Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?

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Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.

Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.

By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.

Oh please.

PP is correct though. If you don't accept the dictionary definition of "native" meaning the place where you were born, then you have to ask, how far back do you go in your genealogy to get to your 'native' land? And who gets to decide?

My ancestors came from places that are now politically three different countries on two different continents, and if you research the surnames, they were occupiers of that land anyway, and came from somewhere else, and that somewhere else was only settled in historically available times, so clearly they were somewhere else before that ... where do I stop to state my native country and will it be the current political state occupying that land or whatever it was known as the farthest back we can trace? And which family line am I supposed to use to find my native land, since they all lead to different places (though ultimately south Africa according to anthropologists).

So you see why the actual definition of one's native land is where an individual personally was born.

But by this, wouldn’t African-American assemble into simply being American? Same with Asian-American, etc.. at what point in time would that happen.

They are all American. The adjectives describe different flavors, not different countries.

In comparison to how this is defined in other Nations, it poses a problem unique to America. As a person of example, Jamaican or Japanese heritage can become Australian without being titled Jamaican-Australian or Japanese-Australian, how does America correct this over time? Or does it never change as America is not old enough to accept all as American.

It just corrects the longer you have generations born in the US. Irish and Italians went through this not so long ago. Now people rarely self identify as both. Once your grandparents or great-grandparents were born in the US, and have no ties back to their home country, you just say American. There's no set timeframe, it just happens.

It only happens over time organically for white people. Which is ok. I'm good with African American or Black.

Not true. I have a black friend who just says she's American. Or a black American. She feels no claim to Africa, maybe because she has friends who have recently immigrated? I'm not sure, but she's vocal about just being American.

Not every Black person is an African American. American Americans are a specific cultural group/sub sect united by slavery and shared genetic history due to such. For example, Rihanna and Nicki Minaj are Black Americans but not African American.

But,

- every Black person experiences racism and oppression on a daily basis in the United States, along with other BIPOC peoples.

And BIPOC excludes Asian-Americans - a fascinating new construct against racism and oppression that by its definition is used to exclude

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Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.

Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.

By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.

Oh please.

PP is correct though. If you don't accept the dictionary definition of "native" meaning the place where you were born, then you have to ask, how far back do you go in your genealogy to get to your 'native' land? And who gets to decide?

My ancestors came from places that are now politically three different countries on two different continents, and if you research the surnames, they were occupiers of that land anyway, and came from somewhere else, and that somewhere else was only settled in historically available times, so clearly they were somewhere else before that ... where do I stop to state my native country and will it be the current political state occupying that land or whatever it was known as the farthest back we can trace? And which family line am I supposed to use to find my native land, since they all lead to different places (though ultimately south Africa according to anthropologists).

So you see why the actual definition of one's native land is where an individual personally was born.

But by this, wouldn’t African-American assemble into simply being American? Same with Asian-American, etc.. at what point in time would that happen.

They are all American. The adjectives describe different flavors, not different countries.

In comparison to how this is defined in other Nations, it poses a problem unique to America. As a person of example, Jamaican or Japanese heritage can become Australian without being titled Jamaican-Australian or Japanese-Australian, how does America correct this over time? Or does it never change as America is not old enough to accept all as American.

It isn't unique though; look at all the Brits and French and Vikings who became Irish, as one example. Humans have always moved around and married people from other countries and lands.

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Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.

Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.

By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.

Oh please.

PP is correct though. If you don't accept the dictionary definition of "native" meaning the place where you were born, then you have to ask, how far back do you go in your genealogy to get to your 'native' land? And who gets to decide?

My ancestors came from places that are now politically three different countries on two different continents, and if you research the surnames, they were occupiers of that land anyway, and came from somewhere else, and that somewhere else was only settled in historically available times, so clearly they were somewhere else before that ... where do I stop to state my native country and will it be the current political state occupying that land or whatever it was known as the farthest back we can trace? And which family line am I supposed to use to find my native land, since they all lead to different places (though ultimately south Africa according to anthropologists).

