6. not at risk, no sibling enrolled, no feeder

This is absurd. More finagling of a messed up system. The best solution is to improve schools, starting with DCPS administration. If more schools were reliable -- and quite a few more than just Deal and J-R are decent -- then these lottery complications would matter a lot less.

Yeah the best solution is to just improve all the schools. While we’re at it can we solve world hunger and freedom and equality for all?

There are dozens of good/improved schools all over the city. Problem is people like you wouldn’t attend them because even though their proficiency increases year to year, they will never be excellent at test taking because they are at risk. Oh and these schools are black and brown kids which we all know Deal feeders avoid with a 10 foot pole which is the reason they all spend $500k more to live away from blacks people and go to “good” schools to begin with.

PS there are two different posters giving reasons why DC should go BACK to not honoring feeder rights as well as move away and can stay at your old school until terminal grade (and always the next school and school after that because Deal feeders just automatically send all kids to Deal and Deal auto sends all kids to JR).

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Anonymous wrote:A good way to keep diversity at Hardy, deal, and JR while reducing overcrowding would be to end feeder rights. If you get in to hyde-addison for Pre-K, it shouldn't guarantee you a space through 12th grade. There are families that can't get a little kid across town but would enter the middle school or HS lottery.

I would agree and it would also allow Deal and JR to be able to take kids in from lottery using at risk preference and the kids would largely be old enough to take metro to school. You end OOB rights, you automatically make almost all the kids that come in through literary diverse both racially and economically.

What? That doesn't make any sense. The lottery is a lottery, not a quota system. In no way would it "automatically make almost all the kids" that win economically and racially diverse.

There are some deeply unserious people on this board.

You clearly don’t know how the at risk set aside rule works.

Deal is currently 22% OOB. Fair to say since only 1-2 kids a week come in from the lottery, all of those OOB kids are coming from having feeder rights.

I’d Deal ended their OOB feeder rights today, they would then have 300 lottery spots they could make available next year. If they have at risk preference, they could do it where 100% of those spots go to at risk kids.

Deal's building capacity is 1200 and it sits around 1450-1475 enrolled. Removing OOB feeder rights would not open up 300 lottery spots, it would simply remove 250-275 kids from attendance. And even if you did not realize that Deal is overcrowded, then you should know that the at-risk preference is not 100 percent of the lottery seats offered. Anywhere. Like I said, deeply unserious people posting here.

Deal’s permanent building capacity is 1370. With trailers it’s 1645.

If you remove the 307 OOB students (largely non at-risk students based on feeder schools’ at risk #s), you’d have 1089 IB students left at Deal.

Just using permanent space open that leaves 281 open spots to put in the lottery.

If Deal lottery has 25% at risk set aside, you’d now have 70 at risk kids that can get in from lottery. The remaining 211 lottery spots will be a mix of at risk and non at risk students. If DCPS added another status preference of “feeder school” some could get to Deal that went to a feeder school.

So you removed 307 kids to guarantee at least 70 at risk kids.

This sceenioe doesn’t even account for the kids that move OOB after starting Deal and look on paper as IB when they’re not.

So…who’s not being serious??

I'm confused. What would be accomplished with all this shuffling around?

Shuffling PP gets another bite at the apple for their kid, which is their only goal. Screw the OOB kids that now have no good pathway, Larlo needs to be #1. 211 lottery spots to apply for OOB instead of the <10 that usually appear at Deal. It's pointless, selfish, and based on the truly idiotic premise that Deal is currently undersubscribed.

I was the PP. I am IB for Deal, had a kid graduate from there already. No dog in this fight. Deal left a lot to be desired and I would not send another kid there. It’s only sought after because the % of on level and white kids. I’d happily take Wells or Hardy over Deal. True story.

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Anonymous wrote:A good way to keep diversity at Hardy, deal, and JR while reducing overcrowding would be to end feeder rights. If you get in to hyde-addison for Pre-K, it shouldn't guarantee you a space through 12th grade. There are families that can't get a little kid across town but would enter the middle school or HS lottery.

I would agree and it would also allow Deal and JR to be able to take kids in from lottery using at risk preference and the kids would largely be old enough to take metro to school. You end OOB rights, you automatically make almost all the kids that come in through literary diverse both racially and economically.

