Kids who bombed the SAT - getting good college results

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is so stupid to say that lower scores equate to a less intelligent person. There are many reasons why one person may be just as smart as the person sitting next to them but have a lower score. I am not going to try argue on this board because people here just do not buy it.

My DS is into a top school with a score that was below the median score and an extremely high public school GPA. He has a 4.0 now in college. No he is not a STEM major but he has also not had group projects referenced here.

For those of you who have kids who were shut out by kids like mine and yet say, oh the school made a huge mistake letting that "less qualified" kid in, i say these schools know what they are doing and are trying to make a balanced but diverse class of students.

Your first paragraph can also be said for lower grades though, which is why colleges do not just rely on these relatively meaningless numbers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, can someone please explain how this makes any sense?

I know plenty of kids in this admissions cycle who have low (think, 1100) SATs but have high GPAs (4.0 range) from big public schools that grade inflate. These kids are going test optional and are getting into colleges that would normally be out of reach when SATs were required. This year, they get to hide their low SAT from the colleges.

On the other hand, I know plenty of kids at private schools that grade-deflate but who have strong grades (taking that grade deflation into account, say 3.8) and sky high SATs who are being deferred and rejected from safeties. In the past, the high SATs balanced out the grade deflation, but this year it seems meaningless because schools are filling spots with kids who didn't show an SAT.

This system is a joke but it is also very damaging. There under qualified kids who are making tic toc videos mocking the system. On the other hand, you have high achieving students who've worked their a$# off and who are getting shut out. Makes no sense.

Just stop. What evidence (besides comments on DCUM) do you have that public schools inflate grades and private schools deflate grades?

Yeah, this doesn't sound right. I bet OP doesn't have as much detail as they imply they do. We also don't know which colleges OP is talking about. Their idea of what's possible may be totally out of whack with reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the Covid cheating is a major issue.

MANY kids did not cheat <------disclaimer in case this is your kid.

But many did. I know mine did. He did math in a group. He googled homework answers. I am not dumb. His friends all did it.
Their GPAs are really inflated. There are hundreds like him.

This is why colleges should prefer the B students this year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most parents have no idea that their kids are cheating. My son and friends were sharing answers all last year. I only found out it late spring because we had some paining done and he had to share an office with me. The other parents had NO idea. I just had a conversation about this with them (my friends) a year later (assuming they knew what was going on) and they were dumbfounded. This is 5-6 other moms. Unless you're hovering over your kid's shoulder etc you really don't know.

But what will he do when he can't get the answers from someone else and has to have learning skills in place to succeed on his own? What is the point?

Well, 1/2 of sophomore year and all of junior year were online and prime for cheating. That's all the kids think of. many I know are taking an easier course load this year. The important years for admissions were locked in as straights As.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Test optional does help less competitive students. Friend's FCPS son with a few Cs and 1200 SAT got into Penn State with test optional. Not STEM major though.  

That sounds like the exact right fit. What's your point?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Covid cheating is a major issue.

MANY kids did not cheat <------disclaimer in case this is your kid.

But many did. I know mine did. He did math in a group. He googled homework answers. I am not dumb. His friends all did it.
Their GPAs are really inflated. There are hundreds like him.

This is why colleges should prefer the B students this year.

Exactly! I have a non-cheating B-B+ student with what OP calls low, but I'll call average, SAT score at a very rigorous DC private. Just a junior, but I am dreading the process.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most parents have no idea that their kids are cheating. My son and friends were sharing answers all last year. I only found out it late spring because we had some paining done and he had to share an office with me. The other parents had NO idea. I just had a conversation about this with them (my friends) a year later (assuming they knew what was going on) and they were dumbfounded. This is 5-6 other moms. Unless you're hovering over your kid's shoulder etc you really don't know.

But what will he do when he can't get the answers from someone else and has to have learning skills in place to succeed on his own? What is the point?

Well, 1/2 of sophomore year and all of junior year were online and prime for cheating. That's all the kids think of. many I know are taking an easier course load this year. The important years for admissions were locked in as straights As.

