Vanderpump Rules

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am no fan of cheating or Tom Sandoval but I do think there is more to the story in his relationship with Ariana. She did have a little fling with Lala in the backseat of a car that Sandoval didn't seem thrilled about. And while Ariana is playing the doting girlfriend now she has berated him and seemed annoyed with him all season. I think the relationship may have been for show. I also cannot get behind the support of Katie. She is a grade A mean girl and is now acting shocked by Raquel's behavior. Puh-leeze.

OK, so Ariana and Sandoval didn’t have a great relationship, and she was responsible for her part in that. THAT SAID, you have two justifiable options when a relationship is breaking down:
1) Work on it and do your best to improve it
2) WALK AWAY. Break up. Own your decision and follow through. Get family, friends and resources in place to support both parties if needed, but make a clean break and be clear about your intentions going forward.

Notice that “f**k your girlfriend’s best friend behind her back, lie about it, and then blame her for not catching you” is not a justifiable option.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Finding out someone cheated with an anonymous woman is different than watching them all interact the whole time the affair was going on. Knowing that, and replaying Raquel's relationship with Ariana is appalling.

I would imagine that is how a wronged wife feels, but no one else usually sees all of the small stabs of the dagger that she experienced in retrospect.

Tom & Raquel's deception was on display for all of the world to see.

Tom and Ariana publicly screamed at the woman who truthfully said she slept with Tom, while on tv for the world to see. Imagine this person looking like a desperate clinger on and a liar - when the entire time tom and Ariana knew she was telling the truth. Keeping themselves unsullied was all that mattered.

She cheated with Tom when he was living with another woman.

Clearly Raquel was in the wrong, but Ariana is no innocent. She knew what he was when she picked him up.

I agree BUT Ariana and Tom kissed once (if they're to be believed). Tom and Raquel carried on a months' long affair and slept together multiple times.

I am convinced Ariana and Tom did not "just kiss once" for 3 reasons:
1.) A kiss is barely defined as cheating in this universe
2.) Tom used the "Just kissed" excuse with Raquel too saying that's all that happened after the Mondrian. (may have been Bravo editing) Then later admits it was more. But think he started with this tactic because it worked with Ariana and there was little backlash
3.) Ariana reveals that Tom coaches people - "get your lies right, get your story right, get your spin right." She's clearly been coached on the value of spin before and acknowledges she did it with Miami girl. She most likely did it in talking about how their relationship started too.

As Andy points out, the amount of outrage from this group when they have all betrayed each other in the past, is kind of head-scratching.

Although I can see how Ariana is enraged from the public humiliation of defending both Tom and Raquel's characters repeatedly in the season.

[Anonymous]

Katie is a bitter old shrew. She is so unlikeable and has such negative energy about her.

[Anonymous]

I'm no fan of Sandoval, in fact I didn't like him even before scandoval. But why is everyone forgetting Ariana and Sandoval cheated on Kristen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm no fan of Sandoval, in fact I didn't like him even before scandoval. But why is everyone forgetting Ariana and Sandoval cheated on Kristen?

In the words of Lala, she “wasn’t [Kristen’s] best friend, ho!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Katie is a bitter old shrew. She is so unlikeable and has such negative energy about her.

+1 - I noticed when Andy was welcoming everyone he had nothing to say to her except "good to see you." Everyone else he commented on something going on in their lives. She brings nothing to the storyline except being a negative, mean girl. AND she can't dress for her body type.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm no fan of Sandoval, in fact I didn't like him even before scandoval. But why is everyone forgetting Ariana and Sandoval cheated on Kristen?

In the words of Lala, she “wasn’t [Kristen’s] best friend, ho!”

Eh- still cheating. James acts like he’s a moral compass now. Um, no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Finding out someone cheated with an anonymous woman is different than watching them all interact the whole time the affair was going on. Knowing that, and replaying Raquel's relationship with Ariana is appalling.

I would imagine that is how a wronged wife feels, but no one else usually sees all of the small stabs of the dagger that she experienced in retrospect.

Tom & Raquel's deception was on display for all of the world to see.

Tom and Ariana publicly screamed at the woman who truthfully said she slept with Tom, while on tv for the world to see. Imagine this person looking like a desperate clinger on and a liar - when the entire time tom and Ariana knew she was telling the truth. Keeping themselves unsullied was all that mattered.

She cheated with Tom when he was living with another woman.

Clearly Raquel was in the wrong, but Ariana is no innocent. She knew what he was when she picked him up.

I agree BUT Ariana and Tom kissed once (if they're to be believed). Tom and Raquel carried on a months' long affair and slept together multiple times.

I am convinced Ariana and Tom did not "just kiss once" for 3 reasons:
1.) A kiss is barely defined as cheating in this universe
2.) Tom used the "Just kissed" excuse with Raquel too saying that's all that happened after the Mondrian. (may have been Bravo editing) Then later admits it was more. But think he started with this tactic because it worked with Ariana and there was little backlash
3.) Ariana reveals that Tom coaches people - "get your lies right, get your story right, get your spin right." She's clearly been coached on the value of spin before and acknowledges she did it with Miami girl. She most likely did it in talking about how their relationship started too.

As Andy points out, the amount of outrage from this group when they have all betrayed each other in the past, is kind of head-scratching.

Although I can see how Ariana is enraged from the public humiliation of defending both Tom and Raquel's characters repeatedly in the season.

I think the difference is the length of time over which this took place. Kristen and Jax slept together twice.

Also the depth of the supposed feelings. Again, Kristen and Jax basically hated each other afterwards, so it's not like they did it with love (which, one could argue, is actually worse?).

Finally, the stakes were bigger. Tom and Ariana owned a house together and had been together for over nine years. She was even having him fertilize her eggs (even if she was never going to be able to use them).

Now Katie I think WAY overreacted to Tom and Raquel kissing, but she's an annoying drama queen anyway so that wasn't surprising.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Katie is a bitter old shrew. She is so unlikeable and has such negative energy about her.

+1 - I noticed when Andy was welcoming everyone he had nothing to say to her except "good to see you." Everyone else he commented on something going on in their lives. She brings nothing to the storyline except being a negative, mean girl. AND she can't dress for her body type.

She's generally always been pretty nasty. I went back a few weeks ago and started re-watching the whole series from the beginning, and while she's cuter and more innocent looking in Season 1, even then does she say and do nasty things. She strikes me as a deeply unhappy person. You'd think getting away from Schwartz would have helped but NOPE!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Katie is a bitter old shrew. She is so unlikeable and has such negative energy about her.

Why is Katie even on the show she brings nothing to the table. Nothing. Boring!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm no fan of Sandoval, in fact I didn't like him even before scandoval. But why is everyone forgetting Ariana and Sandoval cheated on Kristen?

In the words of Lala, she “wasn’t [Kristen’s] best friend, ho!”

New lala is awesome hahahaha!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Katie is a bitter old shrew. She is so unlikeable and has such negative energy about her.

+1 - I noticed when Andy was welcoming everyone he had nothing to say to her except "good to see you." Everyone else he commented on something going on in their lives. She brings nothing to the storyline except being a negative, mean girl. AND she can't dress for her body type.

She's generally always been pretty nasty. I went back a few weeks ago and started re-watching the whole series from the beginning, and while she's cuter and more innocent looking in Season 1, even then does she say and do nasty things. She strikes me as a deeply unhappy person. You'd think getting away from Schwartz would have helped but NOPE!

Yes it’s interesting that everyone wants to re-write history that Schwartz did nothing but emotionally abuse Katie. Please. Watch the show and Katie’s tirades against Tom and anyone else in her path. Katie is abusive.