SCOTUS Protection Request

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is zero proof Ginni has done anything wrong. None.

Also, are you okay with people who disagree with the 3 who dissented getting daily protests, their churches visited and their Children’s schools published.

WTF are you talking about. Is it not wrong to support a coup?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is zero proof Ginni has done anything wrong. None.

Also, are you okay with people who disagree with the 3 who dissented getting daily protests, their churches visited and their Children’s schools published.

Of course not.

You see.... the standard is simple.
If they are liberal Justices, or Justices who vote in a way which liberals approve, they are most deserving of protection.
If they aren't liberal or don't vote the right way, they absolutely should be protested and threatened.

No one is saying the justices should be threatened. And no one is threatening them.

Hold up, how do you define "no one"? Because it is a fact that at least one of them has absolutely been threated.

They weren't actually threatened. Dude turned himself in before doing anything.

How do you define threatened?
And why do you assume the general public would know about all threats?

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The fact that the Marshal of the Court took the unprecedented step to write to MD and VA officials tells me there have been threats we have not heard about.

They mention NO THREATS, they merely mention nuisance laws. As you can see justices receive ROUND THE CLOCK protection from US Marshalls, even though they aren’t technically legally entitled to it. They are not entitled to break off peaceful protests.

In the letter: "Since then, protest activity at Justices' homes, as well as threatening activity, has only increased."

Republicans lie so much that I no longer take them at their word. Why do you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is zero proof Ginni has done anything wrong. None.

Also, are you okay with people who disagree with the 3 who dissented getting daily protests, their churches visited and their Children’s schools published.

Of course not.

You see.... the standard is simple.
If they are liberal Justices, or Justices who vote in a way which liberals approve, they are most deserving of protection.
If they aren't liberal or don't vote the right way, they absolutely should be protested and threatened.

No one is saying the justices should be threatened. And no one is threatening them.

Why are you posting blatant misinformation. Yes, justices have been threatened. That is unacceptable. End of story. This is not a partisan issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is zero proof Ginni has done anything wrong. None.

Also, are you okay with people who disagree with the 3 who dissented getting daily protests, their churches visited and their Children’s schools published.

Of course not.

You see.... the standard is simple.
If they are liberal Justices, or Justices who vote in a way which liberals approve, they are most deserving of protection.
If they aren't liberal or don't vote the right way, they absolutely should be protested and threatened.

No one is saying the justices should be threatened. And no one is threatening them.

Hold up, how do you define "no one"? Because it is a fact that at least one of them has absolutely been threated.

They weren't actually threatened. Dude turned himself in before doing anything.

How do you define threatened?
And why do you assume the general public would know about all threats?

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The fact that the Marshal of the Court took the unprecedented step to write to MD and VA officials tells me there have been threats we have not heard about.

They mention NO THREATS, they merely mention nuisance laws. As you can see justices receive ROUND THE CLOCK protection from US Marshalls, even though they aren’t technically legally entitled to it. They are not entitled to break off peaceful protests.

In the letter: "Since then, protest activity at Justices' homes, as well as threatening activity, has only increased."

The justices are upset. She needs to be seen to be doing something. A protest is an expression of first amendment rights. It’s not a threat. Finally I don’t believe her. This is what happens when you lie all the time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would not want a progressive Justice, voting to allow less restricted euthanasia, for example, to be threatened at their private home. I am for protecting Justices' families, and particularly minor children, from any controversy surrounding their parent's professional decisions.

It's hard to watch a Clarence and a treasonous Ginny strutting about without fear of consequences. It's hard to read Alito citing such racist and misogynist texts upon which to base his decision and writing about women in such a degrading manner.

But this is their job. They should not be disturbed at their home.

The protestors are on public property. I don’t think justices deserve special protection from peaceful protests. They already have effective protection against actual threats—the man who traveled to Kavanaugh’s house was arrested.

They’ve decided to live in liberal neighborhoods among people who disagree with them. The conservative justices can move out to rural MD or Va if they’d like to feel more comfortable.

PP you replied to. I hear you, but putting myself in their shoes, with my minor children, I would not want to subject someone else to that. Do unto others. It's not Kavanaugh's daughters' fault that they have a beer-obsessed, intellectual dwarf of a progenitor. They should not suffer because he chose to make all women and children suffer... including them. He may think that he can buy his way out his daughters' potential future abortions, but it's not that simple, so he actually is putting them in harm's way already.

