Daycares taking advantage of COVID

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Anonymous wrote:It’s probably a staffing issue. Keep sick kids home.

A staffing issue for 2+ years? When they are fully staffed (said by them). Do you have a toddler? A toddler with a runny nose isn't sick. That's just their baseline. Daycares know this and it's never been a problem before (this is my third kid in this daycare). All the parents are annoyed. If toddlers stayed home for a runny nose there would be nobody in the class.

Yes. Where have you been? Unemployment is at record lows. Low paying jobs with no/crappy benefits aren’t keeping staff.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s probably a staffing issue. Keep sick kids home.

A staffing issue for 2+ years? When they are fully staffed (said by them). Do you have a toddler? A toddler with a runny nose isn't sick. That's just their baseline. Daycares know this and it's never been a problem before (this is my third kid in this daycare). All the parents are annoyed. If toddlers stayed home for a runny nose there would be nobody in the class.

So stop using their privately owned business. There is a line of parents who will take your place.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if it’s denial or what but it’s always funny to me that parents say their kids have “allergies”. And it’s always funny to me how these allergies then spread to all of the other kids! then miraculously, allergies disappear after a couple of weeks. It’s also funny how these allergies are never documented by a doctor, or medicated by parents.

If by sending one child home for a runny nose it helps prevent an entire classroom closure then that’s what needs to happen.

Sounds like you hate working moms.

Sounds like you think being a working parent entitles you to send a symptomatic child to daycare. It doesn’t. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if it’s denial or what but it’s always funny to me that parents say their kids have “allergies”. And it’s always funny to me how these allergies then spread to all of the other kids! then miraculously, allergies disappear after a couple of weeks. It’s also funny how these allergies are never documented by a doctor, or medicated by parents.

If by sending one child home for a runny nose it helps prevent an entire classroom closure then that’s what needs to happen.

Sounds like you hate working moms.

I think there is a subset of teachers that have created this mythology of things that parents do intentionally to cheat the system. Like if a child's temperature goes up during the time they are at daycare, clearly the parents must have given the child Tylenol to bring down the fever. Because children only develop fevers between the hours of 6pm and 8am, everyone knows that.

Or now with COVID, if the child has some mild symptom, the parent MUST know that symptom cannot be due to allergies (which can vary from week to week depending on pollen counts), since whether you realize it or not in addition to COVID test kits Biden has also been sending out general virus test kits to all families so they can INTENTIONALLY send their kids to daycare sick.

This is not a myth. VERY common in elementary school. The kids will tell the teacher “my mom gave me the (insert color here) medicine.”

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if it’s denial or what but it’s always funny to me that parents say their kids have “allergies”. And it’s always funny to me how these allergies then spread to all of the other kids! then miraculously, allergies disappear after a couple of weeks. It’s also funny how these allergies are never documented by a doctor, or medicated by parents.

If by sending one child home for a runny nose it helps prevent an entire classroom closure then that’s what needs to happen.

Sounds like you hate working moms.

Working or not, your kids are your responsibility, especially when sick. Working Dad can also stay home.

So then why do daycares exist? Because based on what you just said one parent always needs to be at home.

Daycares don’t exist to take care of sick kids.

There are a couple of issues at play here. First, many families do not have sick leave at work and do not have people who can cover for them. They often have no choice.

But also, everyone has limits. If you quarantine whole classes for 10 days, do you think the parents will be able to take a day or 2 off the next month just in case the symptoms that look like allergies are not? If you want to stop diseases from spreading families have to keep kids home at the beginning of an illness, not after they stop being infectious but still have a lingering cough or runny nose. Having draconian policies on keeping kids home does not help, it just means I will send my kid in as long as I can get away with it so that I can keep my job.

Yes, they do. They are YOUR children. You need multiple backup plans. “I had no choice to send my sick kid to school/daycare” is a lazy, pathetic copout.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if it’s denial or what but it’s always funny to me that parents say their kids have “allergies”. And it’s always funny to me how these allergies then spread to all of the other kids! then miraculously, allergies disappear after a couple of weeks. It’s also funny how these allergies are never documented by a doctor, or medicated by parents.

