CES letters?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:75 percentile for MAP-R does seem a bit wide, but I do think that so many more-advantaged parents are prepping their children, which puts the students whose parents are unlikely are unable to prep their children (lower SES, some ethnic groups) at a big disadvantage. So I do think the wider allowance sounds fine.

You mean some students work hard and seek guidance from parents and teacher while others spend time on video games? And now complain that they are at a disadvantage?

Sure, but why should being lazy penalize some kids while being industrious advantages others? The need to ensure that less hardworking and academically disinclined kids aren't disadvantaged!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m waiting to see. My kids have no clue what CES is. Our principal tried to reassure parents, saying each school offers the same advancement opportunities as CES. I doubt this is true.

I know from posting on this board that my DC's non-CES ELC class is doing the same unit as the CES. DC's ES also has compacted math, and it is pretty much the same cohort of students. Plenty of challenge and good teaching.

CES doesn’t offer any enrichment or acceleration in math (that’s separate). The ELC is similar if not identical, so if your school offers ELC, the principal is at least close to correct. Those of us at schools without ELC are the ones who really “need” CES.

I also thought that CES and math enrichment would be separate. But it turns out my child’s entire CES class is doing compacted math. Even though our family got a letter from our home school last year —before CES acceptance off waitlist— saying our student was identified for grade-level math, not compacted. Maybe it is different at each CES.

It is different by CES. At some of the higher performing regional CESes they put everyone in compacted math but each year there may be 1 child that ops out. You can ask to have your child moved down. But they would then have to be humiliated by leaving their regular CES class for math. I remember this happening at DC's CES and it was difficult for those kids who wanted the regular grade level math because the math was not only compacted but enriched.

Since compacted isn't linked to the CES, even the CES kids are sent to compacted math classes with different teachers. This means a kid wouldn't be singled out if they were in a different class since most kids are sent to different classes with a majority of kids who aren't even in the CES.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m waiting to see. My kids have no clue what CES is. Our principal tried to reassure parents, saying each school offers the same advancement opportunities as CES. I doubt this is true.

I know from posting on this board that my DC's non-CES ELC class is doing the same unit as the CES. DC's ES also has compacted math, and it is pretty much the same cohort of students. Plenty of challenge and good teaching.

CES doesn’t offer any enrichment or acceleration in math (that’s separate). The ELC is similar if not identical, so if your school offers ELC, the principal is at least close to correct. Those of us at schools without ELC are the ones who really “need” CES.

I also thought that CES and math enrichment would be separate. But it turns out my child’s entire CES class is doing compacted math. Even though our family got a letter from our home school last year —before CES acceptance off waitlist— saying our student was identified for grade-level math, not compacted. Maybe it is different at each CES.

It is different by CES. At some of the higher performing regional CESes they put everyone in compacted math but each year there may be 1 child that ops out. You can ask to have your child moved down. But they would then have to be humiliated by leaving their regular CES class for math. I remember this happening at DC's CES and it was difficult for those kids who wanted the regular grade level math because the math was not only compacted but enriched.

Since compacted isn't linked to the CES, even the CES kids are sent to compacted math classes with different teachers. This means a kid wouldn't be singled out if they were in a different class since most kids are sent to different classes with a majority of kids who aren't even in the CES.

This year, the kids are all with the same teacher, all day long. Everyone is in compacted math. Maybe with the easing in covid rules, they'll go back to switching throughout the day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m waiting to see. My kids have no clue what CES is. Our principal tried to reassure parents, saying each school offers the same advancement opportunities as CES. I doubt this is true.

I know from posting on this board that my DC's non-CES ELC class is doing the same unit as the CES. DC's ES also has compacted math, and it is pretty much the same cohort of students. Plenty of challenge and good teaching.

CES doesn’t offer any enrichment or acceleration in math (that’s separate). The ELC is similar if not identical, so if your school offers ELC, the principal is at least close to correct. Those of us at schools without ELC are the ones who really “need” CES.

I also thought that CES and math enrichment would be separate. But it turns out my child’s entire CES class is doing compacted math. Even though our family got a letter from our home school last year —before CES acceptance off waitlist— saying our student was identified for grade-level math, not compacted. Maybe it is different at each CES.

It is different by CES. At some of the higher performing regional CESes they put everyone in compacted math but each year there may be 1 child that ops out. You can ask to have your child moved down. But they would then have to be humiliated by leaving their regular CES class for math. I remember this happening at DC's CES and it was difficult for those kids who wanted the regular grade level math because the math was not only compacted but enriched.

