Do kids really withdraw all other applications when they get in ED?

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Anonymous wrote:I think more people back out of ED than you may think. My husband and I saw a stat recently (wish I could remember where) that showed an ED rate for a school and those who were accepted ED and those who actually attended were quite different numbers.
I remember it because we had a discussion about how quite a few people must back out.
I thought that if you were accepted ED but did not get enough aid you could get out of the arrangement.
We would follow the rules as I think that is appropriate but it seems reasonable for people to back out of ED if they can’t afford it.
Why do the schools have all the power?

Lucky you think it's appropriate to honor the agreement you and your child and the school signed. Every school has a calculator so you can see how much it will cost you. Is it too much to ask that you use that before you apply ED? i just don't understand why people allow their children to apply to schools they can't afford.

ok so what about this scenario - your child applied to EA schools and has been granted significant merit aid (family does not qualify for any financial aid). Child had planned to apply EDII to a certain school. Can the child apply to the ED school (which is known to give merit aid), but if they don't receive merit aid, back out of ED? ie if the family needs merit aid (but would not get financial aid), can they still apply ED? Obviously the clear answer is to apply RD, but this school gives a very significant bump for ED. So could the child apply ED or not?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think more people back out of ED than you may think. My husband and I saw a stat recently (wish I could remember where) that showed an ED rate for a school and those who were accepted ED and those who actually attended were quite different numbers.
I remember it because we had a discussion about how quite a few people must back out.
I thought that if you were accepted ED but did not get enough aid you could get out of the arrangement.
We would follow the rules as I think that is appropriate but it seems reasonable for people to back out of ED if they can’t afford it.
Why do the schools have all the power?

Lucky you think it's appropriate to honor the agreement you and your child and the school signed. Every school has a calculator so you can see how much it will cost you. Is it too much to ask that you use that before you apply ED? i just don't understand why people allow their children to apply to schools they can't afford.

ok so what about this scenario - your child applied to EA schools and has been granted significant merit aid (family does not qualify for any financial aid). Child had planned to apply EDII to a certain school. Can the child apply to the ED school (which is known to give merit aid), but if they don't receive merit aid, back out of ED? ie if the family needs merit aid (but would not get financial aid), can they still apply ED? Obviously the clear answer is to apply RD, but this school gives a very significant bump for ED. So could the child apply ED or not?

This is a situation where you cannot apply Ed. Merit aid is not the same as financial aid and is not a basis for getting out of Ed. So no, your kid shoukd not apply ED.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think more people back out of ED than you may think. My husband and I saw a stat recently (wish I could remember where) that showed an ED rate for a school and those who were accepted ED and those who actually attended were quite different numbers.
I remember it because we had a discussion about how quite a few people must back out.
I thought that if you were accepted ED but did not get enough aid you could get out of the arrangement.
We would follow the rules as I think that is appropriate but it seems reasonable for people to back out of ED if they can’t afford it.
Why do the schools have all the power?

Lucky you think it's appropriate to honor the agreement you and your child and the school signed. Every school has a calculator so you can see how much it will cost you. Is it too much to ask that you use that before you apply ED? i just don't understand why people allow their children to apply to schools they can't afford.

ok so what about this scenario - your child applied to EA schools and has been granted significant merit aid (family does not qualify for any financial aid). Child had planned to apply EDII to a certain school. Can the child apply to the ED school (which is known to give merit aid), but if they don't receive merit aid, back out of ED? ie if the family needs merit aid (but would not get financial aid), can they still apply ED? Obviously the clear answer is to apply RD, but this school gives a very significant bump for ED. So could the child apply ED or not?

This is a situation where you cannot apply Ed. Merit aid is not the same as financial aid and is not a basis for getting out of Ed. So no, your kid shoukd not apply ED.

So you only get the admissions advantage if you can afford it. I can see why people get annoyed by this ED system, but thanks for the response. I am personally surprised that this ED system has prevailed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think more people back out of ED than you may think. My husband and I saw a stat recently (wish I could remember where) that showed an ED rate for a school and those who were accepted ED and those who actually attended were quite different numbers.
I remember it because we had a discussion about how quite a few people must back out.
I thought that if you were accepted ED but did not get enough aid you could get out of the arrangement.
We would follow the rules as I think that is appropriate but it seems reasonable for people to back out of ED if they can’t afford it.
Why do the schools have all the power?

Lucky you think it's appropriate to honor the agreement you and your child and the school signed. Every school has a calculator so you can see how much it will cost you. Is it too much to ask that you use that before you apply ED? i just don't understand why people allow their children to apply to schools they can't afford.

ok so what about this scenario - your child applied to EA schools and has been granted significant merit aid (family does not qualify for any financial aid). Child had planned to apply EDII to a certain school. Can the child apply to the ED school (which is known to give merit aid), but if they don't receive merit aid, back out of ED? ie if the family needs merit aid (but would not get financial aid), can they still apply ED? Obviously the clear answer is to apply RD, but this school gives a very significant bump for ED. So could the child apply ED or not?

