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Anonymous wrote:As a fellow FCPS teacher, I cringe at the comments posted by teachers on forum.

Which ones?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow I didn’t know if I just read to my kid that they would magically learn to read.

Stop being moronic- this is not how it works.especially if your kid is dyslexic

Dude.. this is exactly how it works for the overwhelming majority of kids! Yes, dyslexic kids and other kids with LD's will need professional help from school that parents can't do, but that is not the norm. Seriously, stop being lazy and read and talk to your kid during their first few and most important years of life! No teacher and no school will parent your kids for you; even if they wanted to and they were the best in the world at it, they couldn't possibly do it at a 20/1 ratio!

No, it’s not how the majority of kids learn to read. I am a school psychologist and see everyday the devastating results of administrators and teachers promoting this idea. Most kids need direct instruction and practice in sounding out words in order to read well. Most do NOT learn just by being read to, not by looking at picture clues, not by memorizing some sight words and reading books with a repeated pattern so guessing words works.

+1. If this instruction (balanced) worked, you wouldn’t see a system like MCPS delivering such low reading scores by third grade. This goes beyond just remediation of dyslexic children.

https://wamu.org/story/19/05/20/many-school-districts-hesitate-to-say-students-have-dyslexia-that-can-lead-to-problems/

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Anonymous wrote:My older daughter was "taught to read" using this shit approach and is STILL behind and not reading well. F_ her kindergarten teacher.

You could take part of the blame as well. It’s not all on teachers.

Why? This was my first child and I trusted the school to teach my child how to read, and I trusted them when I said "she can't read these specific beginner books, is that a problem?" and they said "nope, she's right where she should be." How was I to know any better? I think he moral of the story here is you can't trust educators, which is so, so sad.

Spot on, that's why parents have to be the primary source of teaching for their children until they can fly solo (hopefully by middle school). Listen to, be respectful, but take teacher feedback with some skepticism; you as a parent can (and should) independently assess your kid at a young age and draw your own conclusions in addition to teacher, to reduce risk.

That’s fine and all but in a two parent working household why all the high property taxes to fund schools whose employees now say ‘do it yourself’. If we are Home Depot’ing it than please let’s cut the 3 billion dollar budgets of MCPS and FCPS and we will redirect funds to teach ourselves the science of learning or find a tutor immersed in direct instruction, phonics, abacus method for math, et al.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My older daughter was "taught to read" using this shit approach and is STILL behind and not reading well. F_ her kindergarten teacher.

You could take part of the blame as well. It’s not all on teachers.

Why? This was my first child and I trusted the school to teach my child how to read, and I trusted them when I said "she can't read these specific beginner books, is that a problem?" and they said "nope, she's right where she should be." How was I to know any better? I think he moral of the story here is you can't trust educators, which is so, so sad.

Spot on, that's why parents have to be the primary source of teaching for their children until they can fly solo (hopefully by middle school). Listen to, be respectful, but take teacher feedback with some skepticism; you as a parent can (and should) independently assess your kid at a young age and draw your own conclusions in addition to teacher, to reduce risk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Wow I didn’t know if I just read to my kid that they would magically learn to read.

Stop being moronic- this is not how it works.especially if your kid is dyslexic

Dude.. this is exactly how it works for the overwhelming majority of kids! Yes, dyslexic kids and other kids with LD's will need professional help from school that parents can't do, but that is not the norm. Seriously, stop being lazy and read and talk to your kid during their first few and most important years of life! No teacher and no school will parent your kids for you; even if they wanted to and they were the best in the world at it, they couldn't possibly do it at a 20/1 ratio!

No, it’s not how the majority of kids learn to read. I am a school psychologist and see everyday the devastating results of administrators and teachers promoting this idea. Most kids need direct instruction and practice in sounding out words in order to read well. Most do NOT learn just by being read to, not by looking at picture clues, not by memorizing some sight words and reading books with a repeated pattern so guessing words works.

