Do kids really withdraw all other applications when they get in ED?

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Anonymous wrote:My dd applied ED to a school a few years ago. She also applied EA to several schools. She had received acceptances to some of the EA schools before she got the ED acceptance and she immediately declined those. She had a few more in process and she emailed to withdraw her applications (or did whatever she needed to do on Naviance). There was one that she was unable to withdraw and she was worried about it. She did email the admissions office at the school. I’m not sure how she knew it wasn’t withdrawn - maybe something on Naviance. Her high school counselor told her not to worry. It was a large school and she declined admission right away.

ED is a game but if you want to play, you have to follow the rules. In retrospect, my dd should not have played bc she ended up transferring and may have ended up at a different school if she had had more time to evaluate options. But she knew the risk. It worked out well for her in the end but if you cannot commit 100%, you should not apply ED.

This 1000%! Your daughter figured out that you can email AO if you can't figure out how to decline/rescind application in the portal. So she did her job/followed the rules.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid did withdraw other apps when he got in ED. But two things I noticed: 1) there was no easy way to withdraw other apps. I don’t know why more schools don’t have a way in the portal. 2) the ED school said nothing to remind DS to do so. The acceptance letter did not say anything about the ED “rules.”

Because both the student and the parent had to sign the ED agreement. They assume you are adults and know the rules of what you signed.

We did know the rules. Just find it interesting that this wasn’t a part of the acceptance letter. There were no reminders that it was binding etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ED is a scam to improve yield. It should be abolished.

It’s also a wonderful way for families like ours to demonstrate absolute commitment to one chosen school and enjoy the statistical advantage that confers. It’s a great option among many available options and it should be preserved

But only available to those with financial means.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD withdrew most of her EA apps but she was very curious about one particular very long shot school and could not find an easy way to withdraw her app so she let it ride. She did not get in, nor did she expect to have a snowballs chance in hell so didn't feel like it was a big deal. She did withdraw every other app (there were about 5-6 which were outstanding when she got her ED)

I should add, she didn't plan to accept the other school if she got in, just wanted to know if she would get in.

You do realize had she gotten in, she was taking a spot from another student. What a horrible lesson to allow your child not to follow the terms of her ED acceptance.

No she wasn’t taking a sport from anyone because she wasn’t going to enroll. Colleges do not a 100% yield and therefore they accept way more than they need to fill the class. You really are clueless aren’t you? And even if they did, they would go to the waitlist if they didn’t get the yield they wanted. There is no kid sitting home crying in their cheerios as a result of my kid not pulling her app.

Colleges do limit the number of kids that they take per high school though

And colleges plan to admit X students. So for every student who gets an acceptance but is ED acceptedelsewhere, that is one less student the college will offer admission to. So while the college will still get their yield (from WL if necessary), her daughter did ruin another student's chances.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD withdrew most of her EA apps but she was very curious about one particular very long shot school and could not find an easy way to withdraw her app so she let it ride. She did not get in, nor did she expect to have a snowballs chance in hell so didn't feel like it was a big deal. She did withdraw every other app (there were about 5-6 which were outstanding when she got her ED)

I should add, she didn't plan to accept the other school if she got in, just wanted to know if she would get in.

You do realize had she gotten in, she was taking a spot from another student. What a horrible lesson to allow your child not to follow the terms of her ED acceptance.

No she wasn’t taking a sport from anyone because she wasn’t going to enroll. Colleges do not a 100% yield and therefore they accept way more than they need to fill the class. You really are clueless aren’t you? And even if they did, they would go to the waitlist if they didn’t get the yield they wanted. There is no kid sitting home crying in their cheerios as a result of my kid not pulling her app.

Colleges do limit the number of kids that they take per high school though

This was a school that only accepts 1 kid every couple of years from our school.

SO?!?! Doesn't matter. You didn't follow the rules, you are unethical and are teaching your kid that the rules are not for them. If you "Must know your acceptance at more than 1 university" then ED is not the right choice for you

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Anonymous wrote:My DD withdrew most of her EA apps but she was very curious about one particular very long shot school and could not find an easy way to withdraw her app so she let it ride. She did not get in, nor did she expect to have a snowballs chance in hell so didn't feel like it was a big deal. She did withdraw every other app (there were about 5-6 which were outstanding when she got her ED)

I should add, she didn't plan to accept the other school if she got in, just wanted to know if she would get in.

You do realize had she gotten in, she was taking a spot from another student. What a horrible lesson to allow your child not to follow the terms of her ED because Iacceptance.