Since compacted isn't linked to the CES, even the CES kids are sent to compacted math classes with different teachers. This means a kid wouldn't be singled out if they were in a different class since most kids are sent to different classes with a majority of kids who aren't even in the CES.

This year, the kids are all with the same teacher, all day long. Everyone is in compacted math. Maybe with the easing in covid rules, they'll go back to switching throughout the day.

Before the pandemic at the CES DC attended they switched teachers for math but it was still a CES only class. The kids noticed when one child went down the hall to a different class. It always baffles me how some posters think there's only one universal way things are done based on their experience. Not talking about previous PP but the one before that saying compacted math isn't linked to the CES. It was at this particular school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just looked at my USPS Informed Delivery email this morning, and there's a tear-the-edges letter to The Parents/Guardians of Larla Larlason, so I assume that will be it.

I don't see it in Parentvue-- I'd assume it would pop up on login or be in Documents?-- so PP who said they'd send it by mail and it wouldn't end up in Parentvue for another few weeks or w/e may be right.

Nothing in Parentvue.

Do you think you get a letter either way - or just if you get in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m waiting to see. My kids have no clue what CES is. Our principal tried to reassure parents, saying each school offers the same advancement opportunities as CES. I doubt this is true.

I know from posting on this board that my DC's non-CES ELC class is doing the same unit as the CES. DC's ES also has compacted math, and it is pretty much the same cohort of students. Plenty of challenge and good teaching.

CES doesn’t offer any enrichment or acceleration in math (that’s separate). The ELC is similar if not identical, so if your school offers ELC, the principal is at least close to correct. Those of us at schools without ELC are the ones who really “need” CES.

I also thought that CES and math enrichment would be separate. But it turns out my child’s entire CES class is doing compacted math. Even though our family got a letter from our home school last year —before CES acceptance off waitlist— saying our student was identified for grade-level math, not compacted. Maybe it is different at each CES.

It is different by CES. At some of the higher performing regional CESes they put everyone in compacted math but each year there may be 1 child that ops out. You can ask to have your child moved down. But they would then have to be humiliated by leaving their regular CES class for math. I remember this happening at DC's CES and it was difficult for those kids who wanted the regular grade level math because the math was not only compacted but enriched.

Since compacted isn't linked to the CES, even the CES kids are sent to compacted math classes with different teachers. This means a kid wouldn't be singled out if they were in a different class since most kids are sent to different classes with a majority of kids who aren't even in the CES.

This year, the kids are all with the same teacher, all day long. Everyone is in compacted math. Maybe with the easing in covid rules, they'll go back to switching throughout the day.

Our school intentionally did this the opposite to ensure the CES were better integrated into the larger school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m waiting to see. My kids have no clue what CES is. Our principal tried to reassure parents, saying each school offers the same advancement opportunities as CES. I doubt this is true.

I know from posting on this board that my DC's non-CES ELC class is doing the same unit as the CES. DC's ES also has compacted math, and it is pretty much the same cohort of students. Plenty of challenge and good teaching.

CES doesn’t offer any enrichment or acceleration in math (that’s separate). The ELC is similar if not identical, so if your school offers ELC, the principal is at least close to correct. Those of us at schools without ELC are the ones who really “need” CES.

I also thought that CES and math enrichment would be separate. But it turns out my child’s entire CES class is doing compacted math. Even though our family got a letter from our home school last year —before CES acceptance off waitlist— saying our student was identified for grade-level math, not compacted. Maybe it is different at each CES.

It is different by CES. At some of the higher performing regional CESes they put everyone in compacted math but each year there may be 1 child that ops out. You can ask to have your child moved down. But they would then have to be humiliated by leaving their regular CES class for math. I remember this happening at DC's CES and it was difficult for those kids who wanted the regular grade level math because the math was not only compacted but enriched.

Since compacted isn't linked to the CES, even the CES kids are sent to compacted math classes with different teachers. This means a kid wouldn't be singled out if they were in a different class since most kids are sent to different classes with a majority of kids who aren't even in the CES.

This year, the kids are all with the same teacher, all day long. Everyone is in compacted math. Maybe with the easing in covid rules, they'll go back to switching throughout the day.

Before the pandemic at the CES DC attended they switched teachers for math but it was still a CES only class. The kids noticed when one child went down the hall to a different class. It always baffles me how some posters think there's only one universal way things are done based on their experience. Not talking about previous PP but the one before that saying compacted math isn't linked to the CES. It was at this particular school.

At our CES the kids were sent to 1 of 3 different compacted classes. If there were kids not in compacted nobody noticed.

