Private placement, DCPS

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing. Getting a private placement is hard. It takes money and it is stressful. But it is possible. According to OSSE in 2019 (yes I know that’s 3 years ago), 6% of the children in DC - that includes DCPS and charter- are in funded non-public schools. People are still getting funded, it’s just not easy.

But understand that the overwhelming majority of these placements are for kids with very significant issues.

Or rather, the majority of these placements are for kids that had a significant period of time with their needs not being addressed appropriately, so no progress, which meant violation of FAPE and a private placement. (This is the profile I'm aware of children funded by DCPS at KTS, Lab & Chelsea).

DCPS can always come back and offer a new IEP though.

The IEP and compliance with are part it (or lack of compliance) are part of the case for not providing FAPE. DCPS can offer a revised IEP, but in our experience (and other families who have gone through the due process route) it wasn’t enough to address the learning needs of our child. Who, by the way, has learning issues/a working memory secicit, but does not fit the profile earlier PPs had raised (no intellectual disability, doesn’t have behavioral issues, no vision/hearing issue, is not autistic).

But DCPS can write an IEP that gives all the hours and services. The fact that you prefer the private setting doesn’t figure in.

Actually, we didn't prefer a private setting. As far as writing an IEP, there is the document (which is a legal document) and there is it's implementation. When a child receives a private placement it is due to either the IEP not being implemented or a disagreement with the level of service needs in preparing the IEP; it is not the result of the parents preference.
Signed a parent whose DS made no progress on his IEP goals as written by DCPS for kindergarten, first and second grade, made progress after private placement for fourth-eighth grade, and has now transitioned back to public high school

My point is, if DCPS decides to dig in, they will just write the IEP for a self-contained DCPS classroom. Because most parents who want to send their kid to eg LAB or Auburn or Nora would rather die than have their kid in a CES or BES or SLS self-contained DCPS classroom, they’ll make any argument they can against it. Which will most likely fail. If your kid got placed 5+ years ago, the approach was different.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing. Getting a private placement is hard. It takes money and it is stressful. But it is possible. According to OSSE in 2019 (yes I know that’s 3 years ago), 6% of the children in DC - that includes DCPS and charter- are in funded non-public schools. People are still getting funded, it’s just not easy.

But understand that the overwhelming majority of these placements are for kids with very significant issues.

Or rather, the majority of these placements are for kids that had a significant period of time with their needs not being addressed appropriately, so no progress, which meant violation of FAPE and a private placement. (This is the profile I'm aware of children funded by DCPS at KTS, Lab & Chelsea).

DCPS can always come back and offer a new IEP though.

The IEP and compliance with are part it (or lack of compliance) are part of the case for not providing FAPE. DCPS can offer a revised IEP, but in our experience (and other families who have gone through the due process route) it wasn’t enough to address the learning needs of our child. Who, by the way, has learning issues/a working memory secicit, but does not fit the profile earlier PPs had raised (no intellectual disability, doesn’t have behavioral issues, no vision/hearing issue, is not autistic).

But DCPS can write an IEP that gives all the hours and services. The fact that you prefer the private setting doesn’t figure in.

Actually, we didn't prefer a private setting. As far as writing an IEP, there is the document (which is a legal document) and there is it's implementation. When a child receives a private placement it is due to either the IEP not being implemented or a disagreement with the level of service needs in preparing the IEP; it is not the result of the parents preference.
Signed a parent whose DS made no progress on his IEP goals as written by DCPS for kindergarten, first and second grade, made progress after private placement for fourth-eighth grade, and has now transitioned back to public high school

My point is, if DCPS decides to dig in, they will just write the IEP for a self-contained DCPS classroom. Because most parents who want to send their kid to eg LAB or Auburn or Nora would rather die than have their kid in a CES or BES or SLS self-contained DCPS classroom, they’ll make any argument they can against it. Which will most likely fail. If your kid got placed 5+ years ago, the approach was different.

Believe me, I get that DCPS will dig their heels in. My point was that even with an IEP calling for a self-contained classroom (which we tried for one year) the IEP goals need to be met. Not making progress based on IEP goals is one of the pieces of not receiving FAPE. Placement even five years ago was not automatic (that boat sailed 15-20 years ago).

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing. Getting a private placement is hard. It takes money and it is stressful. But it is possible. According to OSSE in 2019 (yes I know that’s 3 years ago), 6% of the children in DC - that includes DCPS and charter- are in funded non-public schools. People are still getting funded, it’s just not easy.

