Trip to Naples, FL - should we cancel?

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My exh has a house on Sanibel. They were going to retire there. They are in shock, I think. Right now the impulse is to rebuild but I don't know how that will come to fruition.

I do agree it is going to be an interesting conversation and debate to be had going forward about the economic viability of rebuilding infrastructure worth billions of dollars in the face of climate change.

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No federal money to such high-risk places. The taxpayer DOES NOT WANT to subsidize such a losing proposition.

If crazy people want to live on barrier islands and unprotected and wind/flood-prone shorelines and inlets, then they can just pay for it themselves. No government insurance, no federal money to rebuild. If you persist in staying put when the hurricane hits, at most, you can hope to be rescued by boat/copter when the winds die down, hours to days later. Plenty of time to drown.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I'd cancel. I have a trip to Sanibel scheduled in December and I'm wondering if we'll need to cancel.

You absolutely need to cancel. There is nothing left of Sanibel. It’s 95% under water.

I wonder if they will ever rebuild once the water recedes. If it fully recedes. . In-laws go there every February but even they realize that’s not going to happen this year.

So they are going to rebuild on that island? Looks like they will have to rebuild the bridge, road, sewers, power connections, etc and the island(that island will need a massive sand replenishment program) before they can rebuild the vacation homes. Maybe it would be better to not rebuild there? The next storm will wipe it out again.

They’ll rebuild. Just like they rebuild Duck and Hatteras and Long Island and all the other places where wealthy people have homes. There is no money to buy everyone out. It would cost billions.

All they need to do is not repair the road or bridge or condemn the properties.

There is no money to buy everyone out.

Why would they have to buy everyone out? Can’t they just not rebuilt the infrastructure?

That makes the land and property of thousands of citizens worthless.

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Anonymous wrote:We just got news that our place in Naples, very close to the beach and in the red zone, had no water intrusion. The streets around our development had 4-5 feet of water at one point but the houses were built up a bit. Power should be restored in the next few days.

I'd probably still cancel for next week, particularly if staying on or near the beach but some areas, especially to the east of 41, may be okay.

Wow you're optimistic. Get some perspective

np.

Nah. I think it's the people making blanket statements that hurricane recovery is going to take "years" need some perspective.

I'm an emergency manager so I know first hand that in some cases, full recovery takes years. It was not a blanket statement. We responded to Katrina, and all the other storms that year. Homes had blue tarps for years. Infrastructure took a very long time to repair. What I said was that the recovery will take weeks, months and years - that is the truth. Have you seen the Sanibel footage? How long do you think those bridge repairs will take? Residents will be impacted for a very long time. That does not mean that tourists should stay away for that long. That being said, it's incredible selfish for the OP and others to be worried about a vacation. It's almost unbelievable they would ask.

Oh these area are republicans areas. They will get so much federal aid money they will not be able to spend it all. DeSantis and Marco Rubio will not vote against this money. Let’s get those bridges to sand bars rebuilt so we can rebuild all the houses(roads and sewers) out there pronto! Also maybe the federal government can take over the state insurance program. The state and private insurance companies do not want anything to do with it.

Ron DeSantis as a congressman opposed aid to victims of Hurricane Sandy, we must not forget that. Azzwipe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My exh has a house on Sanibel. They were going to retire there. They are in shock, I think. Right now the impulse is to rebuild but I don't know how that will come to fruition.

I do agree it is going to be an interesting conversation and debate to be had going forward about the economic viability of rebuilding infrastructure worth billions of dollars in the face of climate change.

It’s florida and their governor is the face of climate change denial. He’s a right wing hack. Of course they’ll take as much federal aid as they can and rebuild.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I'd cancel. I have a trip to Sanibel scheduled in December and I'm wondering if we'll need to cancel.

You absolutely need to cancel. There is nothing left of Sanibel. It’s 95% under water.

I wonder if they will ever rebuild once the water recedes. If it fully recedes. . In-laws go there every February but even they realize that’s not going to happen this year.