Ummmm...they do realize that the point of admission to actually go to the college? What is the plan then?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most parents have no idea that their kids are cheating. My son and friends were sharing answers all last year. I only found out it late spring because we had some paining done and he had to share an office with me. The other parents had NO idea. I just had a conversation about this with them (my friends) a year later (assuming they knew what was going on) and they were dumbfounded. This is 5-6 other moms. Unless you're hovering over your kid's shoulder etc you really don't know.

But what will he do when he can't get the answers from someone else and has to have learning skills in place to succeed on his own? What is the point?

Well, 1/2 of sophomore year and all of junior year were online and prime for cheating. That's all the kids think of. many I know are taking an easier course load this year. The important years for admissions were locked in as straights As.

Ummmm...they do realize that the point of admission to actually go to the college? What is the plan then?

They'll still find a way to cheat.
And then go on to med school or something equally important--don't you want someone who cheated in high school/college/med school performing your loved one's important surgery?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most parents have no idea that their kids are cheating. My son and friends were sharing answers all last year. I only found out it late spring because we had some paining done and he had to share an office with me. The other parents had NO idea. I just had a conversation about this with them (my friends) a year later (assuming they knew what was going on) and they were dumbfounded. This is 5-6 other moms. Unless you're hovering over your kid's shoulder etc you really don't know.

But what will he do when he can't get the answers from someone else and has to have learning skills in place to succeed on his own? What is the point?

Well, 1/2 of sophomore year and all of junior year were online and prime for cheating. That's all the kids think of. many I know are taking an easier course load this year. The important years for admissions were locked in as straights As.

Ummmm...they do realize that the point of admission to actually go to the college? What is the plan then?

They'll still find a way to cheat.
And then go on to med school or something equally important--don't you want someone who cheated in high school/college/med school performing your loved one's important surgery?

Stupid. For all that nonsense they could actually just learn something.

[Anonymous]

I kind of agree with this. My kid did not submit SAT scores last year, wasn’t even able to take them because of Covid, had a fairly good GPA but not outstanding and got into a lot of amazing schools that I don’t think either of us expected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"I am careful. I know my kids. They have their fair share of warts. This is not one. You do not know them, so do not comment on what you do not know. Also, stop deflecting, it just adds to the notion that you are somehow defending this. A lot of kids have integrity and don't cheat. Stop legitimizing cheating."

Please point out where PP attempted to legitimize cheating. And provide an example of PP deflecting. Or else just stop trying to pick a fight.

I did. In trying to make it about my kids (who don't cheat), PP (you?) was deflecting away from legitimizing her kids doing it. Saying that everyone does it and that she understands is legitimizing it.

[Anonymous]

Those kids with inflated grades won't last very long in college without retakes, deadlines with late penalties, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most parents have no idea that their kids are cheating. My son and friends were sharing answers all last year. I only found out it late spring because we had some paining done and he had to share an office with me. The other parents had NO idea. I just had a conversation about this with them (my friends) a year later (assuming they knew what was going on) and they were dumbfounded. This is 5-6 other moms. Unless you're hovering over your kid's shoulder etc you really don't know.

Is this type of sharing in reference to homework assignments or tests? Because as far as I can tell at my kid's school, it's perfectly fine to work together with friends on homework. (not to just copy one person's answers, but to work together to solve problems). They are always told to have a peer review essays and most math and science teachers tell them to talk with their friends for help on homework before coming to the teacher.

It is only on tests and other assessments that they are not allowed to discuss with classmates, from what I have seen. When they were virtual most tests were open book and they had to have cameras on. I'm just curious as to what other people are calling cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those kids with inflated grades won't last very long in college without retakes, deadlines with late penalties, etc.

The point of college is to get an education. Cheating does absolutely zero to assist with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I kind of agree with this. My kid did not submit SAT scores last year, wasn’t even able to take them because of Covid, had a fairly good GPA but not outstanding and got into a lot of amazing schools that I don’t think either of us expected.

Last year (high school class of 2021) was very different. Those kids legitimately did not have adequate opportunity to prepare for/take the ACT/SAT.
This year's class (2022) had PLENTY of time and opportunity. I say that as someone who has a class of 2022 kid. There is absolutely no excuse for not having a score this year.