If by sending one child home for a runny nose it helps prevent an entire classroom closure then that’s what needs to happen.

Sounds like you hate working moms.

Working or not, your kids are your responsibility, especially when sick. Working Dad can also stay home.

So then why do daycares exist? Because based on what you just said one parent always needs to be at home.

Daycares don’t exist to take care of sick kids.

There are a couple of issues at play here. First, many families do not have sick leave at work and do not have people who can cover for them. They often have no choice.

But also, everyone has limits. If you quarantine whole classes for 10 days, do you think the parents will be able to take a day or 2 off the next month just in case the symptoms that look like allergies are not? If you want to stop diseases from spreading families have to keep kids home at the beginning of an illness, not after they stop being infectious but still have a lingering cough or runny nose. Having draconian policies on keeping kids home does not help, it just means I will send my kid in as long as I can get away with it so that I can keep my job.

Covid is now something parents need to plan for. Do you have sick leave? Do you have annual leave? Are you married? Why can't your spouse also take off. Most people in professional jobs get 2-4 weeks of leave, so multiple that by two parents and it should get you through. It just means sacrifices like skipping vacations. But, if you can afford a vacation you can afford to pay someone to care for your sick kids too.

I don't think I realized how many non-parents used dcum until I read this thread. You literally have no idea how hard this has been for parents. No idea whatsoever. Your comment is so ignorant.

I almost certainly have more kids than you do and I agree with every word that PP said.

You are a parent. It is your responsibility. Plan accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if it’s denial or what but it’s always funny to me that parents say their kids have “allergies”. And it’s always funny to me how these allergies then spread to all of the other kids! then miraculously, allergies disappear after a couple of weeks. It’s also funny how these allergies are never documented by a doctor, or medicated by parents.

If by sending one child home for a runny nose it helps prevent an entire classroom closure then that’s what needs to happen.

Sounds like you hate working moms.

Working or not, your kids are your responsibility, especially when sick. Working Dad can also stay home.

So then why do daycares exist? Because based on what you just said one parent always needs to be at home.

Daycares don’t exist to take care of sick kids.

There are a couple of issues at play here. First, many families do not have sick leave at work and do not have people who can cover for them. They often have no choice.

But also, everyone has limits. If you quarantine whole classes for 10 days, do you think the parents will be able to take a day or 2 off the next month just in case the symptoms that look like allergies are not? If you want to stop diseases from spreading families have to keep kids home at the beginning of an illness, not after they stop being infectious but still have a lingering cough or runny nose. Having draconian policies on keeping kids home does not help, it just means I will send my kid in as long as I can get away with it so that I can keep my job.

Covid is now something parents need to plan for. Do you have sick leave? Do you have annual leave? Are you married? Why can't your spouse also take off. Most people in professional jobs get 2-4 weeks of leave, so multiple that by two parents and it should get you through. It just means sacrifices like skipping vacations. But, if you can afford a vacation you can afford to pay someone to care for your sick kids too.

NP. My two children have missed a combined total of 72 days from daycare in the past 18 months, solely due to classroom quarantines and not their own illnesses. That's 72 days of my DH and I having to shift our schedules, beg for WFH, etc. And those are days that my kids were HEALTHY. That doesn't count the week we missed due to my toddler's RSV, or the 3 days my older DD missed due to a stomach virus. Neither child has ever tested positive for covid and, fortunately, older DD is now vaccinated.
How many days of leave do you have? Can you cover 72 days of unplanned leave in 18 months due to quarantining healthy children??

Congratulations. You have the same problem millions of other parents have. You also have white collar jobs that have a prayer of allowing WFH ever, at all, under any circumstances, and you aren’t the Walmart cashier working three jobs to stay in their apartment. Handle it.

