Wilson is 50% over enrolled.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in California schools that were always over capacity. It didn’t affect my education to have classes that met in a trailer.

It isn't the trailers to which they object. It is that there are blacks and poors in the main building.

No. It’s because a HS of 2200+ is too large. It’s too many kids to feel a strong sense of belonging and community, too few kids get to play on sports teams, etc etc.

The best public high schools in the DC area all have 2000+. You have no earthly idea what you are talking about.

My public high school — one of the top ranked in the country — was 1000 total.

It was a great size. Just because 2000+ may be common around here doesn’t make it ideal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in California schools that were always over capacity. It didn’t affect my education to have classes that met in a trailer.

It isn't the trailers to which they object. It is that there are blacks and poors in the main building.

No. It’s because a HS of 2200+ is too large. It’s too many kids to feel a strong sense of belonging and community, too few kids get to play on sports teams, etc etc.

The best public high schools in the DC area all have 2000+. You have no earthly idea what you are talking about.

My public high school — one of the top ranked in the country — was 1000 total.

It was a great size. Just because 2000+ may be common around here doesn’t make it ideal.

Your response is non-sensical. Of course there are schools with 1000 that are good schools. And there are great public HS that are 3000. And what is best for your kid is specific to your kid. What I took issue with (and what your response tries to gloss over) is a blanket indictment of Wilson that it is too large...period. Not too large for your kid. But too large to offer opportunities for all, etc. That's nonsense wrapped up in garbage in a bouquet of detritus.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I grew up in California schools that were always over capacity. It didn’t affect my education to have classes that met in a trailer.

It isn't the trailers to which they object. It is that there are blacks and poors in the main building.

No. It’s because a HS of 2200+ is too large. It’s too many kids to feel a strong sense of belonging and community, too few kids get to play on sports teams, etc etc.

The best public high schools in the DC area all have 2000+. You have no earthly idea what you are talking about.

My public high school — one of the top ranked in the country — was 1000 total.

It was a great size. Just because 2000+ may be common around here doesn’t make it ideal.

Your response is non-sensical. Of course there are schools with 1000 that are good schools. And there are great public HS that are 3000. And what is best for your kid is specific to your kid. What I took issue with (and what your response tries to gloss over) is a blanket indictment of Wilson that it is too large...period. Not too large for your kid. But too large to offer opportunities for all, etc. That's nonsense wrapped up in garbage in a bouquet of detritus.

The problem with Wilson is not that it is way too large in student size for the physical space. This affects everything, academics, behavior, lunch, etc.. in a negative way.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in California schools that were always over capacity. It didn’t affect my education to have classes that met in a trailer.

It isn't the trailers to which they object. It is that there are blacks and poors in the main building.

No. It’s because a HS of 2200+ is too large. It’s too many kids to feel a strong sense of belonging and community, too few kids get to play on sports teams, etc etc.

The best public high schools in the DC area all have 2000+. You have no earthly idea what you are talking about.

My public high school — one of the top ranked in the country — was 1000 total.

It was a great size. Just because 2000+ may be common around here doesn’t make it ideal.

Your response is non-sensical. Of course there are schools with 1000 that are good schools. And there are great public HS that are 3000. And what is best for your kid is specific to your kid. What I took issue with (and what your response tries to gloss over) is a blanket indictment of Wilson that it is too large...period. Not too large for your kid. But too large to offer opportunities for all, etc. That's nonsense wrapped up in garbage in a bouquet of detritus.

The problem with Wilson is not that it is way too large in student size for the physical space. This affects everything, academics, behavior, lunch, etc.. in a negative way.

Typo take out not

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Anonymous wrote:Because when Bowser said “Deal for All” she literally meant that she would stuff more kids into Deal and Wilson

They are literally building a new high school to divert kids from Wilson.

Which they wouldn’t need to do if they filled the empty seats in under-enrolled schools by re-drawing and enforcing boundaries.

Or people WOTP who are dissatisfied with the size of the enrollment at Jackson-Reed could simply enroll their kids at one of the under-enrolled EOTP schools. That would seem to be quicker solution for those folks than redrawing boundaries.

Why would someone travel to go to schools that even the people who live in the school neighborhood refuse to go to?

Because the priority is about reducing overcrowding and not about gaming the system to get the best for their personal kid. Right?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow 50%. That’s a lot.

It’s also an exaggeration. Wilson is built for 1600 and has 2100 enrolled. 50% overenrolled would be 2400. I’m not saying the current situation is great. MacArthur is very necessary. But it’s not literally 50% overenrolled.

This trend is just not sustainable. Is there even a target date for MacArthur?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow 50%. That’s a lot.

It’s also an exaggeration. Wilson is built for 1600 and has 2100 enrolled. 50% overenrolled would be 2400. I’m not saying the current situation is great. MacArthur is very necessary. But it’s not literally 50% overenrolled.

This trend is just not sustainable. Is there even a target date for MacArthur?

Fall 2023.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I grew up in California schools that were always over capacity. It didn’t affect my education to have classes that met in a trailer.

