So what celebs DON’T get work done (if any)?

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Everyone has had work and tweets done.
Kate Beckensale has been known to have had tons of work done and you can’t even tell.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to point out the obvious, but most Black actresses …

This is so untrue. Kerry Washington, Halle Berry, Angela Basset, Beyoncé….They’ve all had work done.

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I just started watching season 2 of The Morning Show and it took me forever to recognize Julianna Margulies. Is it because she's had a lot of work done or the opposite?

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Anonymous wrote:I hate to break it to the haters, but it is possible to get botox and still look relatively your own age and have wrinkles. It's not the plastic face that many people assume it is (though it can be, when severely overdone in quantity and # of areas).

You keep telling yourself that, but you look like you have done botox if you have done botox.

Nah. My husband is vehemently opposed to Botox...doesn't realize I've been doing it for years

Mine too. He hates it and thinks it looks weird and fake. He can always tell when someone has Botox!

I've been getting a very light dose every 4 months for years.

lol, me too. He has no idea and is critical of it. I've been getting it 4 times a year for 10 years.
I am never completely frozen--I actually can't freeze my forehead. I don't respond that well to the neurotoxins--I always retain partial mobility.

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I think maybe Annette Benning is close to natural; she has jowls.




Lack of jowls/sagging is often a clear sign that a "natural" celebrity has had a face and/or neck lift. Their skin will be wrinkled (eye crinkles, forehead wrinkles) but their jawline completely clean and youthful. This doesn't happen naturally.
It looks "natural" (no weird fillers or frozen face) but it's anything but.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone has had work and tweets done.
Kate Beckensale has been known to have had tons of work done and you can’t even tell.

It is extremely obvious that Kate Beckinsale has had tons of work done. Her before and after nose look nothing like each other. But she had it done fairly young so people forget. She is beautiful but very “done” looking.

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Anonymous wrote:I think maybe Annette Benning is close to natural; she has jowls.




Lack of jowls/sagging is often a clear sign that a "natural" celebrity has had a face and/or neck lift. Their skin will be wrinkled (eye crinkles, forehead wrinkles) but their jawline completely clean and youthful. This doesn't happen naturally.
It looks "natural" (no weird fillers or frozen face) but it's anything but.

Honestly, I kind of feel like this is the way to do it. Taking notes for myself in a few years!

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Just wanted to comment on "the "subtle Botox" you get done probably doesn't improve your appearance to others as much as you think it does." This might sound corny/unrealistic, but isn't feeling better about yourself at least half the game? If the person who gets it feels better about how they look, that is probably all that actually matters...assuming you aren't a 35+ actress still trying to get a job that is...

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Anonymous wrote:I just started watching season 2 of The Morning Show and it took me forever to recognize Julianna Margulies. Is it because she's had a lot of work done or the opposite?

I think both.

Some of this is just aging around the eyes and so on, but there's def injectables going on.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate to break it to the haters, but it is possible to get botox and still look relatively your own age and have wrinkles. It's not the plastic face that many people assume it is (though it can be, when severely overdone in quantity and # of areas).

You keep telling yourself that, but you look like you have done botox if you have done botox.

+1 Do you think people come up to you and say, "Did you get some botox done?" No. They go home and say, her forehead looks like Lake Placid on a calm day.

I cannot stand the look of botox. Like a bunch of freaks from another planet trying to pass as human. I can't watch the news when the newscasters have foreheads and mouth muscles that don't move. I just change the channel.

Botox is not different than foot binding. The things women do to their bodies....

This POV is insane to me. This PP has clearly never had Botox, and the fact that they think they are an expert is baffling. Of course we all know what you mean about the overdone look. But for every one of those there are many more that are...just well done. Subtle.

I think half of these quips are rooted in jealousy and bitterness (even subconscious) and the others are just stodgy and/or afraid of intervention. Which is fine, on a personal level, but to attack other people with such vitriol and fallacy? Weird!

I don't need to experience botox for myself to see what it looks like in others. It does not look good. It's visible and strange. That is not a fallacy. Sorry, but you can insist you are an expert all you want but having botox doesn't make you an expert in how you look to others. That's like saying, "People keep telling me this is dress looks hideous on me, but I'M the one wearing it so I know best how it looks."

DP.

