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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:but....a lot of the problems now are caused by what happened last year. I mean, there are ways to remedy this, but it's not happening. Did you really think all those extra resources needed would happen? It's not like there are even people to HIRE, even if the money was there.

(I remember having a convo last year, being shocked about everyone being good with the school closures, and people not realizing the repercussions it will have in the long term to public education)

Lol sure. The school closure was a good thing. You have no idea how many teachers would have just quit. There would not have been any “learning”.

Oddly enough, many teachers are quitting now — after a year of virtual and an exhausting return-to-in-person year. I wonder what the situation would be if school had remained in-person throughout?

Good point. This year wouldn't have been so exhausting with learning loss and a sharp uptick in behavior and emotional issues if schools were open last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:but....a lot of the problems now are caused by what happened last year. I mean, there are ways to remedy this, but it's not happening. Did you really think all those extra resources needed would happen? It's not like there are even people to HIRE, even if the money was there.

(I remember having a convo last year, being shocked about everyone being good with the school closures, and people not realizing the repercussions it will have in the long term to public education)

Lol sure. The school closure was a good thing. You have no idea how many teachers would have just quit. There would not have been any “learning”.

Oddly enough, many teachers are quitting now — after a year of virtual and an exhausting return-to-in-person year. I wonder what the situation would be if school had remained in-person throughout?

Good point. This year wouldn't have been so exhausting with learning loss and a sharp uptick in behavior and emotional issues if schools were open last year.

I too came from that alternate reality so that I can speak definitively about what would have happened in a different and complex situation.

/s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:but....a lot of the problems now are caused by what happened last year. I mean, there are ways to remedy this, but it's not happening. Did you really think all those extra resources needed would happen? It's not like there are even people to HIRE, even if the money was there.

(I remember having a convo last year, being shocked about everyone being good with the school closures, and people not realizing the repercussions it will have in the long term to public education)

Lol sure. The school closure was a good thing. You have no idea how many teachers would have just quit. There would not have been any “learning”.

Oddly enough, many teachers are quitting now — after a year of virtual and an exhausting return-to-in-person year. I wonder what the situation would be if school had remained in-person throughout?

Good point. This year wouldn't have been so exhausting with learning loss and a sharp uptick in behavior and emotional issues if schools were open last year.

I too came from that alternate reality so that I can speak definitively about what would have happened in a different and complex situation.

/s

the alternate reality is that catholic & private schools remained open, and that countries like Sweden that never closed had zero learning loss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:but....a lot of the problems now are caused by what happened last year. I mean, there are ways to remedy this, but it's not happening. Did you really think all those extra resources needed would happen? It's not like there are even people to HIRE, even if the money was there.

(I remember having a convo last year, being shocked about everyone being good with the school closures, and people not realizing the repercussions it will have in the long term to public education)

Lol sure. The school closure was a good thing. You have no idea how many teachers would have just quit. There would not have been any “learning”.

Oddly enough, many teachers are quitting now — after a year of virtual and an exhausting return-to-in-person year. I wonder what the situation would be if school had remained in-person throughout?

Good point. This year wouldn't have been so exhausting with learning loss and a sharp uptick in behavior and emotional issues if schools were open last year.

I too came from that alternate reality so that I can speak definitively about what would have happened in a different and complex situation.

/s

the alternate reality is that catholic & private schools remained open, and that countries like Sweden that never closed had zero learning loss.

and private and catholic schools are also losing teachers, which is what this is about, poster who loves to talk about learning loss on every thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:but....a lot of the problems now are caused by what happened last year. I mean, there are ways to remedy this, but it's not happening. Did you really think all those extra resources needed would happen? It's not like there are even people to HIRE, even if the money was there.

(I remember having a convo last year, being shocked about everyone being good with the school closures, and people not realizing the repercussions it will have in the long term to public education)

Lol sure. The school closure was a good thing. You have no idea how many teachers would have just quit. There would not have been any “learning”.

Oddly enough, many teachers are quitting now — after a year of virtual and an exhausting return-to-in-person year. I wonder what the situation would be if school had remained in-person throughout?

Good point. This year wouldn't have been so exhausting with learning loss and a sharp uptick in behavior and emotional issues if schools were open last year.

I too came from that alternate reality so that I can speak definitively about what would have happened in a different and complex situation.

/s

the alternate reality is that catholic & private schools remained open, and that countries like Sweden that never closed had zero learning loss.

and private and catholic schools are also losing teachers, which is what this is about, poster who loves to talk about learning loss on every thread.

No, they aren't.

What's wrong with talking about learning loss? It's a documented problem that needs to be addressed. It disproportionately hurts Black/poor kids. Why would it be something we should sweep under the rug?

[Anonymous]

"Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that the seasonally adjusted quit rate for people working in state and local public education reached 1.5% in July 2020, which was the highest rate seen in over 20 years of available data. The next summer, it dropped to just 0.3% – the lowest rate seen in the data.

By December 2021, the quit rate had evened out to 0.9%, which is similar to other government jobs and two-thirds lower than the national quit rate for all industries."
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"They may also stay because their other options are limited. A 2021 Rand Corp. survey of teachers who quit the profession found that the majority did not find better-paying jobs, and 3 out of 10 had to take jobs with no health insurance or retirement benefits.

"Among people who are leaving the profession, the research suggests that they generally do not find jobs that pay more than teaching. Their skills are not rewarded in other jobs," Aldeman says, adding that math and science teachers tend to be the exception.

Although fears of a mass exodus of teachers may be overstated, that doesn’t mean that schools are in the clear. Employment in local public education dropped 7.1% in September 2020, compared to a year earlier – a loss of over 570,000 workers. This is by far the largest drop in public education jobs ever recorded in the federal data, which goes back to 1955."

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2022-02-02/half-of-teachers-say-theyre-thinking-about-quitting-but-will-they#:~:text=The%20next%20summer%2C%20it%20dropped,quit%20rate%20for%20all%20industries.