What the heck is left for AO to consider

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you are first generation or URM.

White supremacy is an ugly thing.

If you haven't been paying attention the last 30+ years, it's not about white people. The Asians are the ones getting shafted.

To the extent this is true, they’re getting shafted by white people, not the underrepresented groups so often cited here; privilege and connections disproportionately held by white people (e.g. legacy preference, philanthropy, private school attendance) are a huge factor in admissions. All you have to do is look at the numbers—the percentages of Black, Hispanic, and Native American students at selective schools rarely exceed the single digits, well below their representation in the US population. If you think the reason Asian students aren’t getting into selective colleges is because a school increased its Black student population from 5% to 6% over a number of years, you’re pretty lost in the sauce.

And the white people working to maintain that privilege are THRILLED you bought into it. They want nothing more than to pit people of color against each other in some sort of zero sum game.

No one on DCUM dares touch the legacy or philosophy rails.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are first generation or URM.

White supremacy is an ugly thing.

If you haven't been paying attention the last 30+ years, it's not about white people. The Asians are the ones getting shafted.

To the extent this is true, they’re getting shafted by white people, not the underrepresented groups so often cited here; privilege and connections disproportionately held by white people (e.g. legacy preference, philanthropy, private school attendance) are a huge factor in admissions. All you have to do is look at the numbers—the percentages of Black, Hispanic, and Native American students at selective schools rarely exceed the single digits, well below their representation in the US population. If you think the reason Asian students aren’t getting into selective colleges is because a school increased its Black student population from 5% to 6% over a number of years, you’re pretty lost in the sauce.

And the white people working to maintain that privilege are THRILLED you bought into it. They want nothing more than to pit people of color against each other in some sort of zero sum game.

Generally when they look at what the composition of selective colleges would be like if they went by grades, academic rigor and test scores they find that the percentage of white students would go up slightly, the percentage of Asian students would go up significantly and the number of black and Hispanic students would drop precipitously. Interestingly, a lot of the current white students wouldn’t get admitted (athletes and legacies) but they would get replaced by high performing un-hooked white kids who are basically in the same boat as Asian kids.

If you view these findings rationally, then Asians and un-hooked whites actually are getting shafted by these under-represented groups and legacies/athletes.

I’m for eliminating all preferential treatment; race, legacy, athletic recruits etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are first generation or URM.

White supremacy is an ugly thing.

If you haven't been paying attention the last 30+ years, it's not about white people. The Asians are the ones getting shafted.

To the extent this is true, they’re getting shafted by white people, not the underrepresented groups so often cited here; privilege and connections disproportionately held by white people (e.g. legacy preference, philanthropy, private school attendance) are a huge factor in admissions. All you have to do is look at the numbers—the percentages of Black, Hispanic, and Native American students at selective schools rarely exceed the single digits, well below their representation in the US population. If you think the reason Asian students aren’t getting into selective colleges is because a school increased its Black student population from 5% to 6% over a number of years, you’re pretty lost in the sauce.

And the white people working to maintain that privilege are THRILLED you bought into it. They want nothing more than to pit people of color against each other in some sort of zero sum game.

Generally when they look at what the composition of selective colleges would be like if they went by grades, academic rigor and test scores they find that the percentage of white students would go up slightly, the percentage of Asian students would go up significantly and the number of black and Hispanic students would drop precipitously. Interestingly, a lot of the current white students wouldn’t get admitted (athletes and legacies) but they would get replaced by high performing un-hooked white kids who are basically in the same boat as Asian kids.

If you view these findings rationally, then Asians and un-hooked whites actually are getting shafted by these under-represented groups and legacies/athletes.

I’m for eliminating all preferential treatment; race, legacy, athletic recruits etc.

What is the argument for basing college admissions only on those three criteria? It seems a value judgment and different colleges can choose to value different things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are first generation or URM.

White supremacy is an ugly thing.

If you haven't been paying attention the last 30+ years, it's not about white people. The Asians are the ones getting shafted.

To the extent this is true, they’re getting shafted by white people, not the underrepresented groups so often cited here; privilege and connections disproportionately held by white people (e.g. legacy preference, philanthropy, private school attendance) are a huge factor in admissions. All you have to do is look at the numbers—the percentages of Black, Hispanic, and Native American students at selective schools rarely exceed the single digits, well below their representation in the US population. If you think the reason Asian students aren’t getting into selective colleges is because a school increased its Black student population from 5% to 6% over a number of years, you’re pretty lost in the sauce.

And the white people working to maintain that privilege are THRILLED you bought into it. They want nothing more than to pit people of color against each other in some sort of zero sum game.

Generally when they look at what the composition of selective colleges would be like if they went by grades, academic rigor and test scores they find that the percentage of white students would go up slightly, the percentage of Asian students would go up significantly and the number of black and Hispanic students would drop precipitously. Interestingly, a lot of the current white students wouldn’t get admitted (athletes and legacies) but they would get replaced by high performing un-hooked white kids who are basically in the same boat as Asian kids.

If you view these findings rationally, then Asians and un-hooked whites actually are getting shafted by these under-represented groups and legacies/athletes.

I’m for eliminating all preferential treatment; race, legacy, athletic recruits etc.

What is the argument for basing college admissions only on those three criteria? It seems a value judgment and different colleges can choose to value different things.

Agreed. Also, they would have way more qualified students than spots, as they do now. Rigor and grades are the foundation for most admits. The number of high performing students on these and test scores are abundant. Colleges want a diverse student body in addition to top stats. They also want an array of outstanding and unique talents/skills. The vast majority of admits are top performers in your limited criteria.

Also, as others have said, campuses are largely white and Asian. URMs are not "taking" spots from students with more "merit." That reasoning is just a means to amplify already existing advantage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Grade inflation really isn't as big deal because colleges get a school profile. Even if grades are inflated, an AO gets enough data to know what the GPA for a top 10% student is, they know the top overall GPA, they get data on what a rigorous course load is, the get data on AP and honors courses are offered, etc. They know a lot more than you think. It does not matter if half a class is over a 4.0.

Yep, our public school ranks top 10% of the class.

And not the other 90%? That is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Race is more important than test score
Totally fukced up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Race is more important than test score
Totally fukced up

Just because they’re white doesn’t mean they aren’t qualified

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are first generation or URM.

White supremacy is an ugly thing.

If you haven't been paying attention the last 30+ years, it's not about white people. The Asians are the ones getting shafted.

To the extent this is true, they’re getting shafted by white people, not the underrepresented groups so often cited here; privilege and connections disproportionately held by white people (e.g. legacy preference, philanthropy, private school attendance) are a huge factor in admissions. All you have to do is look at the numbers—the percentages of Black, Hispanic, and Native American students at selective schools rarely exceed the single digits, well below their representation in the US population. If you think the reason Asian students aren’t getting into selective colleges is because a school increased its Black student population from 5% to 6% over a number of years, you’re pretty lost in the sauce.

And the white people working to maintain that privilege are THRILLED you bought into it. They want nothing more than to pit people of color against each other in some sort of zero sum game.

+1

Well stated.

+1 The continued practice of legacy admissions is the ultimate privilege hoarding.

[Anonymous]

Can we assume that the vast majority of students aren't using AI. So your post is over the top.