First of all, you don't seem to understand that it's visible and strange if it's visible and strange. I highly doubt you work for a dermatologist or an aesthetician. You don't know people's medical history.

Your logic seems to be that it is always, inevitably, visible and strange. But the only way to know that would be to do run a more "blind" experiment. Look at 100 people, decide whom you think has had it done, and be presented with objective evidence of who actually has. You've presented zero evidence that disproves my hypothesis-- which is that you pretty much only notice the noticeable Botox. How do you know that my hypothesis isn't true, besides your own belief?

If you are really looking for it, I will concede that you can often tell if someone got Botox in the last month or so, especially in the forehead. There are a lot of conditions, though-- mostly just certain areas, people who either get a lot or metabolize it a certain way, they pretty much just got it, etc.

But by definition, most people you see with Botox are more than a month out, and have regained more natural movement. At that point, it's more of a reduction in movement than freezing-- if it ever was for that person. It usually literally just looks like they looked 10-20 years earlier. They raise their eyebrows, and their brows go up, but the lines you see just look less etched in, less deep.

But that brings up another point-- a lot of people who get it are in their early 40s, 30s-- sometimes even their 20s-- so the difference between what you'd expect without Botox and what you're seeing with a little (maybe prophylactic) is not going to be profound. This also goes for darker-skinned women. And it's also true if you've known someone for a while and they've been doing a little for a long time, they may just appear to be aging slowly, which some people naturally do.

Plus, your analogy is not based on what's being exchanged here.

While it's true and logical to state that you can't be an expert in how you look to other people, this is not what's happening:

"People keep telling me this is dress looks hideous on me, but I'M the one wearing it so I know best how it looks."

It could happen, but your analogy assumes facts not in evidence-- wildly not in evidence, in fact.

What's happening in this conversation, anyway, is more like:

"PP who has never seen me is telling me they KNOW my yellow dress looks hideous on me, because all people who wear yellow dresses look hideous. But everyone IRL who does comment tells me I look fabulous in yellow, and I think I look fabulous. So even though everyone could be lying to me, and maybe some are, I'm guessing my account is more likely to be accurate."

Ah, I had time today.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate to break it to the haters, but it is possible to get botox and still look relatively your own age and have wrinkles. It's not the plastic face that many people assume it is (though it can be, when severely overdone in quantity and # of areas).

You keep telling yourself that, but you look like you have done botox if you have done botox.

+1 Do you think people come up to you and say, "Did you get some botox done?" No. They go home and say, her forehead looks like Lake Placid on a calm day.

I cannot stand the look of botox. Like a bunch of freaks from another planet trying to pass as human. I can't watch the news when the newscasters have foreheads and mouth muscles that don't move. I just change the channel.

Botox is not different than foot binding. The things women do to their bodies....

This POV is insane to me. This PP has clearly never had Botox, and the fact that they think they are an expert is baffling. Of course we all know what you mean about the overdone look. But for every one of those there are many more that are...just well done. Subtle.

I think half of these quips are rooted in jealousy and bitterness (even subconscious) and the others are just stodgy and/or afraid of intervention. Which is fine, on a personal level, but to attack other people with such vitriol and fallacy? Weird!

I don't need to experience botox for myself to see what it looks like in others. It does not look good. It's visible and strange. That is not a fallacy. Sorry, but you can insist you are an expert all you want but having botox doesn't make you an expert in how you look to others. That's like saying, "People keep telling me this is dress looks hideous on me, but I'M the one wearing it so I know best how it looks."

DP.

First of all, you don't seem to understand that it's visible and strange if it's visible and strange. I highly doubt you work for a dermatologist or an aesthetician. You don't know people's medical history.

Your logic seems to be that it is always, inevitably, visible and strange. But the only way to know that would be to do run a more "blind" experiment. Look at 100 people, decide whom you think has had it done, and be presented with objective evidence of who actually has. You've presented zero evidence that disproves my hypothesis-- which is that you pretty much only notice the noticeable Botox. How do you know that my hypothesis isn't true, besides your own belief?

If you are really looking for it, I will concede that you can often tell if someone got Botox in the last month or so, especially in the forehead. There are a lot of conditions, though-- mostly just certain areas, people who either get a lot or metabolize it a certain way, they pretty much just got it, etc.

