Is it unethical to use donor eggs?

[Anonymous]

I also agree that people should have a right to know their geentic and biological origins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. Like surrogacy it exploits the bodies of desperate women.

+1,000,000. Both should be illegal.

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Anonymous wrote:I also agree that people should have a right to know their geentic and biological origins.

So do you support universal genetic testing and data collection by the state to give everyone that right?

That is the only way to do it.

I do agree that it's important for people to have the ability to know their genetic and biological origins.

It is not a human right, however. (Unless you support genetic surveillance of everyone - which I don't)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn't aware of this. I think surrogacy is probably unethical. Didn't realize about donor.

Surrogacy is completely unethical and banned in all right-thinking countries.

Spoken like someone who knows absolutely nothing about gestational surrogacy.

Spoken like someone with a barren womb who had to rent some poor woman's body to get her pwecious babies.

How gracious of you to talk to a cancer survivor as someone with a “barren womb”

You’re not entitled to a baby.

[Anonymous]

There is a very, very strong overlap between people who are anti-abortion and people who condone surrogacy & egg donation, promote adoption & publicly grieve miscarriages (i.e. hold a funeral with a GoFundMe for their 13 week miscarriage). Especially among Instagram influencers. It isn’t a complete circle, but it’s definitely a Venn diagram.

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Anonymous wrote:I also agree that people should have a right to know their geentic and biological origins.

So do you support universal genetic testing and data collection by the state to give everyone that right?

That is the only way to do it.

I do agree that it's important for people to have the ability to know their genetic and biological origins.

It is not a human right, however. (Unless you support genetic surveillance of everyone - which I don't)

Designing humans that will never know one biological parent is a human rights violation by design. Preventing this scenario requires ethical laws, not "genetic surveillance".

[Anonymous]

There is a very, very strong overlap between people who are anti-abortion and people who condone surrogacy & egg donation, promote adoption & publicly grieve miscarriages (i.e. hold a funeral with a GoFundMe for their 13 week miscarriage).

Did you mean condemn rather than condone? If not, my experience is exactly the opposite.

[Anonymous]

Yes I’m the unethical parents of three beautiful and successful adult children. I’m sure the donor has long ago forgotten the few weeks she spent donating her eggs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes I’m the unethical parents of three beautiful and successful adult children. I’m sure the donor has long ago forgotten the few weeks she spent donating her eggs.

She can still see her scars from it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also agree that people should have a right to know their geentic and biological origins.

So do you support universal genetic testing and data collection by the state to give everyone that right?

That is the only way to do it.

I do agree that it's important for people to have the ability to know their genetic and biological origins.

It is not a human right, however. (Unless you support genetic surveillance of everyone - which I don't)

Designing humans that will never know one biological parent is a human rights violation by design. Preventing this scenario requires ethical laws, not "genetic surveillance".

Idk how you criminalize one night stands

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also agree that people should have a right to know their geentic and biological origins.

So do you support universal genetic testing and data collection by the state to give everyone that right?

That is the only way to do it.

I do agree that it's important for people to have the ability to know their genetic and biological origins.

It is not a human right, however. (Unless you support genetic surveillance of everyone - which I don't)

Designing humans that will never know one biological parent is a human rights violation by design. Preventing this scenario requires ethical laws, not "genetic surveillance".

I think being honest with your kids about their origins is ethical -- research shows that donor conceived children are happier and better adjusted if their donor-conceived status isn't sprung on them unexpectedly during a time of stress. Ensuring they "know" their biological contributors doesn't necessarily enter into it. If someone is abusive to their spouse I don't think preventing a child from knowing their parent's abuser, even if the abuser is a biological parent, is a human rights violation. Similarly, if a woman gets pregnant from a one-night stand, I don't think she has an ethical obligation to tell the biologic father or to get an abortion. She should be free to have and raise the child on her own if that's her preference.

That being said, open ID anonymous gamete donation is a good approach in my opinion -- the donor remains anonymous to the parents but the child has the option to be given their identity and contact information when they (the child) turn 18. I know this is not unheard of for sperm donation; not sure about egg donation but I think it's a good model. Keeps the legality tidy but doesn't cut the child off from their genetic relations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes I’m the unethical parents of three beautiful and successful adult children. I’m sure the donor has long ago forgotten the few weeks she spent donating her eggs.

She can still see her scars from it.

What scars?

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn't aware of this. I think surrogacy is probably unethical. Didn't realize about donor.

Surrogacy is completely unethical and banned in all right-thinking countries.

Spoken like someone who knows absolutely nothing about gestational surrogacy.

Spoken like someone with a barren womb who had to rent some poor woman's body to get her pwecious babies.

How gracious of you to talk to a cancer survivor as someone with a “barren womb”

You’re not entitled to a baby.

And you’re not entitled to police what others do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes I’m the unethical parents of three beautiful and successful adult children. I’m sure the donor has long ago forgotten the few weeks she spent donating her eggs.

She can still see her scars from it.

This tells me definitively you do not know anything about this process.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also agree that people should have a right to know their geentic and biological origins.

So do you support universal genetic testing and data collection by the state to give everyone that right?

That is the only way to do it.

I do agree that it's important for people to have the ability to know their genetic and biological origins.

It is not a human right, however. (Unless you support genetic surveillance of everyone - which I don't)

Designing humans that will never know one biological parent is a human rights violation by design. Preventing this scenario requires ethical laws, not "genetic surveillance".

I think being honest with your kids about their origins is ethical -- research shows that donor conceived children are happier and better adjusted if their donor-conceived status isn't sprung on them unexpectedly during a time of stress. Ensuring they "know" their biological contributors doesn't necessarily enter into it. If someone is abusive to their spouse I don't think preventing a child from knowing their parent's abuser, even if the abuser is a biological parent, is a human rights violation. Similarly, if a woman gets pregnant from a one-night stand, I don't think she has an ethical obligation to tell the biologic father or to get an abortion. She should be free to have and raise the child on her own if that's her preference.

That being said, open ID anonymous gamete donation is a good approach in my opinion -- the donor remains anonymous to the parents but the child has the option to be given their identity and contact information when they (the child) turn 18. I know this is not unheard of for sperm donation; not sure about egg donation but I think it's a good model. Keeps the legality tidy but doesn't cut the child off from their genetic relations.

Sure, whatever mental gymnastics you need to justify your choices. https://www.wearedonorconceived.com/