+1. If this instruction (balanced) worked, you wouldn’t see a system like MCPS delivering such low reading scores by third grade. This goes beyond just remediation of dyslexic children.

https://wamu.org/story/19/05/20/many-school-districts-hesitate-to-say-students-have-dyslexia-that-can-lead-to-problems/

1 in 5 students present some characteristics of dyslexia— there certainly is a spectrum. With numbers like this, it boggles my mind why systematic, evidenced based, reading instruction was not mandatory in all elementary classrooms.

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Anonymous wrote:so if I am the primary educational source for my kid- why do I pay taxes to support schools. Also, how many posts have I seen on here- respect the teachers! But now- they don't want to be accountable for reading outcomes and the inability or unwillingness to teach? I am so confused. Please pick a side and stay on it. Also- you want more money?

As the primary educator, all you need to do is the basic that most of us had. Read picture books, do letter puzzles, ABC games, etc. Kids learn very quickly in the first 5 years and can go into kinder with all their letters with minimum parent effort.

Just remember that there is a large percentage of kids who are ESOL students and low income students who don’t learn much of anything in terms of the alphabet and phonemic awareness prior to starting school. Not everyone in this area teaches their kids before sending them to school.

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Anonymous wrote:My older daughter was "taught to read" using this shit approach and is STILL behind and not reading well. F_ her kindergarten teacher.

You could take part of the blame as well. It’s not all on teachers.

Why? This was my first child and I trusted the school to teach my child how to read, and I trusted them when I said "she can't read these specific beginner books, is that a problem?" and they said "nope, she's right where she should be." How was I to know any better? I think he moral of the story here is you can't trust educators, which is so, so sad.

Spot on, that's why parents have to be the primary source of teaching for their children until they can fly solo (hopefully by middle school). Listen to, be respectful, but take teacher feedback with some skepticism; you as a parent can (and should) independently assess your kid at a young age and draw your own conclusions in addition to teacher, to reduce risk.

That’s fine and all but in a two parent working household why all the high property taxes to fund schools whose employees now say ‘do it yourself’. If we are Home Depot’ing it than please let’s cut the 3 billion dollar budgets of MCPS and FCPS and we will redirect funds to teach ourselves the science of learning or find a tutor immersed in direct instruction, phonics, abacus method for math, et al.

No one is saying “do it yourself”. All the posts say things need to happen at school and home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My older daughter was "taught to read" using this shit approach and is STILL behind and not reading well. F_ her kindergarten teacher.

You could take part of the blame as well. It’s not all on teachers.

Why? This was my first child and I trusted the school to teach my child how to read, and I trusted them when I said "she can't read these specific beginner books, is that a problem?" and they said "nope, she's right where she should be." How was I to know any better? I think he moral of the story here is you can't trust educators, which is so, so sad.

Spot on, that's why parents have to be the primary source of teaching for their children until they can fly solo (hopefully by middle school). Listen to, be respectful, but take teacher feedback with some skepticism; you as a parent can (and should) independently assess your kid at a young age and draw your own conclusions in addition to teacher, to reduce risk.

That’s fine and all but in a two parent working household why all the high property taxes to fund schools whose employees now say ‘do it yourself’. If we are Home Depot’ing it than please let’s cut the 3 billion dollar budgets of MCPS and FCPS and we will redirect funds to teach ourselves the science of learning or find a tutor immersed in direct instruction, phonics, abacus method for math, et al.

No one is saying “do it yourself”. All the posts say things need to happen at school and home.

Unfortunately in our experience, the school said my 1st grader was reading “just fine”, and the report card showed it—mostly all 4s in LA! We transferred him to a Catholic school (not for this reason), and his teacher was alarmed by his (lack of) reading progress. He was immediately put into a FIVE days per week reading intervention. I felt like such an idiot for not pushing my concerns with his 1st grade teacher. And, I’m not blaming the teacher. She may not have known better, and it’s likely my son was performing similar to his peers. The whole thing is frustrating, for all involved.

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Anonymous wrote:My older daughter was "taught to read" using this shit approach and is STILL behind and not reading well. F_ her kindergarten teacher.

You could take part of the blame as well. It’s not all on teachers.