This is a situation where you cannot apply Ed. Merit aid is not the same as financial aid and is not a basis for getting out of Ed. So no, your kid shoukd not apply ED.

So you only get the admissions advantage if you can afford it. I can see why people get annoyed by this ED system, but thanks for the response. I am personally surprised that this ED system has prevailed.

Yes. ED gives rich kids a big edge.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think more people back out of ED than you may think. My husband and I saw a stat recently (wish I could remember where) that showed an ED rate for a school and those who were accepted ED and those who actually attended were quite different numbers.
I remember it because we had a discussion about how quite a few people must back out.
I thought that if you were accepted ED but did not get enough aid you could get out of the arrangement.
We would follow the rules as I think that is appropriate but it seems reasonable for people to back out of ED if they can’t afford it.
Why do the schools have all the power?

Lucky you think it's appropriate to honor the agreement you and your child and the school signed. Every school has a calculator so you can see how much it will cost you. Is it too much to ask that you use that before you apply ED? i just don't understand why people allow their children to apply to schools they can't afford.

ok so what about this scenario - your child applied to EA schools and has been granted significant merit aid (family does not qualify for any financial aid). Child had planned to apply EDII to a certain school. Can the child apply to the ED school (which is known to give merit aid), but if they don't receive merit aid, back out of ED? ie if the family needs merit aid (but would not get financial aid), can they still apply ED? Obviously the clear answer is to apply RD, but this school gives a very significant bump for ED. So could the child apply ED or not?

This is a situation where you cannot apply Ed. Merit aid is not the same as financial aid and is not a basis for getting out of Ed. So no, your kid shoukd not apply ED.

So you only get the admissions advantage if you can afford it. I can see why people get annoyed by this ED system, but thanks for the response. I am personally surprised that this ED system has prevailed.

You only get the admissions advantage if you can afford full pay OR the Net Price Calculator provides a need-based estimate that would be affordable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those are the rules. Don’t be a selfish, greedy, a-hole who thinks they’re too special for the rules to apply to them.

You are correct, but IMHO it is more than that. It's your word - what you agreed to voluntarily. That's more important than the rules themselves.

+1000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think more people back out of ED than you may think. My husband and I saw a stat recently (wish I could remember where) that showed an ED rate for a school and those who were accepted ED and those who actually attended were quite different numbers.
I remember it because we had a discussion about how quite a few people must back out.
I thought that if you were accepted ED but did not get enough aid you could get out of the arrangement.
We would follow the rules as I think that is appropriate but it seems reasonable for people to back out of ED if they can’t afford it.
Why do the schools have all the power?

Lucky you think it's appropriate to honor the agreement you and your child and the school signed. Every school has a calculator so you can see how much it will cost you. Is it too much to ask that you use that before you apply ED? i just don't understand why people allow their children to apply to schools they can't afford.

ok so what about this scenario - your child applied to EA schools and has been granted significant merit aid (family does not qualify for any financial aid). Child had planned to apply EDII to a certain school. Can the child apply to the ED school (which is known to give merit aid), but if they don't receive merit aid, back out of ED? ie if the family needs merit aid (but would not get financial aid), can they still apply ED? Obviously the clear answer is to apply RD, but this school gives a very significant bump for ED. So could the child apply ED or not?

This is a situation where you cannot apply Ed. Merit aid is not the same as financial aid and is not a basis for getting out of Ed. So no, your kid shoukd not apply ED.

So you only get the admissions advantage if you can afford it. I can see why people get annoyed by this ED system, but thanks for the response. I am personally surprised that this ED system has prevailed.

Yes. ED gives rich kids a big edge.

It's a pay-to-play system isn't it??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think more people back out of ED than you may think. My husband and I saw a stat recently (wish I could remember where) that showed an ED rate for a school and those who were accepted ED and those who actually attended were quite different numbers.
I remember it because we had a discussion about how quite a few people must back out.
I thought that if you were accepted ED but did not get enough aid you could get out of the arrangement.
We would follow the rules as I think that is appropriate but it seems reasonable for people to back out of ED if they can’t afford it.
Why do the schools have all the power?

Lucky you think it's appropriate to honor the agreement you and your child and the school signed. Every school has a calculator so you can see how much it will cost you. Is it too much to ask that you use that before you apply ED? i just don't understand why people allow their children to apply to schools they can't afford.

ok so what about this scenario - your child applied to EA schools and has been granted significant merit aid (family does not qualify for any financial aid). Child had planned to apply EDII to a certain school. Can the child apply to the ED school (which is known to give merit aid), but if they don't receive merit aid, back out of ED? ie if the family needs merit aid (but would not get financial aid), can they still apply ED? Obviously the clear answer is to apply RD, but this school gives a very significant bump for ED. So could the child apply ED or not?

