HB Woodlawn -- High School Only

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Anonymous wrote:What's up with all the jealousy and anger against HB? From what I see, there's basically no difference between HB, Yorktown, and W-L on test scores. HB's are slightly higher, maybe, but that's probably because it's a choice school and only more actively involved parents/kid are throwing in applications.

If the curriculum is the same (which it is) and the test scores are the same (which they are) then the educations are the same. You're already getting at your neighborhood schools what you're getting at HB.

So why not make it a HS only and make better use of facility space and have less crowded high schools if it’s nothing special? Literally the point of this thread.

Why is it necessarily "better use" of the space to have more high schoolers instead of middle schoolers? Middle school is a unique age group with their own needs during a developmentally turbulent period - why shouldn't they get to have access to the program? Every argument for why HS students would choose HB also applies to MS students.

It’s a better use because we have plenty of middle school seats elsewhere. But I know you are being willfully ignorant

Some of the middle schools are also overcrowded.

Why don’t you read the first post of this thread with latest monthly numbers before offering up such an ignorant defense. Sure they can rebalance middle schools at same time, but middle schools in Arlington have plenty of capacity.

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Anonymous wrote:What's up with all the jealousy and anger against HB? From what I see, there's basically no difference between HB, Yorktown, and W-L on test scores. HB's are slightly higher, maybe, but that's probably because it's a choice school and only more actively involved parents/kid are throwing in applications.

If the curriculum is the same (which it is) and the test scores are the same (which they are) then the educations are the same. You're already getting at your neighborhood schools what you're getting at HB.

So why not make it a HS only and make better use of facility space and have less crowded high schools if it’s nothing special? Literally the point of this thread.

Why is it necessarily "better use" of the space to have more high schoolers instead of middle schoolers? Middle school is a unique age group with their own needs during a developmentally turbulent period - why shouldn't they get to have access to the program? Every argument for why HS students would choose HB also applies to MS students.

It’s a better use because we have plenty of middle school seats elsewhere. But I know you are being willfully ignorant

Some of the middle schools are also overcrowded.

Why don’t you read the first post of this thread with latest monthly numbers before offering up such an ignorant defense. Sure they can rebalance middle schools at same time, but middle schools in Arlington have plenty of capacity.

PS another example of willful ignorance. We literally posted the facts. Do you have a personality disorder?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's up with all the jealousy and anger against HB? From what I see, there's basically no difference between HB, Yorktown, and W-L on test scores. HB's are slightly higher, maybe, but that's probably because it's a choice school and only more actively involved parents/kid are throwing in applications.

If the curriculum is the same (which it is) and the test scores are the same (which they are) then the educations are the same. You're already getting at your neighborhood schools what you're getting at HB.

So why not make it a HS only and make better use of facility space and have less crowded high schools if it’s nothing special? Literally the point of this thread.

Why is it necessarily "better use" of the space to have more high schoolers instead of middle schoolers? Middle school is a unique age group with their own needs during a developmentally turbulent period - why shouldn't they get to have access to the program? Every argument for why HS students would choose HB also applies to MS students.

It’s a better use because we have plenty of middle school seats elsewhere. But I know you are being willfully ignorant

Some of the middle schools are also overcrowded.

Why don’t you read the first post of this thread with latest monthly numbers before offering up such an ignorant defense. Sure they can rebalance middle schools at same time, but middle schools in Arlington have plenty of capacity.

PS another example of willful ignorance. We literally posted the facts. Do you have a personality disorder?

Why are you so angry?

Gunston is over capacity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's up with all the jealousy and anger against HB? From what I see, there's basically no difference between HB, Yorktown, and W-L on test scores. HB's are slightly higher, maybe, but that's probably because it's a choice school and only more actively involved parents/kid are throwing in applications.

If the curriculum is the same (which it is) and the test scores are the same (which they are) then the educations are the same. You're already getting at your neighborhood schools what you're getting at HB.

So why not make it a HS only and make better use of facility space and have less crowded high schools if it’s nothing special? Literally the point of this thread.

Why is it necessarily "better use" of the space to have more high schoolers instead of middle schoolers? Middle school is a unique age group with their own needs during a developmentally turbulent period - why shouldn't they get to have access to the program? Every argument for why HS students would choose HB also applies to MS students.

It’s a better use because we have plenty of middle school seats elsewhere. But I know you are being willfully ignorant

Some of the middle schools are also overcrowded.

Why don’t you read the first post of this thread with latest monthly numbers before offering up such an ignorant defense. Sure they can rebalance middle schools at same time, but middle schools in Arlington have plenty of capacity.

PS another example of willful ignorance. We literally posted the facts. Do you have a personality disorder?