[Anonymous]

Some jurisdictions have not traced the cohort/pod requirements which means that teachers and floaters cannot cover students in other cohorts and this requires more staff during the ends of the day (drop off and pick up times where in the past, the staff and cohorts are combined while still maintaining staff to children ratios). But the cohort/pod requirements make it necessary to employ more staff to cover the drop off and pick up times and to make this work in the most economic manner, hours of coverage need to be shaved.

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Not traced by relaxed.

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I'm just curious what grade the "deal with it", "these are your children", "make it work", "have multiple backup plans" poster teaches? As you are most certainly not a parent but a childless teacher that thinks they are superior and knows exactly how everything works.

You are being combative and telling people to make something work that is literally not workable...but ok.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if it’s denial or what but it’s always funny to me that parents say their kids have “allergies”. And it’s always funny to me how these allergies then spread to all of the other kids! then miraculously, allergies disappear after a couple of weeks. It’s also funny how these allergies are never documented by a doctor, or medicated by parents.

If by sending one child home for a runny nose it helps prevent an entire classroom closure then that’s what needs to happen.

Sounds like you hate working moms.

Working or not, your kids are your responsibility, especially when sick. Working Dad can also stay home.

So then why do daycares exist? Because based on what you just said one parent always needs to be at home.

Daycares don’t exist to take care of sick kids.

There are a couple of issues at play here. First, many families do not have sick leave at work and do not have people who can cover for them. They often have no choice.

But also, everyone has limits. If you quarantine whole classes for 10 days, do you think the parents will be able to take a day or 2 off the next month just in case the symptoms that look like allergies are not? If you want to stop diseases from spreading families have to keep kids home at the beginning of an illness, not after they stop being infectious but still have a lingering cough or runny nose. Having draconian policies on keeping kids home does not help, it just means I will send my kid in as long as I can get away with it so that I can keep my job.

Covid is now something parents need to plan for. Do you have sick leave? Do you have annual leave? Are you married? Why can't your spouse also take off. Most people in professional jobs get 2-4 weeks of leave, so multiple that by two parents and it should get you through. It just means sacrifices like skipping vacations. But, if you can afford a vacation you can afford to pay someone to care for your sick kids too.

NP. My two children have missed a combined total of 72 days from daycare in the past 18 months, solely due to classroom quarantines and not their own illnesses. That's 72 days of my DH and I having to shift our schedules, beg for WFH, etc. And those are days that my kids were HEALTHY. That doesn't count the week we missed due to my toddler's RSV, or the 3 days my older DD missed due to a stomach virus. Neither child has ever tested positive for covid and, fortunately, older DD is now vaccinated.
How many days of leave do you have? Can you cover 72 days of unplanned leave in 18 months due to quarantining healthy children??

Congratulations. You have the same problem millions of other parents have. You also have white collar jobs that have a prayer of allowing WFH ever, at all, under any circumstances, and you aren’t the Walmart cashier working three jobs to stay in their apartment. Handle it.

Yeah, genius. If you read my follow up posts, I said that. We are fortunate. There are others at our daycare (families with teachers and nurses) who can't juggle like this).
But sounds like you just enjoy being a nasty person on an anonymous message board late at night.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if it’s denial or what but it’s always funny to me that parents say their kids have “allergies”. And it’s always funny to me how these allergies then spread to all of the other kids! then miraculously, allergies disappear after a couple of weeks. It’s also funny how these allergies are never documented by a doctor, or medicated by parents.

If by sending one child home for a runny nose it helps prevent an entire classroom closure then that’s what needs to happen.

Sounds like you hate working moms.

Working or not, your kids are your responsibility, especially when sick. Working Dad can also stay home.

So then why do daycares exist? Because based on what you just said one parent always needs to be at home.

Daycares don’t exist to take care of sick kids.

There are a couple of issues at play here. First, many families do not have sick leave at work and do not have people who can cover for them. They often have no choice.

But also, everyone has limits. If you quarantine whole classes for 10 days, do you think the parents will be able to take a day or 2 off the next month just in case the symptoms that look like allergies are not? If you want to stop diseases from spreading families have to keep kids home at the beginning of an illness, not after they stop being infectious but still have a lingering cough or runny nose. Having draconian policies on keeping kids home does not help, it just means I will send my kid in as long as I can get away with it so that I can keep my job.