[Anonymous]

Where do you get enrichment if my kid is not selected for CES?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where do you get enrichment if my kid is not selected for CES?

At your home school. If your school has the ELC curriculum, your kid will get an ELA curriculum that is pretty close to the CES curriculum. If not, it's up to the school and the teachers to provide enrichment via benchmark advanced (which I personally think is lousy). Math is a different story - CES doesn't offer Math enrichment opportunities that are different from those at other elementary schools. Your kid should have the opportunity to take compacted math starting in 4th grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just looked at my USPS Informed Delivery email this morning, and there's a tear-the-edges letter to The Parents/Guardians of Larla Larlason, so I assume that will be it.

I don't see it in Parentvue-- I'd assume it would pop up on login or be in Documents?-- so PP who said they'd send it by mail and it wouldn't end up in Parentvue for another few weeks or w/e may be right.

Nothing in Parentvue.

Do you think you get a letter either way - or just if you get in?

I'm the PP you're responding to, and I know from reading past discussions that you at least get a letter if your kid was/is in the pool (even if your kid was not selected randomly to receive an offer). However, even searching the board just now, I have no idea if everyone receives a letter. As in, every 3rd grader gets a letter, that says either:

-Not in pool
-In pool, not selected
-In pool, selected

I don't think the above is true, though.

I couldn't find any info on this either way-- which is to say, I saw no one ever commenting (at least since they started with this process last year) "I got our letter today, and my kid was not in the pool." Intuitively, I can infer that is more likely to mean that:

1) You only get a letter if your kid was put in the pool.
2) That letter says that your kid was selected from the pool, or not selected.

If I'm correct, then that means you can get a letter without an offer. This makes sense anyway, just to inform people, and also because your kid is automatically in the wait pool if they aren't selected, so you should be aware of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just looked at my USPS Informed Delivery email this morning, and there's a tear-the-edges letter to The Parents/Guardians of Larla Larlason, so I assume that will be it.

I don't see it in Parentvue-- I'd assume it would pop up on login or be in Documents?-- so PP who said they'd send it by mail and it wouldn't end up in Parentvue for another few weeks or w/e may be right.

Nothing in Parentvue.

Do you think you get a letter either way - or just if you get in?

I'm the PP you're responding to, and I know from reading past discussions that you at least get a letter if your kid was/is in the pool (even if your kid was not selected randomly to receive an offer). However, even searching the board just now, I have no idea if everyone receives a letter. As in, every 3rd grader gets a letter, that says either:

-Not in pool
-In pool, not selected
-In pool, selected

I don't think the above is true, though.

I couldn't find any info on this either way-- which is to say, I saw no one ever commenting (at least since they started with this process last year) "I got our letter today, and my kid was not in the pool." Intuitively, I can infer that is more likely to mean that:

1) You only get a letter if your kid was put in the pool.
2) That letter says that your kid was selected from the pool, or not selected.

If I'm correct, then that means you can get a letter without an offer. This makes sense anyway, just to inform people, and also because your kid is automatically in the wait pool if they aren't selected, so you should be aware of that.

Sorry that was unnecessarily complicated and too much thinking "out loud."

Bottom line, my best guess is:

1) You only get a letter if your kid was put in the pool.
2) That letter may say either that your kid was selected from the pool, or not selected, and therefore in the wait pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just looked at my USPS Informed Delivery email this morning, and there's a tear-the-edges letter to The Parents/Guardians of Larla Larlason, so I assume that will be it.

I don't see it in Parentvue-- I'd assume it would pop up on login or be in Documents?-- so PP who said they'd send it by mail and it wouldn't end up in Parentvue for another few weeks or w/e may be right.

Nothing in Parentvue.

Do you think you get a letter either way - or just if you get in?

I'm the PP you're responding to, and I know from reading past discussions that you at least get a letter if your kid was/is in the pool (even if your kid was not selected randomly to receive an offer). However, even searching the board just now, I have no idea if everyone receives a letter. As in, every 3rd grader gets a letter, that says either:

-Not in pool
-In pool, not selected
-In pool, selected

I don't think the above is true, though.

I couldn't find any info on this either way-- which is to say, I saw no one ever commenting (at least since they started with this process last year) "I got our letter today, and my kid was not in the pool." Intuitively, I can infer that is more likely to mean that:

1) You only get a letter if your kid was put in the pool.
2) That letter says that your kid was selected from the pool, or not selected.

If I'm correct, then that means you can get a letter without an offer. This makes sense anyway, just to inform people, and also because your kid is automatically in the wait pool if they aren't selected, so you should be aware of that.

Sorry that was unnecessarily complicated and too much thinking "out loud."