But understand that the overwhelming majority of these placements are for kids with very significant issues.

Or rather, the majority of these placements are for kids that had a significant period of time with their needs not being addressed appropriately, so no progress, which meant violation of FAPE and a private placement. (This is the profile I'm aware of children funded by DCPS at KTS, Lab & Chelsea).

DCPS can always come back and offer a new IEP though.

The IEP and compliance with are part it (or lack of compliance) are part of the case for not providing FAPE. DCPS can offer a revised IEP, but in our experience (and other families who have gone through the due process route) it wasn’t enough to address the learning needs of our child. Who, by the way, has learning issues/a working memory secicit, but does not fit the profile earlier PPs had raised (no intellectual disability, doesn’t have behavioral issues, no vision/hearing issue, is not autistic).

But DCPS can write an IEP that gives all the hours and services. The fact that you prefer the private setting doesn’t figure in.

Actually, we didn't prefer a private setting. As far as writing an IEP, there is the document (which is a legal document) and there is it's implementation. When a child receives a private placement it is due to either the IEP not being implemented or a disagreement with the level of service needs in preparing the IEP; it is not the result of the parents preference.
Signed a parent whose DS made no progress on his IEP goals as written by DCPS for kindergarten, first and second grade, made progress after private placement for fourth-eighth grade, and has now transitioned back to public high school

My point is, if DCPS decides to dig in, they will just write the IEP for a self-contained DCPS classroom. Because most parents who want to send their kid to eg LAB or Auburn or Nora would rather die than have their kid in a CES or BES or SLS self-contained DCPS classroom, they’ll make any argument they can against it. Which will most likely fail. If your kid got placed 5+ years ago, the approach was different.

Believe me, I get that DCPS will dig their heels in. My point was that even with an IEP calling for a self-contained classroom (which we tried for one year) the IEP goals need to be met. Not making progress based on IEP goals is one of the pieces of not receiving FAPE. Placement even five years ago was not automatic (that boat sailed 15-20 years ago).

And that gets you placement for one year, not forever.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing. Getting a private placement is hard. It takes money and it is stressful. But it is possible. According to OSSE in 2019 (yes I know that’s 3 years ago), 6% of the children in DC - that includes DCPS and charter- are in funded non-public schools. People are still getting funded, it’s just not easy.

But understand that the overwhelming majority of these placements are for kids with very significant issues.

Or rather, the majority of these placements are for kids that had a significant period of time with their needs not being addressed appropriately, so no progress, which meant violation of FAPE and a private placement. (This is the profile I'm aware of children funded by DCPS at KTS, Lab & Chelsea).

DCPS can always come back and offer a new IEP though.

The IEP and compliance with are part it (or lack of compliance) are part of the case for not providing FAPE. DCPS can offer a revised IEP, but in our experience (and other families who have gone through the due process route) it wasn’t enough to address the learning needs of our child. Who, by the way, has learning issues/a working memory secicit, but does not fit the profile earlier PPs had raised (no intellectual disability, doesn’t have behavioral issues, no vision/hearing issue, is not autistic).

But DCPS can write an IEP that gives all the hours and services. The fact that you prefer the private setting doesn’t figure in.

Actually, we didn't prefer a private setting. As far as writing an IEP, there is the document (which is a legal document) and there is it's implementation. When a child receives a private placement it is due to either the IEP not being implemented or a disagreement with the level of service needs in preparing the IEP; it is not the result of the parents preference.
Signed a parent whose DS made no progress on his IEP goals as written by DCPS for kindergarten, first and second grade, made progress after private placement for fourth-eighth grade, and has now transitioned back to public high school

My point is, if DCPS decides to dig in, they will just write the IEP for a self-contained DCPS classroom. Because most parents who want to send their kid to eg LAB or Auburn or Nora would rather die than have their kid in a CES or BES or SLS self-contained DCPS classroom, they’ll make any argument they can against it. Which will most likely fail. If your kid got placed 5+ years ago, the approach was different.

Believe me, I get that DCPS will dig their heels in. My point was that even with an IEP calling for a self-contained classroom (which we tried for one year) the IEP goals need to be met. Not making progress based on IEP goals is one of the pieces of not receiving FAPE. Placement even five years ago was not automatic (that boat sailed 15-20 years ago).