So no.

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Anonymous wrote:I would not want a progressive Justice, voting to allow less restricted euthanasia, for example, to be threatened at their private home. I am for protecting Justices' families, and particularly minor children, from any controversy surrounding their parent's professional decisions.

It's hard to watch a Clarence and a treasonous Ginny strutting about without fear of consequences. It's hard to read Alito citing such racist and misogynist texts upon which to base his decision and writing about women in such a degrading manner.

But this is their job. They should not be disturbed at their home.

The protestors are on public property. I don’t think justices deserve special protection from peaceful protests. They already have effective protection against actual threats—the man who traveled to Kavanaugh’s house was arrested.

They’ve decided to live in liberal neighborhoods among people who disagree with them. The conservative justices can move out to rural MD or Va if they’d like to feel more comfortable.

PP you replied to. I hear you, but putting myself in their shoes, with my minor children, I would not want to subject someone else to that. Do unto others. It's not Kavanaugh's daughters' fault that they have a beer-obsessed, intellectual dwarf of a progenitor. They should not suffer because he chose to make all women and children suffer... including them. He may think that he can buy his way out his daughters' potential future abortions, but it's not that simple, so he actually is putting them in harm's way already.

So no.

Of course his daughters shouldn’t suffer. But he doesn’t get to use them as shields. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take. He doesn’t get preferential treatment. He can send them away for the summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would not want a progressive Justice, voting to allow less restricted euthanasia, for example, to be threatened at their private home. I am for protecting Justices' families, and particularly minor children, from any controversy surrounding their parent's professional decisions.

It's hard to watch a Clarence and a treasonous Ginny strutting about without fear of consequences. It's hard to read Alito citing such racist and misogynist texts upon which to base his decision and writing about women in such a degrading manner.

But this is their job. They should not be disturbed at their home.

Well, you just go out and get yourself a AR-15 and you stand guard over them. They deserve no protection nor do their families. Although, if one of their children were killed, gun control would happen overnight. The GOP takes care of their own but to hell with regular citizens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's the problem with an out-of-control Supreme Court such as we have. If they are spitting in the eye of the Executive Branch, along with spitting in the eye of a big chunk of the Legislature and many states they don't have much of a leg to stand on.

Congress passed bill to provide them AND their families round the clock protection. Democrats did not use this as leverage, to the contrary they moved fast to expand SCOTUS security entitlement.

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70 percent of the country despises them. That number will only go up.

They can move their families to Texas or Alabama if they want people groveling.

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Sorry, I don’t have the energy to give to the comfort of conservative justices. My energy is too consumed with having my individual rights stripped away. Someone else will have to take this one up.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to be clear, you are saying that *certain justices* should not have protections right? You are not advocating for any principle that says supreme court justices in general do not require protection, correct?

What that boils down to is that you disagree with their decisions on particular cases and are vengeful.

Look, that is fine. But let's just call it what it is.

No. Any justice that takes part in the ending of elections. Any justice that gives legitimacy to ending democracy should not be immune.

Right, so what you are saying is that entitlement to protection is based on whether you agree with their decisions.

You would agree, right, that if the Dobbs decision had gone the other way, the justices in the majority would be entitled to protection from angry anti-abortion activists?

No. It's based on fidelity to America and our demicratic experiment.

As for abortion, which I wasn't talking about. They should be held to the exact same standard that they created.

OK, so can you identify which justices decided on a case that helped end elections? Which case are you talking about?

It's next year. Moore v. Harper. They already granted cert.

Right. PP said that any justice that does that should no longer be entitled to protection. It hasn't happened, so why no protection?

Because they don't need anything more than they already have. They have protection. There are over 4,000 US marshals. None of which should be wasting their time on run of the mill protests.

How's that leak investigation going? Have they interviewed Ginni yet?

You’re not the PP right? PP was clear that it was the current conservative justice who did not require protection because of their hypothetical future decisions.

If you are saying that SC justices in general do not require additional protection, that is a different thing.

No. That is not true. You assumed that it had to do with ideology.

Under the standards they've set these "protests" are quiet, private and protected by the 1st Amendment. It doesn't matter which Justice it is.

