Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have a child like this. Having any kind of weapon in the home with an aggressive and mentally unstable child is unbelievably stupid. The parents are at fault for owning the gun and the admin are at fault for not finding the gun.

I’m really sorry. I too have a violent and disturbed kid but much older than this little boy. This little boy is terrifying and I can’t imagine trying to find the resources to care for and treat him.

What I learned early on is this. Every single thing is a weapon. After we removed knives (we don’t have guns), our kid went into our cabinets and broke drinking glasses and used them as weapons. While I am careful, I know that I cannot make the environment safe. Even if I boarded my windows and resorted to paper plates and spoons, got rid of tweezers and toothbrushes, my neighbors still have recycling bins with wine bottles. It’s an endless struggle.

I am so so sorry that you have this struggle. unlike other SN kids, those with downs or academic limitations- wouldn't your child be better off in an institution that catered to caring for someone who has such difficulty regulating their emotions? I'm thinking some place almost designed like a retreat/monastary with individual rooms to sleep in and a lot of green space and room to be by themselves and have highly regulated interactions with others so they dont feel so isolated that it causes self harm? I mean shouldn't we be pouring tax dollars in this instead of having terrified and overwhelmed families, individuals (im sure the children who cant manage themselves are harsh towards themselves as well) and communities. I think instead if shutting down institutions they should've just proved them and increased staff b/c the problem of the mentally ill having to navigate society that they are utterly unequipped for is also cruel.

OMG, hysterical. How much do you think a place like this would charge? We looked at residential schools for older dc with autism and it was 500k/year. Insurance will not pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Three things are true:
1.These issues predate Biden/Trump/Obama in my personal experience
2. Some kids are violent regardless of parenting
3. Owning a gun in this situation was bad parenting

But back in the day, we put violent kids into special schools with lots of staff and supports. My grandma worked at one during the 1970s, a "School for the Emotionally Disturbed." Expecting other kids and their teachers to deal with this and many other "special" behaviors is entirely unreasonable.

They still have schools like this. They are often full (no seats), and school districts pay $400/day-ish per student (these are day schools, not residential). There aren't enough of them and there aren't enough seats and they are incredibly difficult to staff.

They don't have them here, you know, in DCUM land.

We have them

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/academic-overview/nontraditional-school-programs/alternative-learning-centers

Those are for high schooler in trouble with the law, not mentally ill kindergarteners.

Burke is K-6

I knew someone whose child sat out of school for over a whole grade waiting for a spot to open at Burke. They only have 4 students per classroom or something like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every school has kids like these now but obviously not as extreme. Schools are not really allowed to discipline due to Obama era rules designed to reduce the school to prison pipeline.

The reality is that unhappy kids take it out on others in the schools. They have learned it gets them attention without typically any consequences unless there is physical violence.

Even with habitual violence, zero effective consequences. Shame on the Democrats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CPS should be investigating all families/homes of kids who are emotional disturbed or disruptive at school to make sure the kids are eating and sleeping properly, not being abused, etc. And now we can add that they shouldn’t be allowed access to a gun to the list of things to be checked out.

The parents of this particular kid should be charged with attempted homicide for allowing their emotionally disturbed 6 year old access to a loaded firearm.

I know we all want to demonize these parents. But it’s possible these parents are living a nightmare with this kid, it’s possible they were doing almost everything they possibly could we th limited means. This kid is seriously disturbed based on what he’s said and done. The gun was a huge miscalculation on their part, but this child sounds, frankly, diabolical.

The teacher said to the principal get this kid out of my class. From now on teachers should be allowed to demand that administrators remove violent kids for the entire day, at a minimum. I hope the teacher unions fight for this. We will be destroying our public school system if we don’t protect teachers and other students from dangerous kids.

As a teacher reading up on this story I find it infuriating that admin ignored multiple warnings that this kid had a gun. The lesson I take from this? Trust no one and call the police if a weapon is seen or suspected.

Not a teacher. I find it infuriating too. What kind of bothers me also is this. If you believed a kid had a gun and posed a threat, why wouldn’t you check their pockets? I’m not victim blaming. Just trying to understand.

This may have been exactly what she was doing when she got shot. I guess we need to train teachers how to safely disarm students now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every school has kids like these now but obviously not as extreme. Schools are not really allowed to discipline due to Obama era rules designed to reduce the school to prison pipeline.

The reality is that unhappy kids take it out on others in the schools. They have learned it gets them attention without typically any consequences unless there is physical violence.

Even with habitual violence, zero effective consequences. Shame on the Democrats.

So that actually started with Bush and No Child Left Behind when they started tracking attendance as a measure of schooling. Admin started not taking kids out of school for suspensions because it would affect attendance and graduation rates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CPS should be investigating all families/homes of kids who are emotional disturbed or disruptive at school to make sure the kids are eating and sleeping properly, not being abused, etc. And now we can add that they shouldn’t be allowed access to a gun to the list of things to be checked out.

The parents of this particular kid should be charged with attempted homicide for allowing their emotionally disturbed 6 year old access to a loaded firearm.

I know we all want to demonize these parents. But it’s possible these parents are living a nightmare with this kid, it’s possible they were doing almost everything they possibly could we th limited means. This kid is seriously disturbed based on what he’s said and done. The gun was a huge miscalculation on their part, but this child sounds, frankly, diabolical.

The teacher said to the principal get this kid out of my class. From now on teachers should be allowed to demand that administrators remove violent kids for the entire day, at a minimum. I hope the teacher unions fight for this. We will be destroying our public school system if we don’t protect teachers and other students from dangerous kids.

