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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I hate to break it to the haters, but it is possible to get botox and still look relatively your own age and have wrinkles. It's not the plastic face that many people assume it is (though it can be, when severely overdone in quantity and # of areas). [/quote]

You keep telling yourself that, but you look like you have done botox if you have done botox.[/quote]

+1 Do you think people come up to you and say, "Did you get some botox done?" No. They go home and say, her forehead looks like Lake Placid on a calm day.

I cannot stand the look of botox. Like a bunch of freaks from another planet trying to pass as human. I can't watch the news when the newscasters have foreheads and mouth muscles that don't move. I just change the channel.

Botox is not different than foot binding. The things women do to their bodies....[/quote]

This POV is insane to me. This PP has clearly never had Botox, and the fact that they think they are an expert is baffling. Of course we all know what you mean about the overdone look. But for every one of those there are many more that are...just well done. Subtle.

I think half of these quips are rooted in jealousy and bitterness (even subconscious) and the others are just stodgy and/or afraid of intervention. Which is fine, on a personal level, but to attack other people with such vitriol and fallacy? Weird![/quote]

I don't need to experience botox for myself to see what it looks like in others. It does not look good. [b]It's visible and strange.[/b] That is not a fallacy. Sorry, but you can insist you are an expert all you want but having botox doesn't make you an expert in how you look to others. That's like saying, "People keep telling me this is dress looks hideous on me, but I'M the one wearing it so I know best how it looks."[/quote]

DP.

First of all, you don't seem to understand that it's visible and strange [i]if it's visible and strange[/i]. I highly doubt you work for a dermatologist or an aesthetician. You don't know people's medical history.

Your logic seems to be that it is always, inevitably, visible and strange. But the only way to know that would be to do run a more "blind" experiment. Look at 100 people, decide whom you think has had it done, and be presented with objective evidence of who actually has. You've presented zero evidence that disproves my hypothesis-- which is that you pretty much only notice the noticeable Botox. How do you know that my hypothesis isn't true, besides your own belief?

[i]If [/i]you are really looking for it, I will concede that you can often tell if someone got Botox in the last month or so, especially in the forehead. There are a lot of conditions, though-- mostly just certain areas, people who either get a lot or metabolize it a certain way, they pretty much just got it, etc.

But by definition, most people you see with Botox are more than a month out, and have regained more natural movement. At that point, it's more of a reduction in movement than freezing-- if it ever was for that person. It usually literally just looks like they looked 10-20 years earlier. They raise their eyebrows, and their brows go up, but the lines you see just look less etched in, less deep.

But that brings up another point-- a lot of people who get it are in their early 40s, 30s-- sometimes even their 20s-- so the difference between what you'd expect without Botox and what you're seeing with a little (maybe prophylactic) is not going to be profound. This also goes for darker-skinned women. And it's also true if you've known someone for a while and they've been doing a little for a long time, they may just appear to be aging slowly, which some people naturally do.

Plus, your analogy is not based on what's being exchanged here.

While it's true and logical to state that you can't be an expert in how [i]you[/i] look to [i]other people[/i], this is not what's happening:

"People keep telling me this is dress looks hideous on me, but I'M the one wearing it so I know best how it looks."

It [i]could[/i] happen, but your analogy assumes facts not in evidence-- wildly not in evidence, in fact.

What's happening in this conversation, anyway, is more like:

"PP who has never seen me is telling me they KNOW my yellow dress looks hideous on me, because all people who wear yellow dresses look hideous. But everyone IRL who does comment tells me I look fabulous in yellow, and I think I look fabulous. So even though everyone could be lying to me, and maybe [i]some[/i] are, I'm guessing my account is more likely to be accurate."

Ah, I had time today.
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