So you see why the actual definition of one's native land is where an individual personally was born.

But by this, wouldn’t African-American assemble into simply being American? Same with Asian-American, etc.. at what point in time would that happen.

They are all American. The adjectives describe different flavors, not different countries.

In comparison to how this is defined in other Nations, it poses a problem unique to America. As a person of example, Jamaican or Japanese heritage can become Australian without being titled Jamaican-Australian or Japanese-Australian, how does America correct this over time? Or does it never change as America is not old enough to accept all as American.

It just corrects the longer you have generations born in the US. Irish and Italians went through this not so long ago. Now people rarely self identify as both. Once your grandparents or great-grandparents were born in the US, and have no ties back to their home country, you just say American. There's no set timeframe, it just happens.

It only happens over time organically for white people. Which is ok. I'm good with African American or Black.

Not true. I have a black friend who just says she's American. Or a black American. She feels no claim to Africa, maybe because she has friends who have recently immigrated? I'm not sure, but she's vocal about just being American.

Not every Black person is an African American. American Americans are a specific cultural group/sub sect united by slavery and shared genetic history due to such. For example, Rihanna and Nicki Minaj are Black Americans but not African American.

But,

- every Black person experiences racism and oppression on a daily basis in the United States, along with other BIPOC peoples.

And BIPOC excludes Asian-Americans - a fascinating new construct against racism and oppression that by its definition is used to exclude

?????

Since when does it exclude Asian Americans?

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Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.

Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.

By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.

Oh please.

PP is correct though. If you don't accept the dictionary definition of "native" meaning the place where you were born, then you have to ask, how far back do you go in your genealogy to get to your 'native' land? And who gets to decide?

My ancestors came from places that are now politically three different countries on two different continents, and if you research the surnames, they were occupiers of that land anyway, and came from somewhere else, and that somewhere else was only settled in historically available times, so clearly they were somewhere else before that ... where do I stop to state my native country and will it be the current political state occupying that land or whatever it was known as the farthest back we can trace? And which family line am I supposed to use to find my native land, since they all lead to different places (though ultimately south Africa according to anthropologists).

So you see why the actual definition of one's native land is where an individual personally was born.

But by this, wouldn’t African-American assemble into simply being American? Same with Asian-American, etc.. at what point in time would that happen.

They are all American. The adjectives describe different flavors, not different countries.

In comparison to how this is defined in other Nations, it poses a problem unique to America. As a person of example, Jamaican or Japanese heritage can become Australian without being titled Jamaican-Australian or Japanese-Australian, how does America correct this over time? Or does it never change as America is not old enough to accept all as American.

It just corrects the longer you have generations born in the US. Irish and Italians went through this not so long ago. Now people rarely self identify as both. Once your grandparents or great-grandparents were born in the US, and have no ties back to their home country, you just say American. There's no set timeframe, it just happens.

Except on March 17.

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Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.

Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.

By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.

Oh please.

PP is correct though. If you don't accept the dictionary definition of "native" meaning the place where you were born, then you have to ask, how far back do you go in your genealogy to get to your 'native' land? And who gets to decide?

My ancestors came from places that are now politically three different countries on two different continents, and if you research the surnames, they were occupiers of that land anyway, and came from somewhere else, and that somewhere else was only settled in historically available times, so clearly they were somewhere else before that ... where do I stop to state my native country and will it be the current political state occupying that land or whatever it was known as the farthest back we can trace? And which family line am I supposed to use to find my native land, since they all lead to different places (though ultimately south Africa according to anthropologists).

So you see why the actual definition of one's native land is where an individual personally was born.

But by this, wouldn’t African-American assemble into simply being American? Same with Asian-American, etc.. at what point in time would that happen.

They are all American. The adjectives describe different flavors, not different countries.

In comparison to how this is defined in other Nations, it poses a problem unique to America. As a person of example, Jamaican or Japanese heritage can become Australian without being titled Jamaican-Australian or Japanese-Australian, how does America correct this over time? Or does it never change as America is not old enough to accept all as American.