As a teacher reading up on this story I find it infuriating that admin ignored multiple warnings that this kid had a gun. The lesson I take from this? Trust no one and call the police if a weapon is seen or suspected.

Not a teacher. I find it infuriating too. What kind of bothers me also is this. If you believed a kid had a gun and posed a threat, why wouldn’t you check their pockets? I’m not victim blaming. Just trying to understand.

This may have been exactly what she was doing when she got shot. I guess we need to train teachers how to safely disarm students now.

How about stop supporting corrupted school boards and superintendents?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every school has kids like these now but obviously not as extreme. Schools are not really allowed to discipline due to Obama era rules designed to reduce the school to prison pipeline.

The reality is that unhappy kids take it out on others in the schools. They have learned it gets them attention without typically any consequences unless there is physical violence.

Even with habitual violence, zero effective consequences. Shame on the Democrats.

So that actually started with Bush and No Child Left Behind when they started tracking attendance as a measure of schooling. Admin started not taking kids out of school for suspensions because it would affect attendance and graduation rates.

NCLB is the worst thing to happen to modern schooling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:was the newport news shooter special needs?

The parents claim he was special needs. The parents had to attend class with him presumably to keep his behavior in check. I don't know why they weren't with him that day. He was violent in the classroom too. Very troubled student.

I hate lumping all these students as special needs. There needs to be different categories - category 1 with kids who have special needs that cause them to have negative behavior and category 2 with kids with special needs that only affect them academically but not behaviorally. Can we stop calling both groups kids with special needs? They are vastly different

This is a cop out, child wasn't special needs, very violent behavior learned from at home

False. A child with "very violent behavior" should qualify for an IEP under the Emotional Disturbance category.

We don't know if the parents would consent to an IEP. The behavior plan where they stay with the kid might have been in lieu of n IEP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every school has kids like these now but obviously not as extreme. Schools are not really allowed to discipline due to Obama era rules designed to reduce the school to prison pipeline.

The reality is that unhappy kids take it out on others in the schools. They have learned it gets them attention without typically any consequences unless there is physical violence.

Even with habitual violence, zero effective consequences. Shame on the Democrats.

So that actually started with Bush and No Child Left Behind when they started tracking attendance as a measure of schooling. Admin started not taking kids out of school for suspensions because it would affect attendance and graduation rates.

NCLB is the worst thing to happen to modern schooling.

Well you need to do a better job explaining that to people otherwise it will never be changed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to know why the kid was allowed at school without the parent. Also want to know how someone in the administration was told the kid might have a gun but "couldn't find it." Like, how hard did they look?

Parents have to work

As far as the kid being allowed at school, there are laws requiring education. Public schools can not enforce a rule that the parent must be there with the child. You people are clueless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Getting rid of a student who has issues that a school is incapable of dealing with has been around longer than Biden. DD's school had a boy prone to violence and it took him attacking a first grader for them to finally force him out

So much fing ignorance. No one forced a child out of a public school. There are procedures that have to be followed. The school system is required to have meetings and decide on the best placement for the child. It takes a lot of time to do this. No one can just kick a kid out of public school. The administrators at this school sound like they were much of the problem. If they deny and stop assessments it can cause problems like this.

I also think it's absolute cowardice that the op didn't pose this in the sns forum where she'd get it handed to her. I know any time a person posts about sn kids in general education forum it is because they want a post full of hate against people with disabilities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate lumping all these students as special needs. There needs to be different categories - category 1 with kids who have special needs that cause them to have negative behavior and category 2 with kids with special needs that only affect them academically but not behaviorally. Can we stop calling both groups kids with special needs? They are vastly different

In the olden days (the 80's) the label was SEM, socially and emotionally maladjusted. I'm fairly certain that category is no longer used.

In the 1990s Midwest it was BD (behaviorally disordered)

TMH (trainable mentally handicapped)—

EH (educable handicapped)—

A couple other acronyms I remembered.

[Anonymous]

This school district won’t be able to afford any teacher trainings or out of district placements for kids after this teacher sues them for every penny they have. The kid who was threatened on the playground’s family should sue too. And they deserve everything cent for this negligence and utter lack of safety in thi school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every school has kids like these now but obviously not as extreme. Schools are not really allowed to discipline due to Obama era rules designed to reduce the school to prison pipeline.

The reality is that unhappy kids take it out on others in the schools. They have learned it gets them attention without typically any consequences unless there is physical violence.

Even with habitual violence, zero effective consequences. Shame on the Democrats.

So that actually started with Bush and No Child Left Behind when they started tracking attendance as a measure of schooling. Admin started not taking kids out of school for suspensions because it would affect attendance and graduation rates.

In general though, this is not true. Most school systems expel or send home sns kids at a rate much higher than is reasonable. Schools often won't follow the behavior plan even if it isn't very intensive, the child acts out and the parent is called to come get their kid. Sns kids are crapped on every way you look. So many administrators are ignorant and would rather have all sns kids out of their schools. Fortunately for us, the Feds knew this would happen. Joe is just reminding the school systems to not forget the sns kids because they sure did drop them all like hot potatoes when the schools shut down. Joe is also reminding them not to abuse them because schools love to seclude and restrain these childen

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to know why the kid was allowed at school without the parent. Also want to know how someone in the administration was told the kid might have a gun but "couldn't find it." Like, how hard did they look?

Parents have to work

Too damn bad.