What? That doesn't make any sense. The lottery is a lottery, not a quota system. In no way would it "automatically make almost all the kids" that win economically and racially diverse.

There are some deeply unserious people on this board.

You clearly don’t know how the at risk set aside rule works.

Deal is currently 22% OOB. Fair to say since only 1-2 kids a week come in from the lottery, all of those OOB kids are coming from having feeder rights.

I’d Deal ended their OOB feeder rights today, they would then have 300 lottery spots they could make available next year. If they have at risk preference, they could do it where 100% of those spots go to at risk kids.

Deal's building capacity is 1200 and it sits around 1450-1475 enrolled. Removing OOB feeder rights would not open up 300 lottery spots, it would simply remove 250-275 kids from attendance. And even if you did not realize that Deal is overcrowded, then you should know that the at-risk preference is not 100 percent of the lottery seats offered. Anywhere. Like I said, deeply unserious people posting here.

Deal’s permanent building capacity is 1370. With trailers it’s 1645.

If you remove the 307 OOB students (largely non at-risk students based on feeder schools’ at risk #s), you’d have 1089 IB students left at Deal.

Just using permanent space open that leaves 281 open spots to put in the lottery.

If Deal lottery has 25% at risk set aside, you’d now have 70 at risk kids that can get in from lottery. The remaining 211 lottery spots will be a mix of at risk and non at risk students. If DCPS added another status preference of “feeder school” some could get to Deal that went to a feeder school.

So you removed 307 kids to guarantee at least 70 at risk kids.

This sceenioe doesn’t even account for the kids that move OOB after starting Deal and look on paper as IB when they’re not.

So…who’s not being serious??

I'm confused. What would be accomplished with all this shuffling around?

* More opportunity for at-risk kids to get entry to desirable middle and high schools, even if their families couldn't get them across town in younger grades
* More incentive for people to stay at their IB elementary (because they won't get a MS or HS feed by lotterying in to a feeder)
* Easier record-keeping to keep families who used to live IB for a school but moved after a few months or years from getting into the feeder--everyone will have to prove residency when they enroll in the MS or HS, unless they get a seat through the lottery
* Better ability to keep the more desirable middle and high schools at capacity rather than over capacity

The OOB lottery preference order can be
1. at risk, sibling enrolled, feeder
2. at risk, sibling enrolled, no feeder
3. at risk, no sibling enrolled, no feeder
4. not at risk, sibling enrolled, feeder
5. not at risk, no sibling enrolled, feeder
6. not at risk, no sibling enrolled, no feeder

This is absurd. More finagling of a messed up system. The best solution is to improve schools, starting with DCPS administration. If more schools were reliable -- and quite a few more than just Deal and J-R are decent -- then these lottery complications would matter a lot less.

Yeah the best solution is to just improve all the schools. While we’re at it can we solve world hunger and freedom and equality for all?

There are dozens of good/improved schools all over the city. Problem is people like you wouldn’t attend them because even though their proficiency increases year to year, they will never be excellent at test taking because they are at risk. Oh and these schools are black and brown kids which we all know Deal feeders avoid with a 10 foot pole which is the reason they all spend $500k more to live away from blacks people and go to “good” schools to begin with.

PS there are two different posters giving reasons why DC should go BACK to not honoring feeder rights as well as move away and can stay at your old school until terminal grade (and always the next school and school after that because Deal feeders just automatically send all kids to Deal and Deal auto sends all kids to JR).

There are no DCPS middle or high schools where more than about a quarter of the IB students attend, apart from JR and its feeders. Kids of all income levels and races avoid those schools. And they are certainly not seeing their proficiency numbers increase year to year -- we have one recent year of testing, and it was dismal. Your kid could quite literally be in a math class with zero kids at grade level.

In terms of improving them, there are two pieces. The poor kids tend to pick no excuses charters for the behavioral and academic focus. The UMC kids tend to pick schools with more differentiation and advanced options. DCPS doesn't want to provide either of those. But it's not that it couldn't, it's that it's not willing to discipline students and it's not willing to create new, meaningful tracking options. But it could.

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Anonymous wrote:A good way to keep diversity at Hardy, deal, and JR while reducing overcrowding would be to end feeder rights. If you get in to hyde-addison for Pre-K, it shouldn't guarantee you a space through 12th grade. There are families that can't get a little kid across town but would enter the middle school or HS lottery.

