testify to SAVE Mayoral control of DCPS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SAVE MAYORAL CONTROL is basically Vote Ferebee. I thought that was what we were against?

Sadly, there are ideas worse than Ferebee, and this is one of them. I won't vote to just "shake up" things, because that was exactly why people voted for Trump. Shaking up things to bring in people with backwards or weak policy proposals should be verboten.

[Anonymous]

Given that the school board candidates currently campaign on issues that have nothing to do with their actual responsibilities, I worry a board with real oversight would focus on making a name on a national stage rather than being competent in their actual duties just like council seems more concerned about posturing on national issues than solving local problems.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There will be a DC Council hearing on October 26 to discuss ending mayoral control of DCPS. Please sign up to testify against ending Mayoral control. There is no rational for ending Mayoral control other than giving more power to outside organizations over DCPS. Nobody has made the case for why the current management of DCPS needs to be change. Indeed - every single other public work is administered directly by the Mayor.

Mayoral control is DIRECTLY related to school reopening after covid. Without mayoral control, I do not believe DCPS would have opened at all last year, similar to SFUSD.

More information:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/chicago-schools-lori-lightfoot-mayoral-control/2021/02/18/ff452110-7158-11eb-93be-c10813e358a2_story.html

This is old research, but it explains the issue of mayoral control of schools, and why it is beneficial:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/news/2013/03/22/57723/top-5-things-to-know-about-mayoral-control-of-schools/

Washington Post on the current efforts in DC: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/undermining-mayoral-control-of-dc-schools-wont-make-things-better-for-students/2021/03/07/0fcb87d4-7bbf-11eb-b3d1-9e5aa3d5220c_story.html

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First of all - it's "RATIONALE" not "rational"

secondly -- Mayoral control has been an unmitigated failure. Public schools have become politically driven rather than focused on better student outcomes across the board. Thanks for the heads up so I can testify to end Mayoral control.

You'll need to go into a bit more detail about A) what exactly you mean by "politically driven" and B) why ending mayoral control -- and handing over control to an elected school board -- would make it less politically driven? Or do you just mean something like making the Chancellor only dismissable for cause?

I don't "need" to do anything

Educators should drive decision making on policy. Educators should run schools and school boards are far more accountable to citizens than a mayoral appointees. Political appointees cut out meaningful and necessary voices in the process with little real accountability to school communities. I guess there's accountability if you game the boundary system for your own kid, but there's no accountability for failing to deliver better outcomes for students, however desperate the effort to quantify any measurable "success" through questionable metrics (spoiler alert -- rich kids test better than poor kids).

yes you do need to answer the obvious questions if you expect to be taken seriously.

so how does a school board ensure that educators will run schools? it’s an open election. do you think there shouldn’t be a chancellor either? (he’s a political appointee.)

still not hearing anything coherent…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There will be a DC Council hearing on October 26 to discuss ending mayoral control of DCPS. Please sign up to testify against ending Mayoral control. There is no rational for ending Mayoral control other than giving more power to outside organizations over DCPS. Nobody has made the case for why the current management of DCPS needs to be change. Indeed - every single other public work is administered directly by the Mayor.

Mayoral control is DIRECTLY related to school reopening after covid. Without mayoral control, I do not believe DCPS would have opened at all last year, similar to SFUSD.

More information:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/chicago-schools-lori-lightfoot-mayoral-control/2021/02/18/ff452110-7158-11eb-93be-c10813e358a2_story.html

This is old research, but it explains the issue of mayoral control of schools, and why it is beneficial:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/news/2013/03/22/57723/top-5-things-to-know-about-mayoral-control-of-schools/

Washington Post on the current efforts in DC: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/undermining-mayoral-control-of-dc-schools-wont-make-things-better-for-students/2021/03/07/0fcb87d4-7bbf-11eb-b3d1-9e5aa3d5220c_story.html

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First of all - it's "RATIONALE" not "rational"

secondly -- Mayoral control has been an unmitigated failure. Public schools have become politically driven rather than focused on better student outcomes across the board. Thanks for the heads up so I can testify to end Mayoral control.

You'll need to go into a bit more detail about A) what exactly you mean by "politically driven" and B) why ending mayoral control -- and handing over control to an elected school board -- would make it less politically driven? Or do you just mean something like making the Chancellor only dismissable for cause?

