15 yr old Wilson student abducted his teacher

[jsteele]

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Meaning, what, exactly? Do you really think that students at a HS in N Arlington are as likely to have criminal convictions for violent acts? Are you one of the posters equating cheating on a test with carjacking and stabbing? What do you think would have happened had the teacher not jumped out of the car?

Don't know about N Arlington, but Bethesda has its trio of sexual violence offenders:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A56540-2003Jul14

[Anonymous]

Why compare public and private? The issue is Wilson is the geographically designated Tenleytown public high school. This depravity is unacceptable. As is the fact that police need to watch the kids getting out of school so they don't brawl by the metro. We need to demand accountability so that the school is a good option for all who choose it. Does the school retain, discipline or counsel out children with recurring discipline issues? Is there a reasonable disciplinary system in place that every adult there feels an obligation towards maintaining and does in fact back? One that hold children to high expectations, gives a chance to learn from a mistake, and then 'bye bye'? Is there a character education plan for teens in place? Peer groups? A counselor? Why the crappy dress and language? We all notice it in the neighborhood--why is no adult calling the kids to hold themselves a little higher? Positive role models?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Much as it pained me to go to this website

http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/local/second-arrest-in-wilson-high-school-teacher-abduction-042010

Check out the guy's MySpace page:

http://www.myspace.com/hogart24

A real ladies' man.

[Anonymous]

Yikes. Almost sad. Anyone worried about the much documented revolving door that is the DC juvie system for the younger one? They might have this kid back in this lady's class by Monday.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This automatic assumption that privates are safe havens with other people of "good character" is laughable. Just read the news...

Provide links please of students at local privates who have committed violent crimes. Drugs and underage drinking are everywhere, kids who carjack, rob, sexually assault and stab are not.

This naivete is scary and dangerous

Meaning, what, exactly? Do you really think that students at a HS in N Arlington are as likely to have criminal convictions for violent acts? Are you one of the posters equating cheating on a test with carjacking and stabbing? What do you think would have happened had the teacher not jumped out of the car?

Meaning that the act of assuming that there are no kids who carjack, rob, sexually assault and stab at private schools or nice suburban schools is naive. It's a false sense of security. I'd rather have my kid take chance in the big city high school than hang around with the "nice girls" out in the suburban middle schools who sell their homemade porn to classmates. ick ick ick

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/16/AR2010041603657.html

[Anonymous]

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More likely to lead to sexual assault -- which is what happened to my dd at a private school when she crossed paths with an experienced manipulator and user (with a parent in biglaw btw). That never happened to her in DCPS. Don't assume your daughters are safer in private school. Mine wasn't and she is still recovering from the experience.
On the other hand, when she was in DCPS she didn't hang out with hoodlums and the chances of her being shot were extremely unlikely.

I am truly sorry for what happened to your daughter. But it could happen at any school, college, etc. Did she attend Wilson at any point? Random gunfire is the opposite of targeted and has nothing to do with anything but proximity and poor luck.
Best wishes to you and your girl. I hope that you were able to press charges.

Thank you for your kind thoughts. We did not press charges because the young man was very good at manipulating my daughter and the circumstances were such that it would have led nowhere. I was also worried about the fact that he was from a well-to-do family and his dad was a law partner.

But I think you're missing my point. There isn't random gunfire happening at Wilson. (And no, dd did not attend Wilson.) The assault on the teacher took place in the middle of the night in Adams-Morgan. Plus, it does matter who you hang out with. White middle class kids like my dd don't generally hang out with poor kids who are going to attract or get into this kind of trouble. But they do hang out with other middle class kids who do drugs, drink, and drive. And most women who are sexually assaulted are assaulted by someone they know. Girls like my daughter should fear the manipulative young man who gets good grades and comes from a so-called "good" family because that's who they hang out with. When my dd attended DCPS there were most likely some kids there who may have ended up like the kid who abducted the teacher but my daughter didn't socialize with those kids. They weren't the dangerous ones in my view because she wasn't likely to do something self-destructive and stupid because they told her to.