Why are you so angry?

Gunston is over capacity.

Its just frustrating to deal with people who claim to want to influence policy that affects all of our students, yet seems incapable to bother to do arithmetic before speaking nonsense.

Middle School Enrollment/Capacity (Excess seats)
WM 788/997 (219)
SW 888/948 (60)
DH 866/1000 (134)
GN 1099/992 (-107)
KM 947/1045 (98)
TJ 861/1086 (225)

Excess MS Capacity: 619

Gunderson over crowding: 107

The excess capacity calculation takes Gunderson's overcrowding into account, thus we have ample margin to redo MS boundaries to relieve Gunderson (or simply move Immersion elsewhere, that might do it too), and we STILL have excess 600 seats in MS, which can absorb ALL of the HBW MS students, and thus free up about 300 seats for high school. Bonus, more students get to benefit from HBW philosophy, if it is so special.

[Anonymous]

Why is the Heights building 75 students under capacity TODAY? Its building holds 775, but they only have 700 students???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You forgot the other high school Wakefield. Is the curriculum the same there too or are you under the impression HB is just for NA?

Hardly. I think Wakefield is an excellent school. It has lower test scores solely because of demographics. I excluded it because I suspect the majority of the anti-HB crowd on here are from the other high schools. I could be wrong, though.

But, hey, you've hit on something. Maybe those Yorktown folks could send their kids to Wakefield!

There are lots of HB kids from the Wakefield zone. Remember, HB lottery seats are allocated by elementary schools going into 6th grade and by middle school for the handful of 9th grade seats they accept each year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's up with all the jealousy and anger against HB? From what I see, there's basically no difference between HB, Yorktown, and W-L on test scores. HB's are slightly higher, maybe, but that's probably because it's a choice school and only more actively involved parents/kid are throwing in applications.

If the curriculum is the same (which it is) and the test scores are the same (which they are) then the educations are the same. You're already getting at your neighborhood schools what you're getting at HB.

So why not make it a HS only and make better use of facility space and have less crowded high schools if it’s nothing special? Literally the point of this thread.

Why is it necessarily "better use" of the space to have more high schoolers instead of middle schoolers? Middle school is a unique age group with their own needs during a developmentally turbulent period - why shouldn't they get to have access to the program? Every argument for why HS students would choose HB also applies to MS students.

It’s a better use because we have plenty of middle school seats elsewhere. But I know you are being willfully ignorant

Some of the middle schools are also overcrowded.

But there are a lot of open seats in some. People just won't allow boundaries to change in a way that would fill them all equally.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is the Heights building 75 students under capacity TODAY? Its building holds 775, but they only have 700 students???

The Shriver program, I assume.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so sorry I’m ignorant about this, but why isn’t Arlington building more schools? Why aren’t we using more of the Arlington county budget for more buildings? I know we already spent quite a bit per student and schools are expensive but it seems like a district full of million dollar homes should be able to afford enough schools to not be overcrowded?

This is an excellent question. I have only been paying minimal attention so I'm sure others will correct me, but I seem to recall the Kenmore site as a 4th HS was killed by the local neighborhood complaining about traffic and Arlington not being able to remedy that by coordinating with Fairfax on a solution, and then the Career Center idea died after no one could agree on whether it could really be called a 4th HS if it didn't have its own pool.

In other words, seems to boil down to a lack of good sites to build on, paralysis due to various interests fighting each other, and no leadership decisions too move forward with the big picture in mind.

These two.
There are sites, though limited. And those sites have to compete with other County "interests."
So, reason 3 is: CB doesn't care about schools and conveniently relies on the separation of jursidictions with the SB. CB believes it gives schools sufficient funds and it's APS' problem. CB, although they acknowledge they aren't the experts and they aren't in charge of schools, want APS to solve capacity by providing online education. CB won't put other priorities on hold to allow more bond funding to schools to build the facilities it needs, lacks leadership on resolving the issues surrounding sites (traffic, etc. which APS is NOT in charge of making happen), and will not push back on individual neighborhood objections.
Reason 4 is: SB lacks backbone and leadership to stand up to the CB and directly tell them what they need and elicit a true collaborative relationship to make it happen.

There. You're all caught up.

[Anonymous]

People have been trying to shut down HB as we know it literally for decades. Give it a rest already. There's no reason to justify closing down a highly successful program because of the whims of the day and because your own kids didn't get in.

-- not an HB parent

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's up with all the jealousy and anger against HB? From what I see, there's basically no difference between HB, Yorktown, and W-L on test scores. HB's are slightly higher, maybe, but that's probably because it's a choice school and only more actively involved parents/kid are throwing in applications.

