What can unattached PVS swimmer do if he wants to continue to compete ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it was in early June at an outdoor pool. it was raining and windy, a lot swimmers scratched their events.

it seems some poster know who we are -- anyway thanks for all the suggestions. we are doing fine without a club. we are 100% committed to high school swimming competition. The season is short but very rewarding.

I don’t know who you are but I’m calling BS. My 10 year old DD did an outdoor meet last year in early-mid June where it was cold and windy and generally awful, and not a single kid DQ-shivering. No one really dropped time, and some added a lot of time, but no one DQ for shivering, and I was timing the 12 U session.

Likely you only know how to time !

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it was in early June at an outdoor pool. it was raining and windy, a lot swimmers scratched their events.

it seems some poster know who we are -- anyway thanks for all the suggestions. we are doing fine without a club. we are 100% committed to high school swimming competition. The season is short but very rewarding.

I don’t know who you are but I’m calling BS. My 10 year old DD did an outdoor meet last year in early-mid June where it was cold and windy and generally awful, and not a single kid DQ-shivering. No one really dropped time, and some added a lot of time, but no one DQ for shivering, and I was timing the 12 U session.

Likely you only know how to time !

No, but the point remains there were no DQ-shivering even amongst the youngest female competitors, so no chance it happened to a 16 year old boy. Troll harder.

[Anonymous]

You are so dumb and assertive ! There is no DQ-shivering in swimming competition but any movement caused by shivering or shaking on the block between "take your mark" and the starting pistol being fired can be called false start DQ.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Swimming/comments/t30c4l/is_your_leg_shaking_on_the_block_a_valid_reason/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here again ! Just wanted to update with our experience as unattached swimmer.

We did attend one PVS meet early in the season, but we have not been able to attend other PVS meets. Often we did not hear back from the hosts on questions if we could attend the meets.

The same host that let us to compete in the early season also did not respond later on.

So it is at the mercy of the host if an unattached swimmer can compete at a PVS open meet.

So we decided to give up on PVS unattached status -- there is no point to pay money to register as a PVS swimmer without a chance to compete at PVS champs

the good news is that we can compete at high school meets and we are lucky enough to compete at Metro -- and this keeps our swimcloud account active.

no regret on giving up our club swimming. self training is effective. we achieved 4 personal best times and one of them qualified PVS champs

Why do you keep saying “we?” Are you in the pool with your kid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are so dumb and assertive ! There is no DQ-shivering in swimming competition but any movement caused by shivering or shaking on the block between "take your mark" and the starting pistol being fired can be called false start DQ.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Swimming/comments/t30c4l/is_your_leg_shaking_on_the_block_a_valid_reason/

Your source is Reddit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are so dumb and assertive ! There is no DQ-shivering in swimming competition but any movement caused by shivering or shaking on the block between "take your mark" and the starting pistol being fired can be called false start DQ.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Swimming/comments/t30c4l/is_your_leg_shaking_on_the_block_a_valid_reason/

Your source is Reddit?

the point is that swimmers (these are adults) do get DQ for false start due to a movement on the block. Swimming officials don't give the benefit of the doubt of the cause of such a movement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are so dumb and assertive ! There is no DQ-shivering in swimming competition but any movement caused by shivering or shaking on the block between "take your mark" and the starting pistol being fired can be called false start DQ.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Swimming/comments/t30c4l/is_your_leg_shaking_on_the_block_a_valid_reason/

Your source is Reddit?

the point is that swimmers (these are adults) do get DQ for false start due to a movement on the block. Swimming officials don't give the benefit of the doubt of the cause of such a movement.

But but really. Because that post is assuming a still set first. If this kid just never stopped shivering uncontrollably, you'd get 'take your mark. Stand. Take your mark. Stand.' then the starter going over to talk to the swimmer. Then repeat. Maybe after all that they'd start without stillness first, but more likely they boot the kid from the start.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are so dumb and assertive ! There is no DQ-shivering in swimming competition but any movement caused by shivering or shaking on the block between "take your mark" and the starting pistol being fired can be called false start DQ.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Swimming/comments/t30c4l/is_your_leg_shaking_on_the_block_a_valid_reason/

Your source is Reddit?

the point is that swimmers (these are adults) do get DQ for false start due to a movement on the block. Swimming officials don't give the benefit of the doubt of the cause of such a movement.

I'm responding to this for the benefit of anyone else reading the thread- its pretty clear that OP lives in her own world. I'm going to use the USA swimming rulebook as a source rather than a reddit thread. Here is the rule on false start
"Any swimmer initiating a start before the signal may be disqualified if the Referee independently observes and confirms the Starter’s observation that a violation occurred.
Swimmers remaining on the starting blocks shall be relieved from their starting positions with the "stand up" command and may step off the blocks." Rule 101.3A https://www.usaswimming.org/docs/default-source/rules-regulations/2023-rulebook.pdf
So no- shivering movement does not get a false start DQ. Initiating a start does.
Also swimming officials most definitely do give the benefit of the doubt. As stated in every officials briefing I've ever attended "the benefit of the doubt goes to the swimmer." Indeed when there is a false start, as in swimmer in the water, its pretty common for the starter and ref to go talk to the swimmer and see what made them start- did the block shake, did noise from the other pool, etc.
I haven't the foggiest idea what's going on with OP and her son-but for any other parent reading this concerned about their cold 7 year olds- no kids are not getting DQ'd for shivering.