But thanks again for your nice thoughts. I do appreciate it. Maybe I'm belaboring the point but I just want middle-class parents to realize that -- not that there isn't crime out there and that our kids can be hurt by it -- but that more often it's the people you know from your own class background that can do more damage.

[Anonymous]

From the photos, he looks like the father of two young boys.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Much as it pained me to go to this website

http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/local/second-arrest-in-wilson-high-school-teacher-abduction-042010

Check out the guy's MySpace page:

http://www.myspace.com/hogart24

A real ladies' man.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, I think that they certainly do. The quality of the education certainly has something to do with the quality and general character of the students. Wilson seems more likely to have students who commit violent crimes. The key point is that the PERPETRATOR of the kidnapping, sexual assault and stabbing was a 15 year old WILSON STUDENT. Can you say that about Holton? GDS?

I'm not sure. It seems less likely in the case of Holton but that's because it's a girl's school. Who can say about GDS?

What we certainly CAN say about the private school environment is that Beauvoir hired a pedophile who had a thing for the little boys under his care and is now on the run from the law, so why would Holton or GDS be any different?

Certainly deplorable but not violent peer group.

True. There are no 3rd graders at Wilson who are violent, they have to wait til high school for that. However, considering the TEACHERS of 3rd graders at DC privates? Well, those parents would be well-advised to start worrying on a much earlier time frame...

Pedos are everywhere, private school, public school, sports, etc, wherever kids are. But how many schools can claim a significant percentage of students with violent criminal records. I think you are mixing apples and oranges. And to the mom whose DD was assaulted at a private school, that is a terrible crime but it could have happened at DCPS as well. It's just not as likely that gunfire is going to break out in the cafeteria at a private school or a suburban school unless the areea has a big gang problem. Many of the kids at Wilson are thugs or thugs in the making. Having my kid in close proximity to that is not so safe.

Wow, a "significant percentage" of Wilson students have "violent criminal records"? Really? Can you provide some stats? Also about the "many" Wilson kids who are "thugs or thugs in the making"? This sounds like a pretty scientific assessment, so I'm sure you have some data to back it up. As the parent of two future Wilson students, I'm very interested in any information you can provide.

[Anonymous]

This is a crazy conversation people are going to label an ENTIRE population of students based on a crime that two students committed off school grounds. Bad sh*t happens at every school cheating, drugs, car crashes, bullying, violence - it happens everywhere. I don't anat my kids around cheaters and I don't want my kids around rapists - no decent parent wants that. But to assume that just because kids come from certain neighborhoods or are in private school that they have better morals, is the most ridiculous thing I have heard on this board. You can't buy good judgement and decency - parents need to teach and model it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually, I think that they certainly do. The quality of the education certainly has something to do with the quality and general character of the students. Wilson seems more likely to have students who commit violent crimes. The key point is that the PERPETRATOR of the kidnapping, sexual assault and stabbing was a 15 year old WILSON STUDENT. Can you say that about Holton? GDS?

Hush, you are not supposed to notice that different schools have student populations that have radically different patterns and frequency of violent crime. If you notice that fact, you certainly aren't supposed to talk about it, and you definitely are not supposed to let it affect your decisions about schools for your children to attend. Your child is equally safe at Whitman or Wilson, so get over it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a crazy conversation people are going to label an ENTIRE population of students based on a crime that two students committed off school grounds. Bad sh*t happens at every school cheating, drugs, car crashes, bullying, violence - it happens everywhere. I don't anat my kids around cheaters and I don't want my kids around rapists - no decent parent wants that. But to assume that just because kids come from certain neighborhoods or are in private school that they have better morals, is the most ridiculous thing I have heard on this board. You can't buy good judgement and decency - parents need to teach and model it.

This is a serious question -- do you think the amount of "bad sh*t" that happens at schools is the same at all schools, or does it vary? If it varies, why isn't that a reasonable thing for people to take into account?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a crazy conversation people are going to label an ENTIRE population of students based on a crime that two students committed off school grounds. Bad sh*t happens at every school cheating, drugs, car crashes, bullying, violence - it happens everywhere. I don't anat my kids around cheaters and I don't want my kids around rapists - no decent parent wants that. But to assume that just because kids come from certain neighborhoods or are in private school that they have better morals, is the most ridiculous thing I have heard on this board. You can't buy good judgement and decency - parents need to teach and model it.