Bottom line, my best guess is:

1) You only get a letter if your kid was put in the pool.
2) That letter may say either that your kid was selected from the pool, or not selected, and therefore in the wait pool.

For what it's worth, the 2021-2022 FAQs state that "All Grade 3 families will receive letters the week of March 28, 2022, communicating the results of the central review and the lottery" so I would think that everyone gets a letter and the letter will tell everyone whether their student was in the pool and, if in the pool, whether they won the lottery. But this is MCPS after all, so who knows whether they will actually follow their own FAQs.

(https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/specialprograms/elementary/highly-gifted-centers.aspx#:~:text=CES%20Program%20Description,%2C%20science%2C%20and%20social%20studies

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just looked at my USPS Informed Delivery email this morning, and there's a tear-the-edges letter to The Parents/Guardians of Larla Larlason, so I assume that will be it.

I don't see it in Parentvue-- I'd assume it would pop up on login or be in Documents?-- so PP who said they'd send it by mail and it wouldn't end up in Parentvue for another few weeks or w/e may be right.

Nothing in Parentvue.

Do you think you get a letter either way - or just if you get in?

I'm the PP you're responding to, and I know from reading past discussions that you at least get a letter if your kid was/is in the pool (even if your kid was not selected randomly to receive an offer). However, even searching the board just now, I have no idea if everyone receives a letter. As in, every 3rd grader gets a letter, that says either:

-Not in pool
-In pool, not selected
-In pool, selected

I don't think the above is true, though.

I couldn't find any info on this either way-- which is to say, I saw no one ever commenting (at least since they started with this process last year) "I got our letter today, and my kid was not in the pool." Intuitively, I can infer that is more likely to mean that:

1) You only get a letter if your kid was put in the pool.
2) That letter says that your kid was selected from the pool, or not selected.

If I'm correct, then that means you can get a letter without an offer. This makes sense anyway, just to inform people, and also because your kid is automatically in the wait pool if they aren't selected, so you should be aware of that.

Sorry that was unnecessarily complicated and too much thinking "out loud."

Bottom line, my best guess is:

1) You only get a letter if your kid was put in the pool.
2) That letter may say either that your kid was selected from the pool, or not selected, and therefore in the wait pool.

THANKS. I know my kid was in the pool (230 MAP) but never received any sort of notification to that effect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just looked at my USPS Informed Delivery email this morning, and there's a tear-the-edges letter to The Parents/Guardians of Larla Larlason, so I assume that will be it.

I don't see it in Parentvue-- I'd assume it would pop up on login or be in Documents?-- so PP who said they'd send it by mail and it wouldn't end up in Parentvue for another few weeks or w/e may be right.

Nothing in Parentvue.

Do you think you get a letter either way - or just if you get in?

I'm the PP you're responding to, and I know from reading past discussions that you at least get a letter if your kid was/is in the pool (even if your kid was not selected randomly to receive an offer). However, even searching the board just now, I have no idea if everyone receives a letter. As in, every 3rd grader gets a letter, that says either:

-Not in pool
-In pool, not selected
-In pool, selected

I don't think the above is true, though.

I couldn't find any info on this either way-- which is to say, I saw no one ever commenting (at least since they started with this process last year) "I got our letter today, and my kid was not in the pool." Intuitively, I can infer that is more likely to mean that:

1) You only get a letter if your kid was put in the pool.
2) That letter says that your kid was selected from the pool, or not selected.

If I'm correct, then that means you can get a letter without an offer. This makes sense anyway, just to inform people, and also because your kid is automatically in the wait pool if they aren't selected, so you should be aware of that.

Sorry that was unnecessarily complicated and too much thinking "out loud."

Bottom line, my best guess is:

1) You only get a letter if your kid was put in the pool.
2) That letter may say either that your kid was selected from the pool, or not selected, and therefore in the wait pool.

For what it's worth, the 2021-2022 FAQs state that "All Grade 3 families will receive letters the week of March 28, 2022, communicating the results of the central review and the lottery" so I would think that everyone gets a letter and the letter will tell everyone whether their student was in the pool and, if in the pool, whether they won the lottery. But this is MCPS after all, so who knows whether they will actually follow their own FAQs.

(https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/specialprograms/elementary/highly-gifted-centers.aspx#:~:text=CES%20Program%20Description,%2C%20science%2C%20and%20social%20studies

Everyone will get a letter because those not in the pool have the right to appeal the decision. MCPS has an entire appeals process.

[Anonymous]

I think all will get the letter. I saw a tear envelope from MCPS in my informed delivery too.