This is a situation where you cannot apply Ed. Merit aid is not the same as financial aid and is not a basis for getting out of Ed. So no, your kid shoukd not apply ED.

So you only get the admissions advantage if you can afford it. I can see why people get annoyed by this ED system, but thanks for the response. I am personally surprised that this ED system has prevailed.

Or if you have financial need that would be satisfied with financial aid.

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Anonymous wrote:For other EA schools, I don't see the big deal. If student wants to know outcome of other schools' applications, no reason why they can't wait. Usually the decisions are all around the same time, so not much time for school to react to a withdrawn application. My son didn't apply ED, but he had a few EA applications out and once he heard from his top choice, he still held out and waited to see what other schools' decisions were. Once he got the decisions, he immediately declined so that they could use that slot for a waitlist candidate.

Building on this, EA doesn’t confer the same advantage as ED since it is not binding and does not require you to withdraw apps. I see no problem with a kid who applied EA waiting to hear on other schools. Very different question.

PP who was quoted here. I would also add that if the EA applicant who gets into their first choice keeps RD applications open, that is pretty lame. Those should be withdrawn to give options to others who might otherwise be waitlisted.

No reason at all to do that. While it might have been their first choice, that could change when they get financial aid/merit offers from other schools. Whole point of EA/RD is so you can compare offers.

[Anonymous]

+1. EA is just about timing, not commitment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think more people back out of ED than you may think. My husband and I saw a stat recently (wish I could remember where) that showed an ED rate for a school and those who were accepted ED and those who actually attended were quite different numbers.
I remember it because we had a discussion about how quite a few people must back out.
I thought that if you were accepted ED but did not get enough aid you could get out of the arrangement.
We would follow the rules as I think that is appropriate but it seems reasonable for people to back out of ED if they can’t afford it.
Why do the schools have all the power?

Lucky you think it's appropriate to honor the agreement you and your child and the school signed. Every school has a calculator so you can see how much it will cost you. Is it too much to ask that you use that before you apply ED? i just don't understand why people allow their children to apply to schools they can't afford.

ok so what about this scenario - your child applied to EA schools and has been granted significant merit aid (family does not qualify for any financial aid). Child had planned to apply EDII to a certain school. Can the child apply to the ED school (which is known to give merit aid), but if they don't receive merit aid, back out of ED? ie if the family needs merit aid (but would not get financial aid), can they still apply ED? Obviously the clear answer is to apply RD, but this school gives a very significant bump for ED. So could the child apply ED or not?

This is a situation where you cannot apply Ed. Merit aid is not the same as financial aid and is not a basis for getting out of Ed. So no, your kid shoukd not apply ED.

So you only get the admissions advantage if you can afford it. I can see why people get annoyed by this ED system, but thanks for the response. I am personally surprised that this ED system has prevailed.

Why wouldn't it prevail? The goal of unversities is to get the yield they want, and that includes with the correct percent of full pay students. ED1/ED2 are a key part of this. Anyone can participate that can afford the school. If can't afford it, then do EA/RD so you can compare merit/FA packages.

Not everyone can afford everything in life. Many would rather do private K-12 than their public, but if they cannot afford it, they have to do public. Most things in life function like this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think more people back out of ED than you may think. My husband and I saw a stat recently (wish I could remember where) that showed an ED rate for a school and those who were accepted ED and those who actually attended were quite different numbers.
I remember it because we had a discussion about how quite a few people must back out.
I thought that if you were accepted ED but did not get enough aid you could get out of the arrangement.
We would follow the rules as I think that is appropriate but it seems reasonable for people to back out of ED if they can’t afford it.
Why do the schools have all the power?

Lucky you think it's appropriate to honor the agreement you and your child and the school signed. Every school has a calculator so you can see how much it will cost you. Is it too much to ask that you use that before you apply ED? i just don't understand why people allow their children to apply to schools they can't afford.

ok so what about this scenario - your child applied to EA schools and has been granted significant merit aid (family does not qualify for any financial aid). Child had planned to apply EDII to a certain school. Can the child apply to the ED school (which is known to give merit aid), but if they don't receive merit aid, back out of ED? ie if the family needs merit aid (but would not get financial aid), can they still apply ED? Obviously the clear answer is to apply RD, but this school gives a very significant bump for ED. So could the child apply ED or not?

This is a situation where you cannot apply Ed. Merit aid is not the same as financial aid and is not a basis for getting out of Ed. So no, your kid shoukd not apply ED.

So you only get the admissions advantage if you can afford it. I can see why people get annoyed by this ED system, but thanks for the response. I am personally surprised that this ED system has prevailed.