[Anonymous]

OP here

Okay I might be mistaken on this DQ event. He hardly got DQ on false start but it was that a cold outdoor pool meet and often his shivering in cold during his practice. DQ is not this thread discussion Let's move on.

Back to the topic -- so unattached (non club) swimmers are not likely to have a chance to compete at PVS meets.

Also non-registered PVS swimmers can still participate high school swimming meets (including Metros and Regional/State Champs which are PVS sanctioned).

(note unattached is still PVS registered swimmer and the registration costs around $100/year)

If a non-registered swimmers make cuts of PVS champs during PVS sanctioned high school meets such as Metros --- can the swimmer uses the time to participate PVS Champs later on when the swimmer decides to register (or even join a club)

The problem is that the cut was made while as non-registered swimmer -- it would not be kept in swimmer's USA Swimming database although it is shown on swimming cloud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here

Okay I might be mistaken on this DQ event. He hardly got DQ on false start but it was that a cold outdoor pool meet and often his shivering in cold during his practice. DQ is not this thread discussion Let's move on.

Back to the topic -- so unattached (non club) swimmers are not likely to have a chance to compete at PVS meets.

Also non-registered PVS swimmers can still participate high school swimming meets (including Metros and Regional/State Champs which are PVS sanctioned).

(note unattached is still PVS registered swimmer and the registration costs around $100/year)

If a non-registered swimmers make cuts of PVS champs during PVS sanctioned high school meets such as Metros --- can the swimmer uses the time to participate PVS Champs later on when the swimmer decides to register (or even join a club)

The problem is that the cut was made while as non-registered swimmer -- it would not be kept in swimmer's USA Swimming database although it is shown on swimming cloud.

I truly wish the best for your swimmer, but the issue is you want him to complete in club swimming WITHOUT a club or even being registered as a USA swimming athlete. There is a reason you are running in to so many road blocks...the system is not designed for this. I think you know the answer...you need to either have him rejoin a club or give up on the competition aspect for USA swimming. Once he turns 18 he can join masters swimming and until then high school and summer league are an option.

[Anonymous]

PP

Thanks -- one more year, he will be at a college and he can certainly join a college swimming club. Master swimming will follow.

OP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here

Okay I might be mistaken on this DQ event. He hardly got DQ on false start but it was that a cold outdoor pool meet and often his shivering in cold during his practice. DQ is not this thread discussion Let's move on.

Back to the topic -- so unattached (non club) swimmers are not likely to have a chance to compete at PVS meets.

Also non-registered PVS swimmers can still participate high school swimming meets (including Metros and Regional/State Champs which are PVS sanctioned).

(note unattached is still PVS registered swimmer and the registration costs around $100/year)

If a non-registered swimmers make cuts of PVS champs during PVS sanctioned high school meets such as Metros --- can the swimmer uses the time to participate PVS Champs later on when the swimmer decides to register (or even join a club)

The problem is that the cut was made while as non-registered swimmer -- it would not be kept in swimmer's USA Swimming database although it is shown on swimming cloud.

I think what you are saying is that your swimmer obtained a qualifying cut at a high school meet, and what would you have to do to make that time cut count so that the swimmer can participate in the PVS championship meet either as an unattached swimmer or through joining a club.
I think this answer is that it might be possible, but it will be challenging. First, was the meet that the time was obtained at a PVS observed meet? If the answer to this is no- you won't be able to use the time. If the answer to this is yes- read on.
If you were to join a club- then there is a way to submit the time to the club, they do some verification, and can enter it as a USA Swimming time.
If you stay 'unattached' then you don't have anyone to do the submittal and verification- and I don't think that will work.

[Anonymous]

high school dual meet and divisional champ meet are not PVS sanctioned --the meet results are not qualified as cuts for PVS champs.

[Anonymous]

OP here

All MCSL summer swimming meets are not PVS sanctioned except Coaches Invitational LC meet.

All high school dual meets and divisional champ are not PVS sanctioned.

High school meets (Metro/Regional/State/ Champs so called post season meets) are PVS sanctioned.

PVS sanctioned meet results are shown on swimcloud, and for those who are registered PVS swimmers the results are also shown on USA swimming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here

All MCSL summer swimming meets are not PVS sanctioned except Coaches Invitational LC meet.

All high school dual meets and divisional champ are not PVS sanctioned.

High school meets (Metro/Regional/State/ Champs so called post season meets) are PVS sanctioned.

PVS sanctioned meet results are shown on swimcloud, and for those who are registered PVS swimmers the results are also shown on USA swimming.

Your last two sentences are not correct. Those meets are pvs observed, not sanctioned. The results are only shown on USA swimming if it is a 'best time' and the swimmer undertook the steps to have it recorded into usa swimming.