Why? This was my first child and I trusted the school to teach my child how to read, and I trusted them when I said "she can't read these specific beginner books, is that a problem?" and they said "nope, she's right where she should be." How was I to know any better? I think he moral of the story here is you can't trust educators, which is so, so sad.

Spot on, that's why parents have to be the primary source of teaching for their children until they can fly solo (hopefully by middle school). Listen to, be respectful, but take teacher feedback with some skepticism; you as a parent can (and should) independently assess your kid at a young age and draw your own conclusions in addition to teacher, to reduce risk.

That’s fine and all but in a two parent working household why all the high property taxes to fund schools whose employees now say ‘do it yourself’. If we are Home Depot’ing it than please let’s cut the 3 billion dollar budgets of MCPS and FCPS and we will redirect funds to teach ourselves the science of learning or find a tutor immersed in direct instruction, phonics, abacus method for math, et al.

No one is saying “do it yourself”. All the posts say things need to happen at school and home.

Unfortunately in our experience, the school said my 1st grader was reading “just fine”, and the report card showed it—mostly all 4s in LA! We transferred him to a Catholic school (not for this reason), and his teacher was alarmed by his (lack of) reading progress. He was immediately put into a FIVE days per week reading intervention. I felt like such an idiot for not pushing my concerns with his 1st grade teacher. And, I’m not blaming the teacher. She may not have known better, and it’s likely my son was performing similar to his peers. The whole thing is frustrating, for all involved.

Grades in public school, especially in the primary grades, are meaningless.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My older daughter was "taught to read" using this shit approach and is STILL behind and not reading well. F_ her kindergarten teacher.

You could take part of the blame as well. It’s not all on teachers.

Why? This was my first child and I trusted the school to teach my child how to read, and I trusted them when I said "she can't read these specific beginner books, is that a problem?" and they said "nope, she's right where she should be." How was I to know any better? I think he moral of the story here is you can't trust educators, which is so, so sad.

Spot on, that's why parents have to be the primary source of teaching for their children until they can fly solo (hopefully by middle school). Listen to, be respectful, but take teacher feedback with some skepticism; you as a parent can (and should) independently assess your kid at a young age and draw your own conclusions in addition to teacher, to reduce risk.

That’s fine and all but in a two parent working household why all the high property taxes to fund schools whose employees now say ‘do it yourself’. If we are Home Depot’ing it than please let’s cut the 3 billion dollar budgets of MCPS and FCPS and we will redirect funds to teach ourselves the science of learning or find a tutor immersed in direct instruction, phonics, abacus method for math, et al.

No one is saying “do it yourself”. All the posts say things need to happen at school and home.

Unfortunately in our experience, the school said my 1st grader was reading “just fine”, and the report card showed it—mostly all 4s in LA! We transferred him to a Catholic school (not for this reason), and his teacher was alarmed by his (lack of) reading progress. He was immediately put into a FIVE days per week reading intervention. I felt like such an idiot for not pushing my concerns with his 1st grade teacher. And, I’m not blaming the teacher. She may not have known better, and it’s likely my son was performing similar to his peers. The whole thing is frustrating, for all involved.

Grades in public school, especially in the primary grades, are meaningless.

So this mom was supposed to know that top grades meant her child needed remediation? Just stop it already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow I didn’t know if I just read to my kid that they would magically learn to read.

Stop being moronic- this is not how it works.especially if your kid is dyslexic

Dude.. this is exactly how it works for the overwhelming majority of kids! Yes, dyslexic kids and other kids with LD's will need professional help from school that parents can't do, but that is not the norm. Seriously, stop being lazy and read and talk to your kid during their first few and most important years of life! No teacher and no school will parent your kids for you; even if they wanted to and they were the best in the world at it, they couldn't possibly do it at a 20/1 ratio!

No, it’s not how the majority of kids learn to read. I am a school psychologist and see everyday the devastating results of administrators and teachers promoting this idea. Most kids need direct instruction and practice in sounding out words in order to read well. Most do NOT learn just by being read to, not by looking at picture clues, not by memorizing some sight words and reading books with a repeated pattern so guessing words works.