And that gets you placement for one year, not forever.

It makes it harder for DCPS though. If the new placement is able to show progress DCPS has to prove that this new IEP will allow for progress since they couldn’t do it before. It starts a process that progressive year gets harder for DCPS. proving that the program they are offering (that didn’t work before) will suddenly work now.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing. Getting a private placement is hard. It takes money and it is stressful. But it is possible. According to OSSE in 2019 (yes I know that’s 3 years ago), 6% of the children in DC - that includes DCPS and charter- are in funded non-public schools. People are still getting funded, it’s just not easy.

But understand that the overwhelming majority of these placements are for kids with very significant issues.

Or rather, the majority of these placements are for kids that had a significant period of time with their needs not being addressed appropriately, so no progress, which meant violation of FAPE and a private placement. (This is the profile I'm aware of children funded by DCPS at KTS, Lab & Chelsea).

DCPS can always come back and offer a new IEP though.

The IEP and compliance with are part it (or lack of compliance) are part of the case for not providing FAPE. DCPS can offer a revised IEP, but in our experience (and other families who have gone through the due process route) it wasn’t enough to address the learning needs of our child. Who, by the way, has learning issues/a working memory secicit, but does not fit the profile earlier PPs had raised (no intellectual disability, doesn’t have behavioral issues, no vision/hearing issue, is not autistic).

But DCPS can write an IEP that gives all the hours and services. The fact that you prefer the private setting doesn’t figure in.

Actually, we didn't prefer a private setting. As far as writing an IEP, there is the document (which is a legal document) and there is it's implementation. When a child receives a private placement it is due to either the IEP not being implemented or a disagreement with the level of service needs in preparing the IEP; it is not the result of the parents preference.
Signed a parent whose DS made no progress on his IEP goals as written by DCPS for kindergarten, first and second grade, made progress after private placement for fourth-eighth grade, and has now transitioned back to public high school

My point is, if DCPS decides to dig in, they will just write the IEP for a self-contained DCPS classroom. Because most parents who want to send their kid to eg LAB or Auburn or Nora would rather die than have their kid in a CES or BES or SLS self-contained DCPS classroom, they’ll make any argument they can against it. Which will most likely fail. If your kid got placed 5+ years ago, the approach was different.

Believe me, I get that DCPS will dig their heels in. My point was that even with an IEP calling for a self-contained classroom (which we tried for one year) the IEP goals need to be met. Not making progress based on IEP goals is one of the pieces of not receiving FAPE. Placement even five years ago was not automatic (that boat sailed 15-20 years ago).

And that gets you placement for one year, not forever.

Exactly, it's not a one time process, it's a yearly thing concerning appropriate IEP goals/appropriate placement.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing. Getting a private placement is hard. It takes money and it is stressful. But it is possible. According to OSSE in 2019 (yes I know that’s 3 years ago), 6% of the children in DC - that includes DCPS and charter- are in funded non-public schools. People are still getting funded, it’s just not easy.

But understand that the overwhelming majority of these placements are for kids with very significant issues.

Or rather, the majority of these placements are for kids that had a significant period of time with their needs not being addressed appropriately, so no progress, which meant violation of FAPE and a private placement. (This is the profile I'm aware of children funded by DCPS at KTS, Lab & Chelsea).

DCPS can always come back and offer a new IEP though.

The IEP and compliance with are part it (or lack of compliance) are part of the case for not providing FAPE. DCPS can offer a revised IEP, but in our experience (and other families who have gone through the due process route) it wasn’t enough to address the learning needs of our child. Who, by the way, has learning issues/a working memory secicit, but does not fit the profile earlier PPs had raised (no intellectual disability, doesn’t have behavioral issues, no vision/hearing issue, is not autistic).

But DCPS can write an IEP that gives all the hours and services. The fact that you prefer the private setting doesn’t figure in.

Actually, we didn't prefer a private setting. As far as writing an IEP, there is the document (which is a legal document) and there is it's implementation. When a child receives a private placement it is due to either the IEP not being implemented or a disagreement with the level of service needs in preparing the IEP; it is not the result of the parents preference.
Signed a parent whose DS made no progress on his IEP goals as written by DCPS for kindergarten, first and second grade, made progress after private placement for fourth-eighth grade, and has now transitioned back to public high school

My point is, if DCPS decides to dig in, they will just write the IEP for a self-contained DCPS classroom. Because most parents who want to send their kid to eg LAB or Auburn or Nora would rather die than have their kid in a CES or BES or SLS self-contained DCPS classroom, they’ll make any argument they can against it. Which will most likely fail. If your kid got placed 5+ years ago, the approach was different.