If the curriculum is the same (which it is) and the test scores are the same (which they are) then the educations are the same. You're already getting at your neighborhood schools what you're getting at HB.

So why not make it a HS only and make better use of facility space and have less crowded high schools if it’s nothing special? Literally the point of this thread.

Why is it necessarily "better use" of the space to have more high schoolers instead of middle schoolers? Middle school is a unique age group with their own needs during a developmentally turbulent period - why shouldn't they get to have access to the program? Every argument for why HS students would choose HB also applies to MS students.

It’s a better use because we have plenty of middle school seats elsewhere. But I know you are being willfully ignorant

Some of the middle schools are also overcrowded.

Why don’t you read the first post of this thread with latest monthly numbers before offering up such an ignorant defense. Sure they can rebalance middle schools at same time, but middle schools in Arlington have plenty of capacity.

PS another example of willful ignorance. We literally posted the facts. Do you have a personality disorder?

Why are you so angry?

Gunston is over capacity.

Its just frustrating to deal with people who claim to want to influence policy that affects all of our students, yet seems incapable to bother to do arithmetic before speaking nonsense.

Middle School Enrollment/Capacity (Excess seats)
WM 788/997 (219)
SW 888/948 (60)
DH 866/1000 (134)
GN 1099/992 (-107)
KM 947/1045 (98)
TJ 861/1086 (225)

Excess MS Capacity: 619

Gunderson over crowding: 107

The excess capacity calculation takes Gunderson's overcrowding into account, thus we have ample margin to redo MS boundaries to relieve Gunderson (or simply move Immersion elsewhere, that might do it too), and we STILL have excess 600 seats in MS, which can absorb ALL of the HBW MS students, and thus free up about 300 seats for high school. Bonus, more students get to benefit from HBW philosophy, if it is so special.

Gunston, not Gunderson, is getting some relief with the recent boundary change shifting students to Jefferson.
What APS won't do is push more kids further north to fill Hamm and Williamsburg.
MS Immersion should absolutely be moved out of GUnston - to Kenmore. Then push boundaries around the clock to better fill Williamsburg and Hamm.
Alternatively, move MS immersion to Hamm (probably a slightly better location for accessibility) or WMS. Problem is, most of the native Spanish speaking immersion students would lose access with those locations. But don't worry. North Arlington native English speaker parents want to eliminate the 50/50 instructional model anyway, and they'll be happy to continue with immersion in MS when it's moved closer to them.

[Anonymous]

Gotta love all these amateur moms thinking that having kids in the schools somehow makes them experts who can offer simple answers for complicated problems without knowing all the facts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's up with all the jealousy and anger against HB? From what I see, there's basically no difference between HB, Yorktown, and W-L on test scores. HB's are slightly higher, maybe, but that's probably because it's a choice school and only more actively involved parents/kid are throwing in applications.

If the curriculum is the same (which it is) and the test scores are the same (which they are) then the educations are the same. You're already getting at your neighborhood schools what you're getting at HB.

So why not make it a HS only and make better use of facility space and have less crowded high schools if it’s nothing special? Literally the point of this thread.

Why is it necessarily "better use" of the space to have more high schoolers instead of middle schoolers? Middle school is a unique age group with their own needs during a developmentally turbulent period - why shouldn't they get to have access to the program? Every argument for why HS students would choose HB also applies to MS students.

It’s a better use because we have plenty of middle school seats elsewhere. But I know you are being willfully ignorant

Some of the middle schools are also overcrowded.

Why don’t you read the first post of this thread with latest monthly numbers before offering up such an ignorant defense. Sure they can rebalance middle schools at same time, but middle schools in Arlington have plenty of capacity.

PS another example of willful ignorance. We literally posted the facts. Do you have a personality disorder?

Why are you so angry?

Gunston is over capacity.

Its just frustrating to deal with people who claim to want to influence policy that affects all of our students, yet seems incapable to bother to do arithmetic before speaking nonsense.

Middle School Enrollment/Capacity (Excess seats)
WM 788/997 (219)
SW 888/948 (60)
DH 866/1000 (134)
GN 1099/992 (-107)
KM 947/1045 (98)
TJ 861/1086 (225)

Excess MS Capacity: 619

Gunderson over crowding: 107

The excess capacity calculation takes Gunderson's overcrowding into account, thus we have ample margin to redo MS boundaries to relieve Gunderson (or simply move Immersion elsewhere, that might do it too), and we STILL have excess 600 seats in MS, which can absorb ALL of the HBW MS students, and thus free up about 300 seats for high school. Bonus, more students get to benefit from HBW philosophy, if it is so special.

