So what exactly is the problem with C-Sections?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We can only get pregnant via IVF. The combo of IVF pregnancy and multiple C section scars dramatically increases the chance of an ectopic c section pregnancy, which would mean terminating a wanted pregnancy or risking a uterine rupture and leaving my kids orphaned. When you go to deliver a c section scar pregnancy they have you bring your advanced directives because the chance of death is so high. High risk of hysterectomy. C sections also cause infertility and lower implantation rate of embryos, which matters a lot to a couple who can't try to make a new embryo every month the old fashioned way.

Huh? I had an IVF pregnancy and delivered via C-section. No one talked about advanced directives and chance of death for C-section #2. This seems very dramatic.

If the embryo implants in the scar from the previous c section the placenta will invade the wall of the uterus. The uterus can rupture and when it comes time to deliver the placenta doesn't want to detach and it can cause catastrophic hemorrhage that can only be managed with a hysterectomy. The more Cs you have the greater your risk, esp with IVF pregnancies because they are more likely to be ectopic in general because the embryo didn't gently roll down your fallopian tube. They don't tell you this once you've had the C because there isn't anything that can be done to prevent it, other than not getting pregnant again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can only get pregnant via IVF. The combo of IVF pregnancy and multiple C section scars dramatically increases the chance of an ectopic c section pregnancy, which would mean terminating a wanted pregnancy or risking a uterine rupture and leaving my kids orphaned. When you go to deliver a c section scar pregnancy they have you bring your advanced directives because the chance of death is so high. High risk of hysterectomy. C sections also cause infertility and lower implantation rate of embryos, which matters a lot to a couple who can't try to make a new embryo every month the old fashioned way.

Huh? I had an IVF pregnancy and delivered via C-section. No one talked about advanced directives and chance of death for C-section #2. This seems very dramatic.

If the embryo implants in the scar from the previous c section the placenta will invade the wall of the uterus. The uterus can rupture and when it comes time to deliver the placenta doesn't want to detach and it can cause catastrophic hemorrhage that can only be managed with a hysterectomy. The more Cs you have the greater your risk, esp with IVF pregnancies because they are more likely to be ectopic in general because the embryo didn't gently roll down your fallopian tube. They don't tell you this once you've had the C because there isn't anything that can be done to prevent it, other than not getting pregnant again.

DP. They don't tell you about this risk but they do make you bring an advanced directive to deliver? This doesn't pass the smell test. I know many, many women who've had multiple C-sections and none who've had to do that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can only get pregnant via IVF. The combo of IVF pregnancy and multiple C section scars dramatically increases the chance of an ectopic c section pregnancy, which would mean terminating a wanted pregnancy or risking a uterine rupture and leaving my kids orphaned. When you go to deliver a c section scar pregnancy they have you bring your advanced directives because the chance of death is so high. High risk of hysterectomy. C sections also cause infertility and lower implantation rate of embryos, which matters a lot to a couple who can't try to make a new embryo every month the old fashioned way.

Huh? I had an IVF pregnancy and delivered via C-section. No one talked about advanced directives and chance of death for C-section #2. This seems very dramatic.

If the embryo implants in the scar from the previous c section the placenta will invade the wall of the uterus. The uterus can rupture and when it comes time to deliver the placenta doesn't want to detach and it can cause catastrophic hemorrhage that can only be managed with a hysterectomy. The more Cs you have the greater your risk, esp with IVF pregnancies because they are more likely to be ectopic in general because the embryo didn't gently roll down your fallopian tube. They don't tell you this once you've had the C because there isn't anything that can be done to prevent it, other than not getting pregnant again.

That is terrifying but has to be an an exceedingly rare complication. IVF + C is a common combo/outcome for AMA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can only get pregnant via IVF. The combo of IVF pregnancy and multiple C section scars dramatically increases the chance of an ectopic c section pregnancy, which would mean terminating a wanted pregnancy or risking a uterine rupture and leaving my kids orphaned. When you go to deliver a c section scar pregnancy they have you bring your advanced directives because the chance of death is so high. High risk of hysterectomy. C sections also cause infertility and lower implantation rate of embryos, which matters a lot to a couple who can't try to make a new embryo every month the old fashioned way.