But by definition, most people you see with Botox are more than a month out, and have regained more natural movement. At that point, it's more of a reduction in movement than freezing-- if it ever was for that person. It usually literally just looks like they looked 10-20 years earlier. They raise their eyebrows, and their brows go up, but the lines you see just look less etched in, less deep.

But that brings up another point-- a lot of people who get it are in their early 40s, 30s-- sometimes even their 20s-- so the difference between what you'd expect without Botox and what you're seeing with a little (maybe prophylactic) is not going to be profound. This also goes for darker-skinned women. And it's also true if you've known someone for a while and they've been doing a little for a long time, they may just appear to be aging slowly, which some people naturally do.

Plus, your analogy is not based on what's being exchanged here.

While it's true and logical to state that you can't be an expert in how you look to other people, this is not what's happening:

"People keep telling me this is dress looks hideous on me, but I'M the one wearing it so I know best how it looks."

It could happen, but your analogy assumes facts not in evidence-- wildly not in evidence, in fact.

What's happening in this conversation, anyway, is more like:

"PP who has never seen me is telling me they KNOW my yellow dress looks hideous on me, because all people who wear yellow dresses look hideous. But everyone IRL who does comment tells me I look fabulous in yellow, and I think I look fabulous. So even though everyone could be lying to me, and maybe some are, I'm guessing my account is more likely to be accurate."

Ah, I had time today.

Basically, how do you KNOW the people you don't think had Botox have actually not had Botox?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to point out the obvious, but most Black actresses …

This is so untrue. Kerry Washington, Halle Berry, Angela Basset, Beyoncé….They’ve all had work done.

Yes, but obviously, not for the same anti-aging purposes as white actresses, and not the same degree/intensity.

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Anonymous wrote:OP again. So this is the SJP photo I saw. I'm still unsure of what to make of it. She's 57 and looks great for 57 if you ask me -- this is not me insulting her looks. I'm just looking at the texture of her skin (it's a set photo so she's wearing camera makeup and still you can see aged texture) plus the lines around her mouth, nose, and on her forehead. Also a hint of jowels. I wonder if maybe she's has very subtle Botox/fillers as a PP suggested but nothing that would impact how she looks too much.

Honestly, this is how I'd like to age. But people say it's impossible without lots of intervention. Yet she looks her age (but good) and I don't see a hint of any of the tell tale signs of lots of work -- no lip flip, none of the weird ridges you see around the eye socket with too much Botox, no weird puffiness. At least not to my untrained eye.

Doesn't look like she's getting much done. Probably rather age naturally than look weird and puffy. She's also probably too thin. She's probably look better if she gained a few lbs.

Maybe a facelift.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate to break it to the haters, but it is possible to get botox and still look relatively your own age and have wrinkles. It's not the plastic face that many people assume it is (though it can be, when severely overdone in quantity and # of areas).

You keep telling yourself that, but you look like you have done botox if you have done botox.

+1 Do you think people come up to you and say, "Did you get some botox done?" No. They go home and say, her forehead looks like Lake Placid on a calm day.

I cannot stand the look of botox. Like a bunch of freaks from another planet trying to pass as human. I can't watch the news when the newscasters have foreheads and mouth muscles that don't move. I just change the channel.

Botox is not different than foot binding. The things women do to their bodies....

This POV is insane to me. This PP has clearly never had Botox, and the fact that they think they are an expert is baffling. Of course we all know what you mean about the overdone look. But for every one of those there are many more that are...just well done. Subtle.

I think half of these quips are rooted in jealousy and bitterness (even subconscious) and the others are just stodgy and/or afraid of intervention. Which is fine, on a personal level, but to attack other people with such vitriol and fallacy? Weird!

I am not the PP you are responding to. People like you are the problem. A different opinion from yours must mean they are bitter and jealous? If people don't want to have cosmetic work done they must be stodgy and afraid?

Please get over yourself.

The vitriol in the world is all directed at people who don't focus on appearance. You call them "stodgy" or "frumpy" or tell them they are "letting themselves go". etc etc etc. You all are just nasty.

The fallacy is the BS that you have been brainwashed with by the beauty industry so that they can make money. It's really that simple.

No one *needs* any of this nonsense, but there are plenty of people like you in the world who are ready to insult people who age naturally.

Honestly F off. We are not jealous of you. We are annoyed by you.

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Jennifer Lopez looks natural!