It just corrects the longer you have generations born in the US. Irish and Italians went through this not so long ago. Now people rarely self identify as both. Once your grandparents or great-grandparents were born in the US, and have no ties back to their home country, you just say American. There's no set timeframe, it just happens.

It only happens over time organically for white people. Which is ok. I'm good with African American or Black.

Not true. I have a black friend who just says she's American. Or a black American. She feels no claim to Africa, maybe because she has friends who have recently immigrated? I'm not sure, but she's vocal about just being American.

Not every Black person is an African American. American Americans are a specific cultural group/sub sect united by slavery and shared genetic history due to such. For example, Rihanna and Nicki Minaj are Black Americans but not African American.

But,

- every Black person experiences racism and oppression on a daily basis in the United States, along with other BIPOC peoples.

And BIPOC excludes Asian-Americans - a fascinating new construct against racism and oppression that by its definition is used to exclude

?????

Since when does it exclude Asian Americans?

Dp.

Asians are “privileged minorities” hence, not BIPOC.

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Anonymous wrote:Who says native to America, ever? How would that come up in a conversation? If someone asks where you're from, you just say America. Or the United States.

This is just stupid.

Tell that to a native New Yorker.

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Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.

Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.

By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.

Oh please.

PP is correct though. If you don't accept the dictionary definition of "native" meaning the place where you were born, then you have to ask, how far back do you go in your genealogy to get to your 'native' land? And who gets to decide?

My ancestors came from places that are now politically three different countries on two different continents, and if you research the surnames, they were occupiers of that land anyway, and came from somewhere else, and that somewhere else was only settled in historically available times, so clearly they were somewhere else before that ... where do I stop to state my native country and will it be the current political state occupying that land or whatever it was known as the farthest back we can trace? And which family line am I supposed to use to find my native land, since they all lead to different places (though ultimately south Africa according to anthropologists).

So you see why the actual definition of one's native land is where an individual personally was born.

But by this, wouldn’t African-American assemble into simply being American? Same with Asian-American, etc.. at what point in time would that happen.

They are all American. The adjectives describe different flavors, not different countries.

In comparison to how this is defined in other Nations, it poses a problem unique to America. As a person of example, Jamaican or Japanese heritage can become Australian without being titled Jamaican-Australian or Japanese-Australian, how does America correct this over time? Or does it never change as America is not old enough to accept all as American.

It just corrects the longer you have generations born in the US. Irish and Italians went through this not so long ago. Now people rarely self identify as both. Once your grandparents or great-grandparents were born in the US, and have no ties back to their home country, you just say American. There's no set timeframe, it just happens.

It only happens over time organically for white people. Which is ok. I'm good with African American or Black.

Not true. I have a black friend who just says she's American. Or a black American. She feels no claim to Africa, maybe because she has friends who have recently immigrated? I'm not sure, but she's vocal about just being American.

Not every Black person is an African American. American Americans are a specific cultural group/sub sect united by slavery and shared genetic history due to such. For example, Rihanna and Nicki Minaj are Black Americans but not African American.

But,

- every Black person experiences racism and oppression on a daily basis in the United States, along with other BIPOC peoples.

And BIPOC excludes Asian-Americans - a fascinating new construct against racism and oppression that by its definition is used to exclude

?????

Since when does it exclude Asian Americans?

Since they became "white" in the eyes of the loonie crowd.

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Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.

Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.

By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.

Oh please.

PP is correct though. If you don't accept the dictionary definition of "native" meaning the place where you were born, then you have to ask, how far back do you go in your genealogy to get to your 'native' land? And who gets to decide?

My ancestors came from places that are now politically three different countries on two different continents, and if you research the surnames, they were occupiers of that land anyway, and came from somewhere else, and that somewhere else was only settled in historically available times, so clearly they were somewhere else before that ... where do I stop to state my native country and will it be the current political state occupying that land or whatever it was known as the farthest back we can trace? And which family line am I supposed to use to find my native land, since they all lead to different places (though ultimately south Africa according to anthropologists).