Huh? I had an IVF pregnancy and delivered via C-section. No one talked about advanced directives and chance of death for C-section #2. This seems very dramatic.

If the embryo implants in the scar from the previous c section the placenta will invade the wall of the uterus. The uterus can rupture and when it comes time to deliver the placenta doesn't want to detach and it can cause catastrophic hemorrhage that can only be managed with a hysterectomy. The more Cs you have the greater your risk, esp with IVF pregnancies because they are more likely to be ectopic in general because the embryo didn't gently roll down your fallopian tube. They don't tell you this once you've had the C because there isn't anything that can be done to prevent it, other than not getting pregnant again.

DP. They don't tell you about this risk but they do make you bring an advanced directive to deliver? This doesn't pass the smell test. I know many, many women who've had multiple C-sections and none who've had to do that.

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. The advanced directives is for a c section scar pregnancy delivery, NOT implanting an embryo in a scarred uterus.

[Anonymous]

Yep. I had a horrific T-cut C section with my first (full term pregnancy, C section after baby’s head got stuck, failed attempts at vacuum delivery). My son lived only a few hours. It was an IVF pregnancy. I had a laparoscopy 3 months later because my fertility doctor was concerned about scar tissue from the T-cut impacting future pregnancies. I had another baby a year later. My OB told me they don’t really know if scar tissue develops from the C section until the next C section, ie, he didn’t know if I had scar tissue from C section #2 until I had C section #3. (Unless you get a laparoscopy, but that’s not common practice after C sections). My story, thankfully, is very rare. After 3 C sections, my OB did not clear me for a 4th, which was fine, I was done.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can only get pregnant via IVF. The combo of IVF pregnancy and multiple C section scars dramatically increases the chance of an ectopic c section pregnancy, which would mean terminating a wanted pregnancy or risking a uterine rupture and leaving my kids orphaned. When you go to deliver a c section scar pregnancy they have you bring your advanced directives because the chance of death is so high. High risk of hysterectomy. C sections also cause infertility and lower implantation rate of embryos, which matters a lot to a couple who can't try to make a new embryo every month the old fashioned way.

Huh? I had an IVF pregnancy and delivered via C-section. No one talked about advanced directives and chance of death for C-section #2. This seems very dramatic.

If the embryo implants in the scar from the previous c section the placenta will invade the wall of the uterus. The uterus can rupture and when it comes time to deliver the placenta doesn't want to detach and it can cause catastrophic hemorrhage that can only be managed with a hysterectomy. The more Cs you have the greater your risk, esp with IVF pregnancies because they are more likely to be ectopic in general because the embryo didn't gently roll down your fallopian tube. They don't tell you this once you've had the C because there isn't anything that can be done to prevent it, other than not getting pregnant again.

That is terrifying but has to be an an exceedingly rare complication. IVF + C is a common combo/outcome for AMA

It's not that rare because most people only have 1-2 kids via IVF. If people were having many children via IVF/C section you would hear about it much more.

https://www.obgproject.com/2020/05/28/is-ivf-an-independent-risk-factor-for-placenta-accreta-spectrum/

btw it happens in naturally conceived pregnancies as well, including becoming more likely with more Cs, but the rate is lower

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yep. I had a horrific T-cut C section with my first (full term pregnancy, C section after baby’s head got stuck, failed attempts at vacuum delivery). My son lived only a few hours. It was an IVF pregnancy. I had a laparoscopy 3 months later because my fertility doctor was concerned about scar tissue from the T-cut impacting future pregnancies. I had another baby a year later. My OB told me they don’t really know if scar tissue develops from the C section until the next C section, ie, he didn’t know if I had scar tissue from C section #2 until I had C section #3. (Unless you get a laparoscopy, but that’s not common practice after C sections). My story, thankfully, is very rare. After 3 C sections, my OB did not clear me for a 4th, which was fine, I was done.