+1. If this instruction (balanced) worked, you wouldn’t see a system like MCPS delivering such low reading scores by third grade. This goes beyond just remediation of dyslexic children.

https://wamu.org/story/19/05/20/many-school-districts-hesitate-to-say-students-have-dyslexia-that-can-lead-to-problems/

1 in 5 students present some characteristics of dyslexia— there certainly is a spectrum. With numbers like this, it boggles my mind why systematic, evidenced based, reading instruction was not mandatory in all elementary classrooms.

It. Is.
https://www.billtrack50.com/BillDetail/1423892

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My older daughter was "taught to read" using this shit approach and is STILL behind and not reading well. F_ her kindergarten teacher.

You could take part of the blame as well. It’s not all on teachers.

Why? This was my first child and I trusted the school to teach my child how to read, and I trusted them when I said "she can't read these specific beginner books, is that a problem?" and they said "nope, she's right where she should be." How was I to know any better? I think he moral of the story here is you can't trust educators, which is so, so sad.

Spot on, that's why parents have to be the primary source of teaching for their children until they can fly solo (hopefully by middle school). Listen to, be respectful, but take teacher feedback with some skepticism; you as a parent can (and should) independently assess your kid at a young age and draw your own conclusions in addition to teacher, to reduce risk.

That’s fine and all but in a two parent working household why all the high property taxes to fund schools whose employees now say ‘do it yourself’. If we are Home Depot’ing it than please let’s cut the 3 billion dollar budgets of MCPS and FCPS and we will redirect funds to teach ourselves the science of learning or find a tutor immersed in direct instruction, phonics, abacus method for math, et al.

No one is saying “do it yourself”. All the posts say things need to happen at school and home.

Unfortunately in our experience, the school said my 1st grader was reading “just fine”, and the report card showed it—mostly all 4s in LA! We transferred him to a Catholic school (not for this reason), and his teacher was alarmed by his (lack of) reading progress. He was immediately put into a FIVE days per week reading intervention. I felt like such an idiot for not pushing my concerns with his 1st grade teacher. And, I’m not blaming the teacher. She may not have known better, and it’s likely my son was performing similar to his peers. The whole thing is frustrating, for all involved.

Grades in public school, especially in the primary grades, are meaningless.

That doesn't have to be the case. It didn't used to be the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My older daughter was "taught to read" using this shit approach and is STILL behind and not reading well. F_ her kindergarten teacher.

You could take part of the blame as well. It’s not all on teachers.

Why? This was my first child and I trusted the school to teach my child how to read, and I trusted them when I said "she can't read these specific beginner books, is that a problem?" and they said "nope, she's right where she should be." How was I to know any better? I think he moral of the story here is you can't trust educators, which is so, so sad.

Spot on, that's why parents have to be the primary source of teaching for their children until they can fly solo (hopefully by middle school). Listen to, be respectful, but take teacher feedback with some skepticism; you as a parent can (and should) independently assess your kid at a young age and draw your own conclusions in addition to teacher, to reduce risk.

That’s fine and all but in a two parent working household why all the high property taxes to fund schools whose employees now say ‘do it yourself’. If we are Home Depot’ing it than please let’s cut the 3 billion dollar budgets of MCPS and FCPS and we will redirect funds to teach ourselves the science of learning or find a tutor immersed in direct instruction, phonics, abacus method for math, et al.

No one is saying “do it yourself”. All the posts say things need to happen at school and home.

So what happens to the kids whose parents don't speak English well? Or read themselves? Or who work 80 hour jobs to put food on the table and don't have time for enrichment for their kids, or money to buy games and puzzles? We just assume those kids will fail? This is why public schools were created in America - to help ALL the kids learn - not just the ones whose parents can do part of the teaching at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My older daughter was "taught to read" using this shit approach and is STILL behind and not reading well. F_ her kindergarten teacher.

You could take part of the blame as well. It’s not all on teachers.