I did not assume. I was interacting with a specific poster or posters who made the following statements:

"Have to agree. Really don’t have any sympathy for their discomfort. They know in their hearts that their opinions have turned constitutional law on its head. They shouldn’t be surprised that people can see right through their phony logic and made up doctrines. Choices have consequences. One of them is angry citizens who have every right to voice their displeasure. It’s called the first amendment."

"Especially since they decided to take up the independent state legisature theory case!"

"So they weren't willing to give healthcare patients protection from anti-abortion zealots, but want said protections for themselves."

"No. Any justice that takes part in the ending of elections. Any justice that gives legitimacy to ending democracy should not be immune."

"As soon as they restore the right for clinicians to have privacy and peace in their own homes, they can have the same. Until then, they can reap what they sow."

None of which say anything about protection for some but not all.

The facts remain. The Court has ruled that a 35 foot buffer zone is not allowed and that events similar to what is happening are "quiet" and "private". The Court itself has ruled that nothing can be done and that nothng is happening. Can't have different rules just because they think they are more important than everyone else.

You seem to be confusing the right to protest with the option to supply an additional security detail when those lawful protests are happening. The court did not rule “that nothing can be done.”

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Anonymous wrote:Just to be clear, you are saying that *certain justices* should not have protections right? You are not advocating for any principle that says supreme court justices in general do not require protection, correct?

What that boils down to is that you disagree with their decisions on particular cases and are vengeful.

Look, that is fine. But let's just call it what it is.

No. Any justice that takes part in the ending of elections. Any justice that gives legitimacy to ending democracy should not be immune.

Right, so what you are saying is that entitlement to protection is based on whether you agree with their decisions.

You would agree, right, that if the Dobbs decision had gone the other way, the justices in the majority would be entitled to protection from angry anti-abortion activists?

No. It's based on fidelity to America and our demicratic experiment.

As for abortion, which I wasn't talking about. They should be held to the exact same standard that they created.

OK, so can you identify which justices decided on a case that helped end elections? Which case are you talking about?

It's next year. Moore v. Harper. They already granted cert.

Right. PP said that any justice that does that should no longer be entitled to protection. It hasn't happened, so why no protection?

Because they don't need anything more than they already have. They have protection. There are over 4,000 US marshals. None of which should be wasting their time on run of the mill protests.

How's that leak investigation going? Have they interviewed Ginni yet?

You’re not the PP right? PP was clear that it was the current conservative justice who did not require protection because of their hypothetical future decisions.

If you are saying that SC justices in general do not require additional protection, that is a different thing.

No. That is not true. You assumed that it had to do with ideology.

Under the standards they've set these "protests" are quiet, private and protected by the 1st Amendment. It doesn't matter which Justice it is.

I did not assume. I was interacting with a specific poster or posters who made the following statements:

"Have to agree. Really don’t have any sympathy for their discomfort. They know in their hearts that their opinions have turned constitutional law on its head. They shouldn’t be surprised that people can see right through their phony logic and made up doctrines. Choices have consequences. One of them is angry citizens who have every right to voice their displeasure. It’s called the first amendment."

"Especially since they decided to take up the independent state legisature theory case!"

"So they weren't willing to give healthcare patients protection from anti-abortion zealots, but want said protections for themselves."

"No. Any justice that takes part in the ending of elections. Any justice that gives legitimacy to ending democracy should not be immune."

"As soon as they restore the right for clinicians to have privacy and peace in their own homes, they can have the same. Until then, they can reap what they sow."

None of which say anything about protection for some but not all.

The facts remain. The Court has ruled that a 35 foot buffer zone is not allowed and that events similar to what is happening are "quiet" and "private". The Court itself has ruled that nothing can be done and that nothng is happening. Can't have different rules just because they think they are more important than everyone else.

Those statements rely on the “logic used” and what they were “willing to do” as well as one that specifically points out “any justice” that takes part in….
Those reasons only apply to a subset of justices and not others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:70 percent of the country despises them. That number will only go up.

They can move their families to Texas or Alabama if they want people groveling.

Where is your source for this figure? Where is the scientific poll data?

[Anonymous]

I am sure everyone is okay with protests at the homes of the dissenters of the latest cases?

[Anonymous]

Guys, can we be clear on what we are talking about please?

Protests: whether people have the right to peaceably assemble outside someone’s home (yes, of course)

Protection: whether high profile public officials should have an additional protection detail when there is heightened risk (also yes)