Yes, they do. They are YOUR children. You need multiple backup plans. “I had no choice to send my sick kid to school/daycare” is a lazy, pathetic copout.

"Multiple" backup plans? During a pandemic? Sure. Even if we lived near family, it would be the height of irresponsibility to send a potentially sick child to grandparents for the day. There needs to be more sick leave available to parents with these policies.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if it’s denial or what but it’s always funny to me that parents say their kids have “allergies”. And it’s always funny to me how these allergies then spread to all of the other kids! then miraculously, allergies disappear after a couple of weeks. It’s also funny how these allergies are never documented by a doctor, or medicated by parents.

If by sending one child home for a runny nose it helps prevent an entire classroom closure then that’s what needs to happen.

Sounds like you hate working moms.

Working or not, your kids are your responsibility, especially when sick. Working Dad can also stay home.

So then why do daycares exist? Because based on what you just said one parent always needs to be at home.

Daycares don’t exist to take care of sick kids.

There are a couple of issues at play here. First, many families do not have sick leave at work and do not have people who can cover for them. They often have no choice.

But also, everyone has limits. If you quarantine whole classes for 10 days, do you think the parents will be able to take a day or 2 off the next month just in case the symptoms that look like allergies are not? If you want to stop diseases from spreading families have to keep kids home at the beginning of an illness, not after they stop being infectious but still have a lingering cough or runny nose. Having draconian policies on keeping kids home does not help, it just means I will send my kid in as long as I can get away with it so that I can keep my job.

Covid is now something parents need to plan for. Do you have sick leave? Do you have annual leave? Are you married? Why can't your spouse also take off. Most people in professional jobs get 2-4 weeks of leave, so multiple that by two parents and it should get you through. It just means sacrifices like skipping vacations. But, if you can afford a vacation you can afford to pay someone to care for your sick kids too.

NP. My two children have missed a combined total of 72 days from daycare in the past 18 months, solely due to classroom quarantines and not their own illnesses. That's 72 days of my DH and I having to shift our schedules, beg for WFH, etc. And those are days that my kids were HEALTHY. That doesn't count the week we missed due to my toddler's RSV, or the 3 days my older DD missed due to a stomach virus. Neither child has ever tested positive for covid and, fortunately, older DD is now vaccinated.
How many days of leave do you have? Can you cover 72 days of unplanned leave in 18 months due to quarantining healthy children??

Congratulations. You have the same problem millions of other parents have. You also have white collar jobs that have a prayer of allowing WFH ever, at all, under any circumstances, and you aren’t the Walmart cashier working three jobs to stay in their apartment. Handle it.

Yeah, genius. If you read my follow up posts, I said that. We are fortunate. There are others at our daycare (families with teachers and nurses) who can't juggle like this).
But sounds like you just enjoy being a nasty person on an anonymous message board late at night.

Yeah my sister is a teacher in another state in the NE and due to the sub shortage she gets GRILLED by her principal every time she has to take a sick day to deal with her toddler being excluded from daycare. My BIL also has a work-in-person job. DH and I are fortunate that we have plenty of sick time and our supervisors don't give us a hard time about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if it’s denial or what but it’s always funny to me that parents say their kids have “allergies”. And it’s always funny to me how these allergies then spread to all of the other kids! then miraculously, allergies disappear after a couple of weeks. It’s also funny how these allergies are never documented by a doctor, or medicated by parents.

If by sending one child home for a runny nose it helps prevent an entire classroom closure then that’s what needs to happen.

Sounds like you hate working moms.

Working or not, your kids are your responsibility, especially when sick. Working Dad can also stay home.

So then why do daycares exist? Because based on what you just said one parent always needs to be at home.

Daycares don’t exist to take care of sick kids.

There are a couple of issues at play here. First, many families do not have sick leave at work and do not have people who can cover for them. They often have no choice.