It isn't the trailers to which they object. It is that there are blacks and poors in the main building.

No. It’s because a HS of 2200+ is too large. It’s too many kids to feel a strong sense of belonging and community, too few kids get to play on sports teams, etc etc.

The best public high schools in the DC area all have 2000+. You have no earthly idea what you are talking about.

My public high school — one of the top ranked in the country — was 1000 total.

It was a great size. Just because 2000+ may be common around here doesn’t make it ideal.

Your response is non-sensical. Of course there are schools with 1000 that are good schools. And there are great public HS that are 3000. And what is best for your kid is specific to your kid. What I took issue with (and what your response tries to gloss over) is a blanket indictment of Wilson that it is too large...period. Not too large for your kid. But too large to offer opportunities for all, etc. That's nonsense wrapped up in garbage in a bouquet of detritus.

The problem with Wilson is not that it is way too large in student size for the physical space. This affects everything, academics, behavior, lunch, etc.. in a negative way.

Exactly. A big HS is fine for most kids. A big HS crammed into a space meant for a medium sized HS is a problem. Overcrowding is the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow 50%. That’s a lot.

It’s also an exaggeration. Wilson is built for 1600 and has 2100 enrolled. 50% overenrolled would be 2400. I’m not saying the current situation is great. MacArthur is very necessary. But it’s not literally 50% overenrolled.

This trend is just not sustainable. Is there even a target date for MacArthur?

Fall 2023.

That is the dream, but having watched DC, I'm guessing the actual date will be more like Fall 2024. The MacArthur site is actually in pretty good state, but DC knows how to slow things down through a combination of incompetence, cronyism, and lack of accountability. (I'm also pretty doubtful the elementary school across the street will also ever be built)

Hardy can fill a middle school of about 800-900 (current 6th grade class is 200). The new site will have room for that. The only OOB at the new high school will be those with feeder rights from elementary school (Hardy will stop taking lottery students starting next year).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So here’s how democracy works. The primary is the whole race here. The corporate Democrat gets the votes of the Ward 3 “Democrats” and the rest of DC doesn’t turn out. The corporate Democrat gets to run the system without any accountability because nobody wants to contradict Ward 3. Mayoral control. So if you think there’s a Democrat that’ll win coming at Bowser from the left, put her up to the job. If not we’re going to get more of the same.

Now there’s the Council, but this mayoral control thing has gone to their heads. They don’t seem interested in fixing anything that involves moving Ward 3 cheese.

Sorry, but all of this seems like sophistry trying to explain away the will of the people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So here’s how democracy works. The primary is the whole race here. The corporate Democrat gets the votes of the Ward 3 “Democrats” and the rest of DC doesn’t turn out. The corporate Democrat gets to run the system without any accountability because nobody wants to contradict Ward 3. Mayoral control. So if you think there’s a Democrat that’ll win coming at Bowser from the left, put her up to the job. If not we’re going to get more of the same.

Now there’s the Council, but this mayoral control thing has gone to their heads. They don’t seem interested in fixing anything that involves moving Ward 3 cheese.

Sorry, but all of this seems like sophistry trying to explain away the will of the people.

Sounds more like real talk? PP wasn’t defending the status quo, just explaining it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow 50%. That’s a lot.

It’s also an exaggeration. Wilson is built for 1600 and has 2100 enrolled. 50% overenrolled would be 2400. I’m not saying the current situation is great. MacArthur is very necessary. But it’s not literally 50% overenrolled.

This trend is just not sustainable. Is there even a target date for MacArthur?

Fall 2023.

That is the dream, but having watched DC, I'm guessing the actual date will be more like Fall 2024. The MacArthur site is actually in pretty good state, but DC knows how to slow things down through a combination of incompetence, cronyism, and lack of accountability. (I'm also pretty doubtful the elementary school across the street will also ever be built)

Hardy can fill a middle school of about 800-900 (current 6th grade class is 200). The new site will have room for that. The only OOB at the new high school will be those with feeder rights from elementary school (Hardy will stop taking lottery students starting next year).

+1. No permitting or design contracts issued yet (as far as we can tell). The site needs extensive work to be turned into a high school and brought up to DCPS standards for the physical plant. This is before any further renovation/construction for expansion. If the school is to open in Fall 23 and have a significant number of lottery slots (we've heard 30-50%), then most decisions have to be made (including staffing, course offerings etc) by Spring '23 in time for the MySchoolDC lottery. That is 10 months away! Besides, the WaPo article quoted Fall 24 as the opening year even though the Ferrebee announcement (which was drafted over a year ago) optimistically stated Fall 23. My guess is that the current 6th graders at Hardy would be the first cohort.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow 50%. That’s a lot.

It’s also an exaggeration. Wilson is built for 1600 and has 2100 enrolled. 50% overenrolled would be 2400. I’m not saying the current situation is great. MacArthur is very necessary. But it’s not literally 50% overenrolled.

This trend is just not sustainable. Is there even a target date for MacArthur?

Fall 2023.