So they are going to rebuild on that island? Looks like they will have to rebuild the bridge, road, sewers, power connections, etc and the island(that island will need a massive sand replenishment program) before they can rebuild the vacation homes. Maybe it would be better to not rebuild there? The next storm will wipe it out again.

They’ll rebuild. Just like they rebuild Duck and Hatteras and Long Island and all the other places where wealthy people have homes. There is no money to buy everyone out. It would cost billions.

All they need to do is not repair the road or bridge or condemn the properties.

There is no money to buy everyone out.

Why would they have to buy everyone out? Can’t they just not rebuilt the infrastructure?

That makes the land and property of thousands of citizens worthless.

So property only has value if someone else subsidizes the cost to living there? Maybe the “citizens” can get together and raise money to build and maintain the infrastructure they need?

[Anonymous]

Floridian here, i have not read the whole thread.

Cancel. There is a lack of gasoline. Many places don't have air conditioning. It could take 3 weeks to get electric thus air conditioning back up in some areas. Some grocery stores are still closed.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I'd cancel. I have a trip to Sanibel scheduled in December and I'm wondering if we'll need to cancel.

You absolutely need to cancel. There is nothing left of Sanibel. It’s 95% under water.

I wonder if they will ever rebuild once the water recedes. If it fully recedes. . In-laws go there every February but even they realize that’s not going to happen this year.

So they are going to rebuild on that island? Looks like they will have to rebuild the bridge, road, sewers, power connections, etc and the island(that island will need a massive sand replenishment program) before they can rebuild the vacation homes. Maybe it would be better to not rebuild there? The next storm will wipe it out again.

They’ll rebuild. Just like they rebuild Duck and Hatteras and Long Island and all the other places where wealthy people have homes. There is no money to buy everyone out. It would cost billions.

All they need to do is not repair the road or bridge or condemn the properties.

There is no money to buy everyone out.

Why would they have to buy everyone out? Can’t they just not rebuilt the infrastructure?

That makes the land and property of thousands of citizens worthless.

So property only has value if someone else subsidizes the cost to living there? Maybe the “citizens” can get together and raise money to build and maintain the infrastructure they need?

In this country government provides the money to build and maintain infrastructure, not citizens. This is not Somalia.

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Anonymous wrote:We just got news that our place in Naples, very close to the beach and in the red zone, had no water intrusion. The streets around our development had 4-5 feet of water at one point but the houses were built up a bit. Power should be restored in the next few days.

I'd probably still cancel for next week, particularly if staying on or near the beach but some areas, especially to the east of 41, may be okay.

Wow you're optimistic. Get some perspective

np.

Nah. I think it's the people making blanket statements that hurricane recovery is going to take "years" need some perspective.

Like Florida’s own governor?

Well, DeSantis is absolutely massive blowhard windbag, so yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen a map that shows where the flooding or storm surge hit? We just bought a house in Naples, would be nice to know if it's still there. Or if we now need scuba gear.

Lol scuba gear. What you really need is an industrial size pack of shovels. Your house right now is now doubt layered in a foul smelling cake of raw sewage. Poop from floor to ceiling. A putrid pea soup of filth festering in the very lovely humid Dog days of Sept in Fla. too bad DeSantis sent all of that cheap labor to MV he’s going to need all if the manpower he can get.

Floods are nasty, nasty business.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen a map that shows where the flooding or storm surge hit? We just bought a house in Naples, would be nice to know if it's still there. Or if we now need scuba gear.

can’t you call one of the neighbors there?

Because we just bought it and I don't know anyone? I've seen it once.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen a map that shows where the flooding or storm surge hit? We just bought a house in Naples, would be nice to know if it's still there. Or if we now need scuba gear.

Lol scuba gear. What you really need is an industrial size pack of shovels. Your house right now is now doubt layered in a foul smelling cake of raw sewage. Poop from floor to ceiling. A putrid pea soup of filth festering in the very lovely humid Dog days of Sept in Fla. too bad DeSantis sent all of that cheap labor to MV he’s going to need all if the manpower he can get.