Traumatizing. I'm sorry for your loss.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can only get pregnant via IVF. The combo of IVF pregnancy and multiple C section scars dramatically increases the chance of an ectopic c section pregnancy, which would mean terminating a wanted pregnancy or risking a uterine rupture and leaving my kids orphaned. When you go to deliver a c section scar pregnancy they have you bring your advanced directives because the chance of death is so high. High risk of hysterectomy. C sections also cause infertility and lower implantation rate of embryos, which matters a lot to a couple who can't try to make a new embryo every month the old fashioned way.

Huh? I had an IVF pregnancy and delivered via C-section. No one talked about advanced directives and chance of death for C-section #2. This seems very dramatic.

If the embryo implants in the scar from the previous c section the placenta will invade the wall of the uterus. The uterus can rupture and when it comes time to deliver the placenta doesn't want to detach and it can cause catastrophic hemorrhage that can only be managed with a hysterectomy. The more Cs you have the greater your risk, esp with IVF pregnancies because they are more likely to be ectopic in general because the embryo didn't gently roll down your fallopian tube. They don't tell you this once you've had the C because there isn't anything that can be done to prevent it, other than not getting pregnant again.

DP. They don't tell you about this risk but they do make you bring an advanced directive to deliver? This doesn't pass the smell test. I know many, many women who've had multiple C-sections and none who've had to do that.

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. The advanced directives is for a c section scar pregnancy delivery, NOT implanting an embryo in a scarred uterus.

On a third read, it seems like maybe you're using ectopic pregnancy and "c-section scar" pregnancy interchangeably? It's actually very difficult to parse out your meaning and I've never been accused of reading comprehension issues in the past. Either way, I hope you get the vaginal birth you prefer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can only get pregnant via IVF. The combo of IVF pregnancy and multiple C section scars dramatically increases the chance of an ectopic c section pregnancy, which would mean terminating a wanted pregnancy or risking a uterine rupture and leaving my kids orphaned. When you go to deliver a c section scar pregnancy they have you bring your advanced directives because the chance of death is so high. High risk of hysterectomy. C sections also cause infertility and lower implantation rate of embryos, which matters a lot to a couple who can't try to make a new embryo every month the old fashioned way.

Huh? I had an IVF pregnancy and delivered via C-section. No one talked about advanced directives and chance of death for C-section #2. This seems very dramatic.

If the embryo implants in the scar from the previous c section the placenta will invade the wall of the uterus. The uterus can rupture and when it comes time to deliver the placenta doesn't want to detach and it can cause catastrophic hemorrhage that can only be managed with a hysterectomy. The more Cs you have the greater your risk, esp with IVF pregnancies because they are more likely to be ectopic in general because the embryo didn't gently roll down your fallopian tube. They don't tell you this once you've had the C because there isn't anything that can be done to prevent it, other than not getting pregnant again.

DP. They don't tell you about this risk but they do make you bring an advanced directive to deliver? This doesn't pass the smell test. I know many, many women who've had multiple C-sections and none who've had to do that.

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. The advanced directives is for a c section scar pregnancy delivery, NOT implanting an embryo in a scarred uterus.

On a third read, it seems like maybe you're using ectopic pregnancy and "c-section scar" pregnancy interchangeably? It's actually very difficult to parse out your meaning and I've never been accused of reading comprehension issues in the past. Either way, I hope you get the vaginal birth you prefer.

C section scar pregnancy is a subtype of ectopic pregnancy. Before you accuse me of failing the "smell test", perhaps you should spend 10 minutes on google researching it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yep. I had a horrific T-cut C section with my first (full term pregnancy, C section after baby’s head got stuck, failed attempts at vacuum delivery). My son lived only a few hours. It was an IVF pregnancy. I had a laparoscopy 3 months later because my fertility doctor was concerned about scar tissue from the T-cut impacting future pregnancies. I had another baby a year later. My OB told me they don’t really know if scar tissue develops from the C section until the next C section, ie, he didn’t know if I had scar tissue from C section #2 until I had C section #3. (Unless you get a laparoscopy, but that’s not common practice after C sections). My story, thankfully, is very rare. After 3 C sections, my OB did not clear me for a 4th, which was fine, I was done.