That is the dream, but having watched DC, I'm guessing the actual date will be more like Fall 2024. The MacArthur site is actually in pretty good state, but DC knows how to slow things down through a combination of incompetence, cronyism, and lack of accountability. (I'm also pretty doubtful the elementary school across the street will also ever be built)

Hardy can fill a middle school of about 800-900 (current 6th grade class is 200). The new site will have room for that. The only OOB at the new high school will be those with feeder rights from elementary school (Hardy will stop taking lottery students starting next year).

+1. No permitting or design contracts issued yet (as far as we can tell). The site needs extensive work to be turned into a high school and brought up to DCPS standards for the physical plant. This is before any further renovation/construction for expansion. If the school is to open in Fall 23 and have a significant number of lottery slots (we've heard 30-50%), then most decisions have to be made (including staffing, course offerings etc) by Spring '23 in time for the MySchoolDC lottery. That is 10 months away! Besides, the WaPo article quoted Fall 24 as the opening year even though the Ferrebee announcement (which was drafted over a year ago) optimistically stated Fall 23. My guess is that the current 6th graders at Hardy would be the first cohort.

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DCPS has admitted the 30-50% was pretty much a lie. Basically it will be (like wilson/deal) an almost 100% hardy feed-in. There will be OOB, but only through the feeders (at the ES level as hardy isn't taking lottery students either).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow 50%. That’s a lot.

It’s also an exaggeration. Wilson is built for 1600 and has 2100 enrolled. 50% overenrolled would be 2400. I’m not saying the current situation is great. MacArthur is very necessary. But it’s not literally 50% overenrolled.

This trend is just not sustainable. Is there even a target date for MacArthur?

Fall 2023.

That is the dream, but having watched DC, I'm guessing the actual date will be more like Fall 2024. The MacArthur site is actually in pretty good state, but DC knows how to slow things down through a combination of incompetence, cronyism, and lack of accountability. (I'm also pretty doubtful the elementary school across the street will also ever be built)

Hardy can fill a middle school of about 800-900 (current 6th grade class is 200). The new site will have room for that. The only OOB at the new high school will be those with feeder rights from elementary school (Hardy will stop taking lottery students starting next year).

+1. No permitting or design contracts issued yet (as far as we can tell). The site needs extensive work to be turned into a high school and brought up to DCPS standards for the physical plant. This is before any further renovation/construction for expansion. If the school is to open in Fall 23 and have a significant number of lottery slots (we've heard 30-50%), then most decisions have to be made (including staffing, course offerings etc) by Spring '23 in time for the MySchoolDC lottery. That is 10 months away! Besides, the WaPo article quoted Fall 24 as the opening year even though the Ferrebee announcement (which was drafted over a year ago) optimistically stated Fall 23. My guess is that the current 6th graders at Hardy would be the first cohort.

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DCPS has admitted the 30-50% was pretty much a lie. Basically it will be (like wilson/deal) an almost 100% hardy feed-in. There will be OOB, but only through the feeders (at the ES level as hardy isn't taking lottery students either).

In the initial announcements Ferebee and Bowser were saying that half the seats would be "set aside" for OOB. I think someone had to pull them aside and explain that's not how DCPS works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow 50%. That’s a lot.

It’s also an exaggeration. Wilson is built for 1600 and has 2100 enrolled. 50% overenrolled would be 2400. I’m not saying the current situation is great. MacArthur is very necessary. But it’s not literally 50% overenrolled.

This trend is just not sustainable. Is there even a target date for MacArthur?

Fall 2023.

That is the dream, but having watched DC, I'm guessing the actual date will be more like Fall 2024. The MacArthur site is actually in pretty good state, but DC knows how to slow things down through a combination of incompetence, cronyism, and lack of accountability. (I'm also pretty doubtful the elementary school across the street will also ever be built)

Hardy can fill a middle school of about 800-900 (current 6th grade class is 200). The new site will have room for that. The only OOB at the new high school will be those with feeder rights from elementary school (Hardy will stop taking lottery students starting next year).

+1. No permitting or design contracts issued yet (as far as we can tell). The site needs extensive work to be turned into a high school and brought up to DCPS standards for the physical plant. This is before any further renovation/construction for expansion. If the school is to open in Fall 23 and have a significant number of lottery slots (we've heard 30-50%), then most decisions have to be made (including staffing, course offerings etc) by Spring '23 in time for the MySchoolDC lottery. That is 10 months away! Besides, the WaPo article quoted Fall 24 as the opening year even though the Ferrebee announcement (which was drafted over a year ago) optimistically stated Fall 23. My guess is that the current 6th graders at Hardy would be the first cohort.

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DCPS has admitted the 30-50% was pretty much a lie. Basically it will be (like wilson/deal) an almost 100% hardy feed-in. There will be OOB, but only through the feeders (at the ES level as hardy isn't taking lottery students either).

In the initial announcements Ferebee and Bowser were saying that half the seats would be "set aside" for OOB. I think someone had to pull them aside and explain that's not how DCPS works.

They could easily set aside at risk seats if that is their intent. If so that is just egregious with how much overcrowding there is at Wilson.