Floods are nasty, nasty business.

I was clearly joking about the scuba, but thanks. Good thing it was a tear down.

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Anonymous wrote:We just got news that our place in Naples, very close to the beach and in the red zone, had no water intrusion. The streets around our development had 4-5 feet of water at one point but the houses were built up a bit. Power should be restored in the next few days.

I'd probably still cancel for next week, particularly if staying on or near the beach but some areas, especially to the east of 41, may be okay.

Wow you're optimistic. Get some perspective

np.

Nah. I think it's the people making blanket statements that hurricane recovery is going to take "years" need some perspective.

I'm an emergency manager so I know first hand that in some cases, full recovery takes years. It was not a blanket statement. We responded to Katrina, and all the other storms that year. Homes had blue tarps for years. Infrastructure took a very long time to repair. What I said was that the recovery will take weeks, months and years - that is the truth. Have you seen the Sanibel footage? How long do you think those bridge repairs will take? Residents will be impacted for a very long time. That does not mean that tourists should stay away for that long. That being said, it's incredible selfish for the OP and others to be worried about a vacation. It's almost unbelievable they would ask.

Oh these area are republicans areas. They will get so much federal aid money they will not be able to spend it all. DeSantis and Marco Rubio will not vote against this money. Let’s get those bridges to sand bars rebuilt so we can rebuild all the houses(roads and sewers) out there pronto! Also maybe the federal government can take over the state insurance program. The state and private insurance companies do not want anything to do with it.

Ron DeSantis as a congressman opposed aid to victims of Hurricane Sandy, we must not forget that. Azzwipe.

That’s because there was pork stuffed in that bill, per usual

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:We just got news that our place in Naples, very close to the beach and in the red zone, had no water intrusion. The streets around our development had 4-5 feet of water at one point but the houses were built up a bit. Power should be restored in the next few days.

I'd probably still cancel for next week, particularly if staying on or near the beach but some areas, especially to the east of 41, may be okay.

Wow you're optimistic. Get some perspective

np.

Nah. I think it's the people making blanket statements that hurricane recovery is going to take "years" need some perspective.

I'm an emergency manager so I know first hand that in some cases, full recovery takes years. It was not a blanket statement. We responded to Katrina, and all the other storms that year. Homes had blue tarps for years. Infrastructure took a very long time to repair. What I said was that the recovery will take weeks, months and years - that is the truth. Have you seen the Sanibel footage? How long do you think those bridge repairs will take? Residents will be impacted for a very long time. That does not mean that tourists should stay away for that long. That being said, it's incredible selfish for the OP and others to be worried about a vacation. It's almost unbelievable they would ask.

Oh these area are republicans areas. They will get so much federal aid money they will not be able to spend it all. DeSantis and Marco Rubio will not vote against this money. Let’s get those bridges to sand bars rebuilt so we can rebuild all the houses(roads and sewers) out there pronto! Also maybe the federal government can take over the state insurance program. The state and private insurance companies do not want anything to do with it.

Ron DeSantis as a congressman opposed aid to victims of Hurricane Sandy, we must not forget that. Azzwipe.

That’s because there was pork stuffed in that bill, per usual

Sure, had nothing to do with sticking it to the libs, none at all…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen a map that shows where the flooding or storm surge hit? We just bought a house in Naples, would be nice to know if it's still there. Or if we now need scuba gear.

Lol scuba gear. What you really need is an industrial size pack of shovels. Your house right now is now doubt layered in a foul smelling cake of raw sewage. Poop from floor to ceiling. A putrid pea soup of filth festering in the very lovely humid Dog days of Sept in Fla. too bad DeSantis sent all of that cheap labor to MV he’s going to need all if the manpower he can get.

Floods are nasty, nasty business.

I was clearly joking about the scuba, but thanks. Good thing it was a tear down.

You are actually lucky, it’ll be torn down at no cost to you most likely. Congrats, you won the hurricane lottery!