No she wasn’t taking a sport from anyone because she wasn’t going to enroll. Colleges do not a 100% yield and therefore they accept way more than they need to fill the class. You really are clueless aren’t you? And even if they did, they would go to the waitlist if they didn’t get the yield they wanted. There is no kid sitting home crying in their cheerios as a result of my kid not pulling her app.

You do realize it would not likely be the same kid taken off the wait list and she would most likely have taken the spot of someone local. You should be embarrassed for not following the terms of ED because you put your kid’s curiosity over basic ethics.

First of all I was 100% sure she wasn’t getting in, and she didn’t. Secondly, she pulled all other apps. And yes they accept plenty more so even if she did get in, and turned it down how is that different than a kid who is applying as a safety and has no intention of going? Happens ALL the time.

Because applying as a Safety to 1000 schools is legal, ethical and not against the rules for anyone who is not submitting an ED application. Not even comparable. Stop attempting to justify what you/your daughter did. It's wrong and self centered.

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Anonymous wrote:A girl in my DD's class last year didn't and we informed the school. BTW, I posted about this last year asking if we should inform the school. About half the posters said MYOB and it was a pretty controversial discussion. Not sure why but that's DCUM for you.

Curious to know what happened after you informed the school? How did school respond to you? To the student involved? Was ED rescinded? Student held accountable?

Why on earth did you report her? That is so terrible.

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DMV parents are ruthless.

We reported her to the college counselor at her school because it's unethical and makes the school look really bad.

One issue is that the family may have been dealing with a financial aid appeal with the ED school. No matter how much you think you can assume, you really do not know other people's financial situations. Nor do teenagers always tell the truth about anything related to college apps in general as well as finances. That, in my opinion, is what makes your snitching distasteful.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid did withdraw other apps when he got in ED. But two things I noticed: 1) there was no easy way to withdraw other apps. I don’t know why more schools don’t have a way in the portal. 2) the ED school said nothing to remind DS to do so. The acceptance letter did not say anything about the ED “rules.”

My ds's admission letter did tell him to withdraw apps from his other schools. He did. And yes, there is no easy/intuitive way to do it for most in the portals. I think he just emailed the AO for some.

Same here. I was impressed with Macalester, where DS had applied EA. They reached out proactively to inquire if applicants had an ED acceptance and had very easy process (ala 'click here') to withdraw the application. Some other schools made it much more complicated.

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Anonymous wrote:A girl in my DD's class last year didn't and we informed the school. BTW, I posted about this last year asking if we should inform the school. About half the posters said MYOB and it was a pretty controversial discussion. Not sure why but that's DCUM for you.

Curious to know what happened after you informed the school? How did school respond to you? To the student involved? Was ED rescinded? Student held accountable?

Why on earth did you report her? That is so terrible.

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DMV parents are ruthless.

We reported her to the college counselor at her school because it's unethical and makes the school look really bad.

One issue is that the family may have been dealing with a financial aid appeal with the ED school. No matter how much you think you can assume, you really do not know other people's financial situations. Nor do teenagers always tell the truth about anything related to college apps in general as well as finances. That, in my opinion, is what makes your snitching distasteful.

Pp said she told the school counselor, not the ED college. Presumably, the counselor then made sure the student withdrew from the other schools. Not sure why you find this so problematic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ED is a scam to improve yield. It should be abolished.

It’s also a wonderful way for families like ours to demonstrate absolute commitment to one chosen school and enjoy the statistical advantage that confers. It’s a great option among many available options and it should be preserved

But only available to those with financial means.

Such is life. There are so many things in life "only available to those with financial means". I mean I'd like a newer, fancier car or a bigger nicer home, or 3 vacations to Europe each year but it's not financially available to me. You have to learn to live with in your means.

Most UMC families likely wont be able to attend most T20 schools even if they get in RD unless they are willing to be full pay. Because they won't get enough financial aide. What you should really be annoyed with is yourself, that you did not manage to prioritize and save for your kid's education. It's been no secret how much college costs and what you should have been saving to make it a reality, if that was really important to you.
If you want them to attend a T20/T50 school, you should have been planning and saving. There are still plenty of amazing schools your kid can attend that will be affordable, if you have not saved enough.

Also, many schools offer merit and financial aid to a lot of students, and that is often available due to the fact they have x% full pay students. If you remove a portion of those full pay students, then less merit and sometime less FA would be available. Essentially those full pay students help make college affordable for everyone else.