I would agree and it would also allow Deal and JR to be able to take kids in from lottery using at risk preference and the kids would largely be old enough to take metro to school. You end OOB rights, you automatically make almost all the kids that come in through literary diverse both racially and economically.

What? That doesn't make any sense. The lottery is a lottery, not a quota system. In no way would it "automatically make almost all the kids" that win economically and racially diverse.

There are some deeply unserious people on this board.

You clearly don’t know how the at risk set aside rule works.

Deal is currently 22% OOB. Fair to say since only 1-2 kids a week come in from the lottery, all of those OOB kids are coming from having feeder rights.

I’d Deal ended their OOB feeder rights today, they would then have 300 lottery spots they could make available next year. If they have at risk preference, they could do it where 100% of those spots go to at risk kids.

Deal's building capacity is 1200 and it sits around 1450-1475 enrolled. Removing OOB feeder rights would not open up 300 lottery spots, it would simply remove 250-275 kids from attendance. And even if you did not realize that Deal is overcrowded, then you should know that the at-risk preference is not 100 percent of the lottery seats offered. Anywhere. Like I said, deeply unserious people posting here.

Deal’s permanent building capacity is 1370. With trailers it’s 1645.

If you remove the 307 OOB students (largely non at-risk students based on feeder schools’ at risk #s), you’d have 1089 IB students left at Deal.

Just using permanent space open that leaves 281 open spots to put in the lottery.

If Deal lottery has 25% at risk set aside, you’d now have 70 at risk kids that can get in from lottery. The remaining 211 lottery spots will be a mix of at risk and non at risk students. If DCPS added another status preference of “feeder school” some could get to Deal that went to a feeder school.

So you removed 307 kids to guarantee at least 70 at risk kids.

This sceenioe doesn’t even account for the kids that move OOB after starting Deal and look on paper as IB when they’re not.

So…who’s not being serious??

I'm confused. What would be accomplished with all this shuffling around?

* More opportunity for at-risk kids to get entry to desirable middle and high schools, even if their families couldn't get them across town in younger grades
* More incentive for people to stay at their IB elementary (because they won't get a MS or HS feed by lotterying in to a feeder)
* Easier record-keeping to keep families who used to live IB for a school but moved after a few months or years from getting into the feeder--everyone will have to prove residency when they enroll in the MS or HS, unless they get a seat through the lottery
* Better ability to keep the more desirable middle and high schools at capacity rather than over capacity

The OOB lottery preference order can be
1. at risk, sibling enrolled, feeder
2. at risk, sibling enrolled, no feeder
3. at risk, no sibling enrolled, no feeder
4. not at risk, sibling enrolled, feeder
5. not at risk, no sibling enrolled, feeder
6. not at risk, no sibling enrolled, no feeder

This is absurd. More finagling of a messed up system. The best solution is to improve schools, starting with DCPS administration. If more schools were reliable -- and quite a few more than just Deal and J-R are decent -- then these lottery complications would matter a lot less.

I also still don’t see the point. If it’s to increase at risk oob kids, then. Have an at risk preference in elementary. This just looks like chaos to me.

Can’t happen. The Deal feeders don’t really have many openings. People keep talking about Deal being over crowded but it’s not over crowded. It has 300 OOB kids. Take away OOB kids the school is 200-400 under enrolled.

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Anonymous wrote:A good way to keep diversity at Hardy, deal, and JR while reducing overcrowding would be to end feeder rights. If you get in to hyde-addison for Pre-K, it shouldn't guarantee you a space through 12th grade. There are families that can't get a little kid across town but would enter the middle school or HS lottery.

I would agree and it would also allow Deal and JR to be able to take kids in from lottery using at risk preference and the kids would largely be old enough to take metro to school. You end OOB rights, you automatically make almost all the kids that come in through literary diverse both racially and economically.

What? That doesn't make any sense. The lottery is a lottery, not a quota system. In no way would it "automatically make almost all the kids" that win economically and racially diverse.

There are some deeply unserious people on this board.

You clearly don’t know how the at risk set aside rule works.

Deal is currently 22% OOB. Fair to say since only 1-2 kids a week come in from the lottery, all of those OOB kids are coming from having feeder rights.