So you see why the actual definition of one's native land is where an individual personally was born.

But by this, wouldn’t African-American assemble into simply being American? Same with Asian-American, etc.. at what point in time would that happen.

They are all American. The adjectives describe different flavors, not different countries.

In comparison to how this is defined in other Nations, it poses a problem unique to America. As a person of example, Jamaican or Japanese heritage can become Australian without being titled Jamaican-Australian or Japanese-Australian, how does America correct this over time? Or does it never change as America is not old enough to accept all as American.

It just corrects the longer you have generations born in the US. Irish and Italians went through this not so long ago. Now people rarely self identify as both. Once your grandparents or great-grandparents were born in the US, and have no ties back to their home country, you just say American. There's no set timeframe, it just happens.

It only happens over time organically for white people. Which is ok. I'm good with African American or Black.

Not true. I have a black friend who just says she's American. Or a black American. She feels no claim to Africa, maybe because she has friends who have recently immigrated? I'm not sure, but she's vocal about just being American.

Not every Black person is an African American. American Americans are a specific cultural group/sub sect united by slavery and shared genetic history due to such. For example, Rihanna and Nicki Minaj are Black Americans but not African American.

But,

- every Black person experiences racism and oppression on a daily basis in the United States, along with other BIPOC peoples.

And BIPOC excludes Asian-Americans - a fascinating new construct against racism and oppression that by its definition is used to exclude

?????

Since when does it exclude Asian Americans?

Dp.

Asians are “privileged minorities” hence, not BIPOC.

True. Asians are not BIPOC.

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Asians do not qualify as URMs, hence not eligible for historical remediation programs.

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Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.

Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.

By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.

Oh please.

PP is correct though. If you don't accept the dictionary definition of "native" meaning the place where you were born, then you have to ask, how far back do you go in your genealogy to get to your 'native' land? And who gets to decide?

My ancestors came from places that are now politically three different countries on two different continents, and if you research the surnames, they were occupiers of that land anyway, and came from somewhere else, and that somewhere else was only settled in historically available times, so clearly they were somewhere else before that ... where do I stop to state my native country and will it be the current political state occupying that land or whatever it was known as the farthest back we can trace? And which family line am I supposed to use to find my native land, since they all lead to different places (though ultimately south Africa according to anthropologists).

So you see why the actual definition of one's native land is where an individual personally was born.

But by this, wouldn’t African-American assemble into simply being American? Same with Asian-American, etc.. at what point in time would that happen.

They are all American. The adjectives describe different flavors, not different countries.

In comparison to how this is defined in other Nations, it poses a problem unique to America. As a person of example, Jamaican or Japanese heritage can become Australian without being titled Jamaican-Australian or Japanese-Australian, how does America correct this over time? Or does it never change as America is not old enough to accept all as American.

It just corrects the longer you have generations born in the US. Irish and Italians went through this not so long ago. Now people rarely self identify as both. Once your grandparents or great-grandparents were born in the US, and have no ties back to their home country, you just say American. There's no set timeframe, it just happens.

It only happens over time organically for white people. Which is ok. I'm good with African American or Black.

Not true. I have a black friend who just says she's American. Or a black American. She feels no claim to Africa, maybe because she has friends who have recently immigrated? I'm not sure, but she's vocal about just being American.

Not every Black person is an African American. American Americans are a specific cultural group/sub sect united by slavery and shared genetic history due to such. For example, Rihanna and Nicki Minaj are Black Americans but not African American.

But,

- every Black person experiences racism and oppression on a daily basis in the United States, along with other BIPOC peoples.

And BIPOC excludes Asian-Americans - a fascinating new construct against racism and oppression that by its definition is used to exclude

?????

Since when does it exclude Asian Americans?