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Yes. DD just declined 3 schools and withdrew all the EA and RD ones. For ED she had to enroll right away, so why keep those others out there. I am raising a good, honorable and ethical person. Not a sneaky selfish person who would take someone else spot ‘just to see’.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD withdrew most of her EA apps but she was very curious about one particular very long shot school and could not find an easy way to withdraw her app so she let it ride. She did not get in, nor did she expect to have a snowballs chance in hell so didn't feel like it was a big deal. She did withdraw every other app (there were about 5-6 which were outstanding when she got her ED)

I should add, she didn't plan to accept the other school if she got in, just wanted to know if she would get in.

You do realize had she gotten in, she was taking a spot from another student. What a horrible lesson to allow your child not to follow the terms of her ED because Iacceptance.

No she wasn’t taking a sport from anyone because she wasn’t going to enroll. Colleges do not a 100% yield and therefore they accept way more than they need to fill the class. You really are clueless aren’t you? And even if they did, they would go to the waitlist if they didn’t get the yield they wanted. There is no kid sitting home crying in their cheerios as a result of my kid not pulling her app.

You do realize it would not likely be the same kid taken off the wait list and she would most likely have taken the spot of someone local. You should be embarrassed for not following the terms of ED because you put your kid’s curiosity over basic ethics.

First of all I was 100% sure she wasn’t getting in, and she didn’t. Secondly, she pulled all other apps. And yes they accept plenty more so even if she did get in, and turned it down how is that different than a kid who is applying as a safety and has no intention of going? Happens ALL the time.

Because applying as a Safety to 1000 schools is legal, ethical and not against the rules for anyone who is not submitting an ED application. Not even comparable. Stop attempting to justify what you/your daughter did. It's wrong and self centered. [/quote
There is nothing illegal or against the rules because the kid wasn’t accepted and even if she was, she wasn’t going. She was fully committed to her ED school. You’re being a bit of a drama queen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid did withdraw other apps when he got in ED. But two things I noticed: 1) there was no easy way to withdraw other apps. I don’t know why more schools don’t have a way in the portal. 2) the ED school said nothing to remind DS to do so. The acceptance letter did not say anything about the ED “rules.”

I have been told & have read of instances where schools did not comply with the student's application withdrawal request and the student later received a rejection. All were small schools which probably did this to appear more selective.

Or - maybe it's just easier in their computer system to select "rejection" as the method to stop the application process from continuing....

[Anonymous]

DD was accepted ED but the week before the acceptance we discovered she had a serious health issue that at the time we thought might require her to stay much closer to home. She withdrew EA apps from schools 2 or more hours away but she had two acceptances from schools close by already and she kept those options open for about 6 weeks while we figured out the extent of the health situation and what treatment she would need. In that period, we paid the deposit on the ED school.

All worked out ok, she is at the ED school and doing well so far. I'm sure someone will say it was unethical, but I did not want her to end up with no college options because of a medical issue.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD withdrew most of her EA apps but she was very curious about one particular very long shot school and could not find an easy way to withdraw her app so she let it ride. She did not get in, nor did she expect to have a snowballs chance in hell so didn't feel like it was a big deal. She did withdraw every other app (there were about 5-6 which were outstanding when she got her ED)

I should add, she didn't plan to accept the other school if she got in, just wanted to know if she would get in.

You do realize had she gotten in, she was taking a spot from another student. What a horrible lesson to allow your child not to follow the terms of her ED because Iacceptance.

No she wasn’t taking a sport from anyone because she wasn’t going to enroll. Colleges do not a 100% yield and therefore they accept way more than they need to fill the class. You really are clueless aren’t you? And even if they did, they would go to the waitlist if they didn’t get the yield they wanted. There is no kid sitting home crying in their cheerios as a result of my kid not pulling her app.

You do realize it would not likely be the same kid taken off the wait list and she would most likely have taken the spot of someone local. You should be embarrassed for not following the terms of ED because you put your kid’s curiosity over basic ethics.

First of all I was 100% sure she wasn’t getting in, and she didn’t. Secondly, she pulled all other apps. And yes they accept plenty more so even if she did get in, and turned it down how is that different than a kid who is applying as a safety and has no intention of going? Happens ALL the time.

Because applying as a Safety to 1000 schools is legal, ethical and not against the rules for anyone who is not submitting an ED application. Not even comparable. Stop attempting to justify what you/your daughter did. It's wrong and self centered. [/quote
There is nothing illegal or against the rules because the kid wasn’t accepted and even if she was, she wasn’t going. She was fully committed to her ED school. You’re being a bit of a drama queen.

You have multiple people telling you what your daughter did was unethical and directly in violation of the ED agreement and yet, you are still trying to defend it. Perhaps open up your mind to the fact that this was wrong instead of trying to justify it.