I'm so sorry for your loss.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Forceps birth for my first after a day of labor left me unable to control my poop for 6 months and with a boatload of scar tissue in my vagina from sidewall tears and a bladder and rectal prolapse that make emptying my rectum impossible so I have to use gloves or enemas on a daily basis now. The scheduled c section I had after that (which had several post op complications) Was so civilized and lovely compared to having a baby ripped out of me with BBQ tongs after purple pushing for hours. My c section scar is invisible now to the naked eye and was done in my pubic hairline. It looks nothing like the picture the PP posted and you cannot see it and there’s only a tiny band of scar tissue I can feel when I palpate the area. oP do the scheduled c section. I did and wish I had done it for my first.

That woman's scar might be sucked in because of adhesions (scar tissue), and you have no idea if your body makes those until it is too late.

DP. My body does make adhesions. I've had 3 endometriosis surgeries. There were no adhesions near my c section scar.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323988

[Anonymous]

There's no problem with c-sections, it's just that a bunch of sanctimonious holier-than-thou women want to find a way to feel like they are better than someone else, so they say pushed a baby out of their vagina and that makes them a better mom.

I had two c-sections b/c my babies were breech. I had two VERY easy recoveries. I didn't tear and don't pee when I laugh or sneeze, I consider this a HUGE WIN over everyone I know that gave birth vaginally, LOL! Really the only downside is the scar, but it's covered even with the smallest bikini.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's no problem with c-sections, it's just that a bunch of sanctimonious holier-than-thou women want to find a way to feel like they are better than someone else, so they say pushed a baby out of their vagina and that makes them a better mom.

I had two c-sections b/c my babies were breech. I had two VERY easy recoveries. I didn't tear and don't pee when I laugh or sneeze, I consider this a HUGE WIN over everyone I know that gave birth vaginally, LOL! Really the only downside is the scar, but it's covered even with the smallest bikini.

Me again, I've read through some of the craziness on this thread. I was 30 and 33 when I had my kids. No IVF involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had two vaginal births and all my friends and both my SILs had c-sections.

Cons: 1) it's real, serious surgery and it hurts like h*ll after and the recovery is a PITA. I went for a 2 miles walk probably 3 days after I had my second and they couldn't even move. If you have a ton of help and someone talking care of the baby 24/7 while you recover, it's not bad. If you don't, it's hard. 2) All of them ended up with funky looking stomachs, even my brother's wife, who is rail thin. 3) scars 4) babies are more prone to autoimmune issues 5) one SIL ended up with some uterine scarring. Statistically, this could be why some have a harder time conceiving after.

"Previous peer-reviewed research, by multiple authors, has identified links between C-section and negative health outcomes in children, including obesity, asthma and autism. For example, studies have shown that delivery by C-section increases a child's risk for obesity by age 5 by an astounding 55%." IMO, his could be that the moms are already sicker and obese and therefore requiring a c-section, so the offspring are not that healthy, so it might not be the surgery itself, but who knows.

Pros (HUGE): pelvic floor health and stress urinary incontinence



https://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20130211/c-section-formula-may-disrupt-good-gut-bacteria-in-babies#1

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200709141545.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/11/201104131520.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/12/181219093903.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160223074738.htm

WTF? That is NOT what most c-section scars look like, you insane lady. Mine is barely visible (I had TWO).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's no problem with c-sections, it's just that a bunch of sanctimonious holier-than-thou women want to find a way to feel like they are better than someone else, so they say pushed a baby out of their vagina and that makes them a better mom.

I had two c-sections b/c my babies were breech. I had two VERY easy recoveries. I didn't tear and don't pee when I laugh or sneeze, I consider this a HUGE WIN over everyone I know that gave birth vaginally, LOL! Really the only downside is the scar, but it's covered even with the smallest bikini.

Except the one who lost her baby, who cares about her experience?