I don't know why you think people should take your ideas seriously when you don't even know the name of the MS in question. It makes you seem not very familiar with the school system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's up with all the jealousy and anger against HB? From what I see, there's basically no difference between HB, Yorktown, and W-L on test scores. HB's are slightly higher, maybe, but that's probably because it's a choice school and only more actively involved parents/kid are throwing in applications.

If the curriculum is the same (which it is) and the test scores are the same (which they are) then the educations are the same. You're already getting at your neighborhood schools what you're getting at HB.

So why not make it a HS only and make better use of facility space and have less crowded high schools if it’s nothing special? Literally the point of this thread.

Why is it necessarily "better use" of the space to have more high schoolers instead of middle schoolers? Middle school is a unique age group with their own needs during a developmentally turbulent period - why shouldn't they get to have access to the program? Every argument for why HS students would choose HB also applies to MS students.

It’s a better use because we have plenty of middle school seats elsewhere. But I know you are being willfully ignorant

Some of the middle schools are also overcrowded.

Why don’t you read the first post of this thread with latest monthly numbers before offering up such an ignorant defense. Sure they can rebalance middle schools at same time, but middle schools in Arlington have plenty of capacity.

PS another example of willful ignorance. We literally posted the facts. Do you have a personality disorder?

Why are you so angry?

Gunston is over capacity.

Its just frustrating to deal with people who claim to want to influence policy that affects all of our students, yet seems incapable to bother to do arithmetic before speaking nonsense.

Middle School Enrollment/Capacity (Excess seats)
WM 788/997 (219)
SW 888/948 (60)
DH 866/1000 (134)
GN 1099/992 (-107)
KM 947/1045 (98)
TJ 861/1086 (225)

Excess MS Capacity: 619

Gunderson over crowding: 107

The excess capacity calculation takes Gunderson's overcrowding into account, thus we have ample margin to redo MS boundaries to relieve Gunderson (or simply move Immersion elsewhere, that might do it too), and we STILL have excess 600 seats in MS, which can absorb ALL of the HBW MS students, and thus free up about 300 seats for high school. Bonus, more students get to benefit from HBW philosophy, if it is so special.

I don't know why you think people should take your ideas seriously when you don't even know the name of the MS in question. It makes you seem not very familiar with the school system.

NP. Your refutation is not convincing. My kids are zoned for Gunston and I just ignored the typo.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's up with all the jealousy and anger against HB? From what I see, there's basically no difference between HB, Yorktown, and W-L on test scores. HB's are slightly higher, maybe, but that's probably because it's a choice school and only more actively involved parents/kid are throwing in applications.

If the curriculum is the same (which it is) and the test scores are the same (which they are) then the educations are the same. You're already getting at your neighborhood schools what you're getting at HB.

So why not make it a HS only and make better use of facility space and have less crowded high schools if it’s nothing special? Literally the point of this thread.

Why is it necessarily "better use" of the space to have more high schoolers instead of middle schoolers? Middle school is a unique age group with their own needs during a developmentally turbulent period - why shouldn't they get to have access to the program? Every argument for why HS students would choose HB also applies to MS students.

It’s a better use because we have plenty of middle school seats elsewhere. But I know you are being willfully ignorant

Some of the middle schools are also overcrowded.

Why don’t you read the first post of this thread with latest monthly numbers before offering up such an ignorant defense. Sure they can rebalance middle schools at same time, but middle schools in Arlington have plenty of capacity.

PS another example of willful ignorance. We literally posted the facts. Do you have a personality disorder?

Why are you so angry?

Gunston is over capacity.

Its just frustrating to deal with people who claim to want to influence policy that affects all of our students, yet seems incapable to bother to do arithmetic before speaking nonsense.

Middle School Enrollment/Capacity (Excess seats)
WM 788/997 (219)
SW 888/948 (60)
DH 866/1000 (134)
GN 1099/992 (-107)
KM 947/1045 (98)
TJ 861/1086 (225)

Excess MS Capacity: 619

Gunderson over crowding: 107

The excess capacity calculation takes Gunderson's overcrowding into account, thus we have ample margin to redo MS boundaries to relieve Gunderson (or simply move Immersion elsewhere, that might do it too), and we STILL have excess 600 seats in MS, which can absorb ALL of the HBW MS students, and thus free up about 300 seats for high school. Bonus, more students get to benefit from HBW philosophy, if it is so special.

I don't know why you think people should take your ideas seriously when you don't even know the name of the MS in question. It makes you seem not very familiar with the school system.

Whatever. I’ve been involved with the school board for 15 years; I used the name of a middle school near where I grew up for Gunston, sorry that my math is advanced for you to follow