Believe me, I get that DCPS will dig their heels in. My point was that even with an IEP calling for a self-contained classroom (which we tried for one year) the IEP goals need to be met. Not making progress based on IEP goals is one of the pieces of not receiving FAPE. Placement even five years ago was not automatic (that boat sailed 15-20 years ago).

Different poster than those above. DCPS has changed their strategy in the past 3 years. It's not like even 10-15 years ago. JUST went through this and also with parents who went through over the years with DCPS.

The latest 'self contained' approach is really just this past year... it's designed to meet the letter of the law but not the intent. They will document saying they will deliver things like reading instruction with OG etc - but then put your kid who needs that in a "small room" placement with kids with totally different needs and teachers WHO ARE NOT TRAINED in the services they say they will provide. Then you have a different threshold of showing that they failed delivery of services vs. that the IEP is at issue. In the mean time, your kid still can't read. People who have no understanding or sympathy for this or roll their eyes as so called 'rich' parents who are upset because DCPS refuses to support any pathway to give your kid an education aren't living with this.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing. Getting a private placement is hard. It takes money and it is stressful. But it is possible. According to OSSE in 2019 (yes I know that’s 3 years ago), 6% of the children in DC - that includes DCPS and charter- are in funded non-public schools. People are still getting funded, it’s just not easy.

But understand that the overwhelming majority of these placements are for kids with very significant issues.

Or rather, the majority of these placements are for kids that had a significant period of time with their needs not being addressed appropriately, so no progress, which meant violation of FAPE and a private placement. (This is the profile I'm aware of children funded by DCPS at KTS, Lab & Chelsea).

DCPS can always come back and offer a new IEP though.

The IEP and compliance with are part it (or lack of compliance) are part of the case for not providing FAPE. DCPS can offer a revised IEP, but in our experience (and other families who have gone through the due process route) it wasn’t enough to address the learning needs of our child. Who, by the way, has learning issues/a working memory secicit, but does not fit the profile earlier PPs had raised (no intellectual disability, doesn’t have behavioral issues, no vision/hearing issue, is not autistic).

But DCPS can write an IEP that gives all the hours and services. The fact that you prefer the private setting doesn’t figure in.

Actually, we didn't prefer a private setting. As far as writing an IEP, there is the document (which is a legal document) and there is it's implementation. When a child receives a private placement it is due to either the IEP not being implemented or a disagreement with the level of service needs in preparing the IEP; it is not the result of the parents preference.
Signed a parent whose DS made no progress on his IEP goals as written by DCPS for kindergarten, first and second grade, made progress after private placement for fourth-eighth grade, and has now transitioned back to public high school

My point is, if DCPS decides to dig in, they will just write the IEP for a self-contained DCPS classroom. Because most parents who want to send their kid to eg LAB or Auburn or Nora would rather die than have their kid in a CES or BES or SLS self-contained DCPS classroom, they’ll make any argument they can against it. Which will most likely fail. If your kid got placed 5+ years ago, the approach was different.

Believe me, I get that DCPS will dig their heels in. My point was that even with an IEP calling for a self-contained classroom (which we tried for one year) the IEP goals need to be met. Not making progress based on IEP goals is one of the pieces of not receiving FAPE. Placement even five years ago was not automatic (that boat sailed 15-20 years ago).

Different poster than those above. DCPS has changed their strategy in the past 3 years. It's not like even 10-15 years ago. JUST went through this and also with parents who went through over the years with DCPS.

The latest 'self contained' approach is really just this past year... it's designed to meet the letter of the law but not the intent. They will document saying they will deliver things like reading instruction with OG etc - but then put your kid who needs that in a "small room" placement with kids with totally different needs and teachers WHO ARE NOT TRAINED in the services they say they will provide. Then you have a different threshold of showing that they failed delivery of services vs. that the IEP is at issue. In the mean time, your kid still can't read. People who have no understanding or sympathy for this or roll their eyes as so called 'rich' parents who are upset because DCPS refuses to support any pathway to give your kid an education aren't living with this.

you can ask the attorneys who specialize in this ... DCPS is playing different games than in the past. And they know the new leadership at Lab isn't going to help parents really anymore either.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing. Getting a private placement is hard. It takes money and it is stressful. But it is possible. According to OSSE in 2019 (yes I know that’s 3 years ago), 6% of the children in DC - that includes DCPS and charter- are in funded non-public schools. People are still getting funded, it’s just not easy.