Do you understand the struggles that some kids face in this city? To compare the lives of Whitman kids to the Wilson kids is laughable. LAUGHABLE. Yes, there is a teeny tiny group of students at Whitman who are genuinely struggling (economically, etc), but compare that to the neighborhoods of the OOB kids at Wilson?? Not even comparable.

I don't think a couple of idiot kids who kidnap someone are representing that whole of Wilson. But they ARE representing a significant group of kids who have that little to live for. The homelessness, gangs, drugs, GUNS, etc is a REAL problem at that school, as it is in many of the DCPS high school's.

I am just shaking my head when people are saying "Oh, you people think your private school kids are SO much better, they are drinking, blah blah blah"

The private school kids are not BETTER, they are LUCKIER. Their potential is the same as anyone else's. It is in an insult to those kids to minimize what is required for some of them to even MAKE it to school, let alone do well.

And stop with the pedophilia bullshit, and the crappy teachers, and Goldman Sachs bullshit. Those examples are not relevant here. EVERYONE with two damn brain cells bouncing around knows that people have varying degrees of good judgement and character, but we are talking about ADOLESCENTS here, not greedy adults or adults with mental disorders.

Private school kids and Whitman kids ARE different from many of the kids at Wilson, but not b/c they are better. It is b/c they had the good fortune to be born to people with resources, education, and money. And it doesn't hurt that they are part of the ruling majority race in the country.

[Anonymous]

PP, sorry, meant schools, not school's.

[Anonymous]

My point is not about the variation of bad sh*t - for me all of it is unacceptable. I don' think it is unreasonable for parents to take safety into account. My point is that people are making assumptions about an ENTIRE student body because of this incident. If you read the comments on this thread, folks are making definite judgements about the kinds of kids that attend Wilson. And that people think they can buy or move into schools with students that have better morals and judgement is insane. Teach your kids how to make decisions and recognize right from wrong and recognize the crazies from the sane and you should be good to go.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a crazy conversation people are going to label an ENTIRE population of students based on a crime that two students committed off school grounds. Bad sh*t happens at every school cheating, drugs, car crashes, bullying, violence - it happens everywhere. I don't anat my kids around cheaters and I don't want my kids around rapists - no decent parent wants that. But to assume that just because kids come from certain neighborhoods or are in private school that they have better morals, is the most ridiculous thing I have heard on this board. You can't buy good judgement and decency - parents need to teach and model it.

Do you understand the struggles that some kids face in this city? To compare the lives of Whitman kids to the Wilson kids is laughable. LAUGHABLE. Yes, there is a teeny tiny group of students at Whitman who are genuinely struggling (economically, etc), but compare that to the neighborhoods of the OOB kids at Wilson?? Not even comparable.

I don't think a couple of idiot kids who kidnap someone are representing that whole of Wilson. But they ARE representing a significant group of kids who have that little to live for. The homelessness, gangs, drugs, GUNS, etc is a REAL problem at that school, as it is in many of the DCPS high school's.

I am just shaking my head when people are saying "Oh, you people think your private school kids are SO much better, they are drinking, blah blah blah"

The private school kids are not BETTER, they are LUCKIER. Their potential is the same as anyone else's. It is in an insult to those kids to minimize what is required for some of them to even MAKE it to school, let alone do well.

And stop with the pedophilia bullshit, and the crappy teachers, and Goldman Sachs bullshit. Those examples are not relevant here. EVERYONE with two damn brain cells bouncing around knows that people have varying degrees of good judgement and character, but we are talking about ADOLESCENTS here, not greedy adults or adults with mental disorders.

Private school kids and Whitman kids ARE different from many of the kids at Wilson, but not b/c they are better. It is b/c they had the good fortune to be born to people with resources, education, and money. And it doesn't hurt that they are part of the ruling majority race in the country.

Not for much longer dude.