Why? This was my first child and I trusted the school to teach my child how to read, and I trusted them when I said "she can't read these specific beginner books, is that a problem?" and they said "nope, she's right where she should be." How was I to know any better? I think he moral of the story here is you can't trust educators, which is so, so sad.

Spot on, that's why parents have to be the primary source of teaching for their children until they can fly solo (hopefully by middle school). Listen to, be respectful, but take teacher feedback with some skepticism; you as a parent can (and should) independently assess your kid at a young age and draw your own conclusions in addition to teacher, to reduce risk.

That’s fine and all but in a two parent working household why all the high property taxes to fund schools whose employees now say ‘do it yourself’. If we are Home Depot’ing it than please let’s cut the 3 billion dollar budgets of MCPS and FCPS and we will redirect funds to teach ourselves the science of learning or find a tutor immersed in direct instruction, phonics, abacus method for math, et al.

No one is saying “do it yourself”. All the posts say things need to happen at school and home.

So what happens to the kids whose parents don't speak English well? Or read themselves? Or who work 80 hour jobs to put food on the table and don't have time for enrichment for their kids, or money to buy games and puzzles? We just assume those kids will fail? This is why public schools were created in America - to help ALL the kids learn - not just the ones whose parents can do part of the teaching at home.

Presumably they end up dyslexic and incarcerated like they deserve for not attending school faithfully enough like a PP suggested.

I'm not fighting back against this crap only for my kid, it's for these kids. These people exist and lots of them are doing everything they possibly can and then some. They are not less worthy of a basic education than the rest of us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My older daughter was "taught to read" using this shit approach and is STILL behind and not reading well. F_ her kindergarten teacher.

You could take part of the blame as well. It’s not all on teachers.

Why? This was my first child and I trusted the school to teach my child how to read, and I trusted them when I said "she can't read these specific beginner books, is that a problem?" and they said "nope, she's right where she should be." How was I to know any better? I think he moral of the story here is you can't trust educators, which is so, so sad.

Spot on, that's why parents have to be the primary source of teaching for their children until they can fly solo (hopefully by middle school). Listen to, be respectful, but take teacher feedback with some skepticism; you as a parent can (and should) independently assess your kid at a young age and draw your own conclusions in addition to teacher, to reduce risk.

That’s fine and all but in a two parent working household why all the high property taxes to fund schools whose employees now say ‘do it yourself’. If we are Home Depot’ing it than please let’s cut the 3 billion dollar budgets of MCPS and FCPS and we will redirect funds to teach ourselves the science of learning or find a tutor immersed in direct instruction, phonics, abacus method for math, et al.

No one is saying “do it yourself”. All the posts say things need to happen at school and home.

So what happens to the kids whose parents don't speak English well? Or read themselves? Or who work 80 hour jobs to put food on the table and don't have time for enrichment for their kids, or money to buy games and puzzles? We just assume those kids will fail? This is why public schools were created in America - to help ALL the kids learn - not just the ones whose parents can do part of the teaching at home.

Presumably they end up dyslexic and incarcerated like they deserve for not attending school faithfully enough like a PP suggested.

I'm not fighting back against this crap only for my kid, it's for these kids. These people exist and lots of them are doing everything they possibly can and then some. They are not less worthy of a basic education than the rest of us.

Right, but remember that during the election when people attack CRT and reading programs. Sorry to make this political, but education is a mix of politics and money at all times.

Phonics is not going to cure poverty and dyslexia. Can it help to have more systematic phonics instruction? Yes a little
Is it going to rid the world of these issues? Absolutely not.

Republican strategy is to get upset about school decisions and say no one is listening to parents and parent rights should rule. Meanwhile laws have already been passed mandating phonics in Virginia.

The larger game is that Republicans are trying to get people to vote for Republicans under the premise that they will pass already passed laws and give “parent’s rights”. Once they are elected into the state legislature and school boards, the plan is give to school vouchers to private schools and open charters which will lead to the erosion of public school systems.

You can of course write this off crazy and are currently free to vote how you would like to. Republicans watched Youngkin win on this platform and it is working well for them in other places so they will continue to use it.