Yes. ED gives rich kids a big edge.

It's a pay-to-play system isn't it??

But there are literally hundreds of good colleges that will be affordable for people. You just have to look outside the T40-T50 schools. You can easily find merit if you need it. So yeah, rich kids get an advantage of ED at the T50 schools. Rich people often get advantages over others in so many facets of life. However, no body is stopping you from getting an education---that can happen at ANY school if you are not obsessed with T20 schools. And remember that even with ED it's still a crapshoot at the T20 schools, just with a slightly better odds

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think more people back out of ED than you may think. My husband and I saw a stat recently (wish I could remember where) that showed an ED rate for a school and those who were accepted ED and those who actually attended were quite different numbers.
I remember it because we had a discussion about how quite a few people must back out.
I thought that if you were accepted ED but did not get enough aid you could get out of the arrangement.
We would follow the rules as I think that is appropriate but it seems reasonable for people to back out of ED if they can’t afford it.
Why do the schools have all the power?

Lucky you think it's appropriate to honor the agreement you and your child and the school signed. Every school has a calculator so you can see how much it will cost you. Is it too much to ask that you use that before you apply ED? i just don't understand why people allow their children to apply to schools they can't afford.

ok so what about this scenario - your child applied to EA schools and has been granted significant merit aid (family does not qualify for any financial aid). Child had planned to apply EDII to a certain school. Can the child apply to the ED school (which is known to give merit aid), but if they don't receive merit aid, back out of ED? ie if the family needs merit aid (but would not get financial aid), can they still apply ED? Obviously the clear answer is to apply RD, but this school gives a very significant bump for ED. So could the child apply ED or not?

This is a situation where you cannot apply Ed. Merit aid is not the same as financial aid and is not a basis for getting out of Ed. So no, your kid shoukd not apply ED.

So you only get the admissions advantage if you can afford it. I can see why people get annoyed by this ED system, but thanks for the response. I am personally surprised that this ED system has prevailed.

Why wouldn't it prevail? The goal of unversities is to get the yield they want, and that includes with the correct percent of full pay students. ED1/ED2 are a key part of this. Anyone can participate that can afford the school. If can't afford it, then do EA/RD so you can compare merit/FA packages.

Not everyone can afford everything in life. Many would rather do private K-12 than their public, but if they cannot afford it, they have to do public. Most things in life function like this.

Shorter version: be happy with what you get, poors! Fancy schools are for rich people! Upward mobility stops with the basics!

You may not have meant it, but this is exactly what you sound like.

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It's not "the poors" but rather the doughnut families, who are caught in this.

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Anonymous wrote:I think more people back out of ED than you may think. My husband and I saw a stat recently (wish I could remember where) that showed an ED rate for a school and those who were accepted ED and those who actually attended were quite different numbers.
I remember it because we had a discussion about how quite a few people must back out.
I thought that if you were accepted ED but did not get enough aid you could get out of the arrangement.
We would follow the rules as I think that is appropriate but it seems reasonable for people to back out of ED if they can’t afford it.
Why do the schools have all the power?

Lucky you think it's appropriate to honor the agreement you and your child and the school signed. Every school has a calculator so you can see how much it will cost you. Is it too much to ask that you use that before you apply ED? i just don't understand why people allow their children to apply to schools they can't afford.

ok so what about this scenario - your child applied to EA schools and has been granted significant merit aid (family does not qualify for any financial aid). Child had planned to apply EDII to a certain school. Can the child apply to the ED school (which is known to give merit aid), but if they don't receive merit aid, back out of ED? ie if the family needs merit aid (but would not get financial aid), can they still apply ED? Obviously the clear answer is to apply RD, but this school gives a very significant bump for ED. So could the child apply ED or not?

This is a situation where you cannot apply Ed. Merit aid is not the same as financial aid and is not a basis for getting out of Ed. So no, your kid shoukd not apply ED.

So you only get the admissions advantage if you can afford it. I can see why people get annoyed by this ED system, but thanks for the response. I am personally surprised that this ED system has prevailed.

Why wouldn't it prevail? The goal of unversities is to get the yield they want, and that includes with the correct percent of full pay students. ED1/ED2 are a key part of this. Anyone can participate that can afford the school. If can't afford it, then do EA/RD so you can compare merit/FA packages.

Not everyone can afford everything in life. Many would rather do private K-12 than their public, but if they cannot afford it, they have to do public. Most things in life function like this.

Shorter version: be happy with what you get, poors! Fancy schools are for rich people! Upward mobility stops with the basics!

You may not have meant it, but this is exactly what you sound like.

NP here but I didn't get that same tone from the response, particularly because most elite universities are need-blind and will cover the entire cost for many families. That is exactly upward mobility.