Black and Indigenous People of Color

Some advocacy groups mean Black and Indigenous people and some advocacy groups mean Black and Indigenous and People of Color.

If you mean all people of color, there's already an acronym for that.

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Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.

Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.

By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.

Oh please.

PP is correct though. If you don't accept the dictionary definition of "native" meaning the place where you were born, then you have to ask, how far back do you go in your genealogy to get to your 'native' land? And who gets to decide?

My ancestors came from places that are now politically three different countries on two different continents, and if you research the surnames, they were occupiers of that land anyway, and came from somewhere else, and that somewhere else was only settled in historically available times, so clearly they were somewhere else before that ... where do I stop to state my native country and will it be the current political state occupying that land or whatever it was known as the farthest back we can trace? And which family line am I supposed to use to find my native land, since they all lead to different places (though ultimately south Africa according to anthropologists).

So you see why the actual definition of one's native land is where an individual personally was born.

But by this, wouldn’t African-American assemble into simply being American? Same with Asian-American, etc.. at what point in time would that happen.

They are all American. The adjectives describe different flavors, not different countries.

In comparison to how this is defined in other Nations, it poses a problem unique to America. As a person of example, Jamaican or Japanese heritage can become Australian without being titled Jamaican-Australian or Japanese-Australian, how does America correct this over time? Or does it never change as America is not old enough to accept all as American.

It just corrects the longer you have generations born in the US. Irish and Italians went through this not so long ago. Now people rarely self identify as both. Once your grandparents or great-grandparents were born in the US, and have no ties back to their home country, you just say American. There's no set timeframe, it just happens.

It only happens over time organically for white people. Which is ok. I'm good with African American or Black.

Not true. I have a black friend who just says she's American. Or a black American. She feels no claim to Africa, maybe because she has friends who have recently immigrated? I'm not sure, but she's vocal about just being American.

Not every Black person is an African American. American Americans are a specific cultural group/sub sect united by slavery and shared genetic history due to such. For example, Rihanna and Nicki Minaj are Black Americans but not African American.

But,

- every Black person experiences racism and oppression on a daily basis in the United States, along with other BIPOC peoples.

And BIPOC excludes Asian-Americans - a fascinating new construct against racism and oppression that by its definition is used to exclude

?????

Since when does it exclude Asian Americans?

It excludes Hispanics too.

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Must America overcome the racial separations to allow us to simply be “Americans” native or born into the USA or to accept that generations of African Americans or Asian Americans have produced, simply, Americans? Without the hyphen as we lose some of the cultural markings to distinguish the African, Hispanic or Asian identities after so many generations.

In the way one can be African or Asian but also British. Black or Asian and British without the stigma.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it so embarrassing that Columbus Day is still celebrated. It should banned entirely.

Every time this comes up, it's a slippery slope to then erasing any and all traces of western European exploration and settlement.

America is named after a European explorer. Whether does it end?

I can’t tell if this is sarcasm.
Any and all traces of European exploration are visible by looking at all of us white people living here.

Right? Also, Columbus was a terrible person, even by the standards of his own time. He was so brutal that some of his contemporaries complained to the Crown. Not really someone we should emulate. We don't need to celebrate him personally to acknowledge the very obvious fact that Europeans colonized the Americas.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it so embarrassing that Columbus Day is still celebrated. It should banned entirely.

Every time this comes up, it's a slippery slope to then erasing any and all traces of western European exploration and settlement.

America is named after a European explorer. Whether does it end?

I can’t tell if this is sarcasm.
Any and all traces of European exploration are visible by looking at all of us white people living here.

Right? Also, Columbus was a terrible person, even by the standards of his own time. He was so brutal that some of his contemporaries complained to the Crown. Not really someone we should emulate. We don't need to celebrate him personally to acknowledge the very obvious fact that Europeans colonized the Americas.

If you think Columbus Day is about emulating Columbus, no wonder you want to cancel it...

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Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.

Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.

By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.

+1. Native Americans didn't spontaneously spring from the ground in America.