But also, everyone has limits. If you quarantine whole classes for 10 days, do you think the parents will be able to take a day or 2 off the next month just in case the symptoms that look like allergies are not? If you want to stop diseases from spreading families have to keep kids home at the beginning of an illness, not after they stop being infectious but still have a lingering cough or runny nose. Having draconian policies on keeping kids home does not help, it just means I will send my kid in as long as I can get away with it so that I can keep my job.

Covid is now something parents need to plan for. Do you have sick leave? Do you have annual leave? Are you married? Why can't your spouse also take off. Most people in professional jobs get 2-4 weeks of leave, so multiple that by two parents and it should get you through. It just means sacrifices like skipping vacations. But, if you can afford a vacation you can afford to pay someone to care for your sick kids too.

NP. My two children have missed a combined total of 72 days from daycare in the past 18 months, solely due to classroom quarantines and not their own illnesses. That's 72 days of my DH and I having to shift our schedules, beg for WFH, etc. And those are days that my kids were HEALTHY. That doesn't count the week we missed due to my toddler's RSV, or the 3 days my older DD missed due to a stomach virus. Neither child has ever tested positive for covid and, fortunately, older DD is now vaccinated.
How many days of leave do you have? Can you cover 72 days of unplanned leave in 18 months due to quarantining healthy children??

Congratulations. You have the same problem millions of other parents have. You also have white collar jobs that have a prayer of allowing WFH ever, at all, under any circumstances, and you aren’t the Walmart cashier working three jobs to stay in their apartment. Handle it.

Yeah, genius. If you read my follow up posts, I said that. We are fortunate. There are others at our daycare (families with teachers and nurses) who can't juggle like this).
But sounds like you just enjoy being a nasty person on an anonymous message board late at night.

Yeah my sister is a teacher in another state in the NE and due to the sub shortage she gets GRILLED by her principal every time she has to take a sick day to deal with her toddler being excluded from daycare. My BIL also has a work-in-person job. DH and I are fortunate that we have plenty of sick time and our supervisors don't give us a hard time about it.

Right? These people who think it is so easy for everyone to have multiple backup plans for care are clueless of how this actually works, especially when it happens over and over again for 2 years with no relief in sight. Our county health debt has given no indication they are changing policies any time soon.
I have no issue with keeping my kids home if they are sick. Of course, I will do that. It is the repeated, mandatory 10 day quarantines of my perfectly healthy toddler that are ridiculous and, frankly at this stage of the pandemic, pointless.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if it’s denial or what but it’s always funny to me that parents say their kids have “allergies”. And it’s always funny to me how these allergies then spread to all of the other kids! then miraculously, allergies disappear after a couple of weeks. It’s also funny how these allergies are never documented by a doctor, or medicated by parents.

If by sending one child home for a runny nose it helps prevent an entire classroom closure then that’s what needs to happen.

Sounds like you hate working moms.

Working or not, your kids are your responsibility, especially when sick. Working Dad can also stay home.

So then why do daycares exist? Because based on what you just said one parent always needs to be at home.

Daycares don’t exist to take care of sick kids.

There are a couple of issues at play here. First, many families do not have sick leave at work and do not have people who can cover for them. They often have no choice.

But also, everyone has limits. If you quarantine whole classes for 10 days, do you think the parents will be able to take a day or 2 off the next month just in case the symptoms that look like allergies are not? If you want to stop diseases from spreading families have to keep kids home at the beginning of an illness, not after they stop being infectious but still have a lingering cough or runny nose. Having draconian policies on keeping kids home does not help, it just means I will send my kid in as long as I can get away with it so that I can keep my job.

Yes, they do. They are YOUR children. You need multiple backup plans. “I had no choice to send my sick kid to school/daycare” is a lazy, pathetic copout.

"Multiple" backup plans? During a pandemic? Sure. Even if we lived near family, it would be the height of irresponsibility to send a potentially sick child to grandparents for the day. There needs to be more sick leave available to parents with these policies.

Exactly, and in the COVID paranoia age, nannies won't watch your kid if they're sick -- and you feel like an a**hole for even asking.