I’d Deal ended their OOB feeder rights today, they would then have 300 lottery spots they could make available next year. If they have at risk preference, they could do it where 100% of those spots go to at risk kids.

Deal's building capacity is 1200 and it sits around 1450-1475 enrolled. Removing OOB feeder rights would not open up 300 lottery spots, it would simply remove 250-275 kids from attendance. And even if you did not realize that Deal is overcrowded, then you should know that the at-risk preference is not 100 percent of the lottery seats offered. Anywhere. Like I said, deeply unserious people posting here.

Deal’s permanent building capacity is 1370. With trailers it’s 1645.

If you remove the 307 OOB students (largely non at-risk students based on feeder schools’ at risk #s), you’d have 1089 IB students left at Deal.

Just using permanent space open that leaves 281 open spots to put in the lottery.

If Deal lottery has 25% at risk set aside, you’d now have 70 at risk kids that can get in from lottery. The remaining 211 lottery spots will be a mix of at risk and non at risk students. If DCPS added another status preference of “feeder school” some could get to Deal that went to a feeder school.

So you removed 307 kids to guarantee at least 70 at risk kids.

This sceenioe doesn’t even account for the kids that move OOB after starting Deal and look on paper as IB when they’re not.

So…who’s not being serious??

I'm confused. What would be accomplished with all this shuffling around?

* More opportunity for at-risk kids to get entry to desirable middle and high schools, even if their families couldn't get them across town in younger grades
* More incentive for people to stay at their IB elementary (because they won't get a MS or HS feed by lotterying in to a feeder)
* Easier record-keeping to keep families who used to live IB for a school but moved after a few months or years from getting into the feeder--everyone will have to prove residency when they enroll in the MS or HS, unless they get a seat through the lottery
* Better ability to keep the more desirable middle and high schools at capacity rather than over capacity

The OOB lottery preference order can be
1. at risk, sibling enrolled, feeder
2. at risk, sibling enrolled, no feeder
3. at risk, no sibling enrolled, no feeder
4. not at risk, sibling enrolled, feeder
5. not at risk, no sibling enrolled, feeder
6. not at risk, no sibling enrolled, no feeder

This is absurd. More finagling of a messed up system. The best solution is to improve schools, starting with DCPS administration. If more schools were reliable -- and quite a few more than just Deal and J-R are decent -- then these lottery complications would matter a lot less.

Yeah the best solution is to just improve all the schools. While we’re at it can we solve world hunger and freedom and equality for all?

There are dozens of good/improved schools all over the city. Problem is people like you wouldn’t attend them because even though their proficiency increases year to year, they will never be excellent at test taking because they are at risk. Oh and these schools are black and brown kids which we all know Deal feeders avoid with a 10 foot pole which is the reason they all spend $500k more to live away from blacks people and go to “good” schools to begin with.

PS there are two different posters giving reasons why DC should go BACK to not honoring feeder rights as well as move away and can stay at your old school until terminal grade (and always the next school and school after that because Deal feeders just automatically send all kids to Deal and Deal auto sends all kids to JR).

There are no DCPS middle or high schools where more than about a quarter of the IB students attend, apart from JR and its feeders. Kids of all income levels and races avoid those schools. And they are certainly not seeing their proficiency numbers increase year to year -- we have one recent year of testing, and it was dismal. Your kid could quite literally be in a math class with zero kids at grade level.

In terms of improving them, there are two pieces. The poor kids tend to pick no excuses charters for the behavioral and academic focus. The UMC kids tend to pick schools with more differentiation and advanced options. DCPS doesn't want to provide either of those. But it's not that it couldn't, it's that it's not willing to discipline students and it's not willing to create new, meaningful tracking options. But it could.

+1. This is spot on.

Restorative justice in DCPS is total BS with no consequences. It doesn’t change behaviors at all. Why would it when there are no accountability, consequences, or repercussions?

Proficiency has not improved. In fact the data shows post COVID that it has severely regressed in DC especially among the lower performing kids. Schools were closed for way too long. The achievement gap has increased significantly between the top and bottom half.

Truth that you could be in a class with no kids at grade level at all, especially in middle and high schools in DCPS. Where in elementary, it would not be no one but the overwhelming majority would not be and many way below grade level.