But understand that the overwhelming majority of these placements are for kids with very significant issues.

Or rather, the majority of these placements are for kids that had a significant period of time with their needs not being addressed appropriately, so no progress, which meant violation of FAPE and a private placement. (This is the profile I'm aware of children funded by DCPS at KTS, Lab & Chelsea).

DCPS can always come back and offer a new IEP though.

The IEP and compliance with are part it (or lack of compliance) are part of the case for not providing FAPE. DCPS can offer a revised IEP, but in our experience (and other families who have gone through the due process route) it wasn’t enough to address the learning needs of our child. Who, by the way, has learning issues/a working memory secicit, but does not fit the profile earlier PPs had raised (no intellectual disability, doesn’t have behavioral issues, no vision/hearing issue, is not autistic).

But DCPS can write an IEP that gives all the hours and services. The fact that you prefer the private setting doesn’t figure in.

Actually, we didn't prefer a private setting. As far as writing an IEP, there is the document (which is a legal document) and there is it's implementation. When a child receives a private placement it is due to either the IEP not being implemented or a disagreement with the level of service needs in preparing the IEP; it is not the result of the parents preference.
Signed a parent whose DS made no progress on his IEP goals as written by DCPS for kindergarten, first and second grade, made progress after private placement for fourth-eighth grade, and has now transitioned back to public high school

My point is, if DCPS decides to dig in, they will just write the IEP for a self-contained DCPS classroom. Because most parents who want to send their kid to eg LAB or Auburn or Nora would rather die than have their kid in a CES or BES or SLS self-contained DCPS classroom, they’ll make any argument they can against it. Which will most likely fail. If your kid got placed 5+ years ago, the approach was different.

Believe me, I get that DCPS will dig their heels in. My point was that even with an IEP calling for a self-contained classroom (which we tried for one year) the IEP goals need to be met. Not making progress based on IEP goals is one of the pieces of not receiving FAPE. Placement even five years ago was not automatic (that boat sailed 15-20 years ago).

Different poster than those above. DCPS has changed their strategy in the past 3 years. It's not like even 10-15 years ago. JUST went through this and also with parents who went through over the years with DCPS.

The latest 'self contained' approach is really just this past year... it's designed to meet the letter of the law but not the intent. They will document saying they will deliver things like reading instruction with OG etc - but then put your kid who needs that in a "small room" placement with kids with totally different needs and teachers WHO ARE NOT TRAINED in the services they say they will provide. Then you have a different threshold of showing that they failed delivery of services vs. that the IEP is at issue. In the mean time, your kid still can't read. People who have no understanding or sympathy for this or roll their eyes as so called 'rich' parents who are upset because DCPS refuses to support any pathway to give your kid an education aren't living with this.

you can ask the attorneys who specialize in this ... DCPS is playing different games than in the past. And they know the new leadership at Lab isn't going to help parents really anymore either.

It’s like this in the autism (CES) rooms as well. Some of these kids are getting no education, but DCPS’ shill sure sounds good and meets the letter of the law.

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Different poster than those above. DCPS has changed their strategy in the past 3 years. It's not like even 10-15 years ago. JUST went through this and also with parents who went through over the years with DCPS.

The latest 'self contained' approach is really just this past year... it's designed to meet the letter of the law but not the intent. They will document saying they will deliver things like reading instruction with OG etc - but then put your kid who needs that in a "small room" placement with kids with totally different needs and teachers WHO ARE NOT TRAINED in the services they say they will provide. Then you have a different threshold of showing that they failed delivery of services vs. that the IEP is at issue. In the mean time, your kid still can't read. People who have no understanding or sympathy for this or roll their eyes as so called 'rich' parents who are upset because DCPS refuses to support any pathway to give your kid an education aren't living with this.


PP here, agree completely that DCPS's strategy is following the letter of the law, not the intent. I really think that just want us to go away.

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If a child is out-of-boundary in a “highly regarded” D.C. public school, will the child be removed from school if parents don’t agree with self-contained class placement? Do parents ever get to make major changes to IEP if getting many service hours and parent disagrees with diagnosis?