I don't "need" to do anything

Educators should drive decision making on policy. Educators should run schools and school boards are far more accountable to citizens than a mayoral appointees. Political appointees cut out meaningful and necessary voices in the process with little real accountability to school communities. I guess there's accountability if you game the boundary system for your own kid, but there's no accountability for failing to deliver better outcomes for students, however desperate the effort to quantify any measurable "success" through questionable metrics (spoiler alert -- rich kids test better than poor kids).

yes you do need to answer the obvious questions if you expect to be taken seriously.

so how does a school board ensure that educators will run schools? it’s an open election. do you think there shouldn’t be a chancellor either? (he’s a political appointee.)

still not hearing anything coherent…

i think this was just an oblique way of saying that she wants WTU members on a board that has power.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There will be a DC Council hearing on October 26 to discuss ending mayoral control of DCPS. Please sign up to testify against ending Mayoral control. There is no rational for ending Mayoral control other than giving more power to outside organizations over DCPS. Nobody has made the case for why the current management of DCPS needs to be change. Indeed - every single other public work is administered directly by the Mayor.

Mayoral control is DIRECTLY related to school reopening after covid. Without mayoral control, I do not believe DCPS would have opened at all last year, similar to SFUSD.

More information:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/chicago-schools-lori-lightfoot-mayoral-control/2021/02/18/ff452110-7158-11eb-93be-c10813e358a2_story.html

This is old research, but it explains the issue of mayoral control of schools, and why it is beneficial:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/news/2013/03/22/57723/top-5-things-to-know-about-mayoral-control-of-schools/

Washington Post on the current efforts in DC: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/undermining-mayoral-control-of-dc-schools-wont-make-things-better-for-students/2021/03/07/0fcb87d4-7bbf-11eb-b3d1-9e5aa3d5220c_story.html

You can sign up to submit written or oral testimony here: Sign up here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdUODdcp7a-VInaR5aSlR4_wEqL46YZ4bj65-LjKWTXMowpZQ/viewform?fbzx=-6710434939403137657

First of all - it's "RATIONALE" not "rational"

secondly -- Mayoral control has been an unmitigated failure. Public schools have become politically driven rather than focused on better student outcomes across the board. Thanks for the heads up so I can testify to end Mayoral control.

You'll need to go into a bit more detail about A) what exactly you mean by "politically driven" and B) why ending mayoral control -- and handing over control to an elected school board -- would make it less politically driven? Or do you just mean something like making the Chancellor only dismissable for cause?

DP here. I think it would be a game changer if the chancellor wasn't personally loyal to the next step up. You see zero space between the chancellor and the mayor even when they mayor is full of it (please ask me for examples).

Being voted in by a board would give them space to speak up when there's funny business going on.

the chancellor could be made more independent without a school board. he already has to be approved by the council; a more modest step would be to make him removable for cause. but this is all still theoretical because nobody has pointed to any structural problems with mayoral control in any coherent way.

[Anonymous]

imma get banned for saying that, arent i

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SAVE MAYORAL CONTROL is basically Vote Ferebee. I thought that was what we were against?

no “we” are not against Ferebee. And given that one of the bills would make it HARDER to fire the chancellor, I think you are confused.

disliking Ferebee as a chancellor doesn’t support totally changing the structure of control of DCPS. (plus I’m not so sure what’s wrong with Ferebee.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Given that the school board candidates currently campaign on issues that have nothing to do with their actual responsibilities, I worry a board with real oversight would focus on making a name on a national stage rather than being competent in their actual duties just like council seems more concerned about posturing on national issues than solving local problems.

exactly. and we would have 5 or 7 of them, all grandstanding and peacocking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:imma get banned for saying that, arent i

well I think it’s the obvious implication of “end mayoral control.” nobody can really point to anything else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There will be a DC Council hearing on October 26 to discuss ending mayoral control of DCPS. Please sign up to testify against ending Mayoral control. There is no rational for ending Mayoral control other than giving more power to outside organizations over DCPS. Nobody has made the case for why the current management of DCPS needs to be change. Indeed - every single other public work is administered directly by the Mayor.

Mayoral control is DIRECTLY related to school reopening after covid. Without mayoral control, I do not believe DCPS would have opened at all last year, similar to SFUSD.

More information:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/chicago-schools-lori-lightfoot-mayoral-control/2021/02/18/ff452110-7158-11eb-93be-c10813e358a2_story.html

This is old research, but it explains the issue of mayoral control of schools, and why it is beneficial:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/news/2013/03/22/57723/top-5-things-to-know-about-mayoral-control-of-schools/

Washington Post on the current efforts in DC: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/undermining-mayoral-control-of-dc-schools-wont-make-things-better-for-students/2021/03/07/0fcb87d4-7bbf-11eb-b3d1-9e5aa3d5220c_story.html

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First of all - it's "RATIONALE" not "rational"

secondly -- Mayoral control has been an unmitigated failure. Public schools have become politically driven rather than focused on better student outcomes across the board. Thanks for the heads up so I can testify to end Mayoral control.

You'll need to go into a bit more detail about A) what exactly you mean by "politically driven" and B) why ending mayoral control -- and handing over control to an elected school board -- would make it less politically driven? Or do you just mean something like making the Chancellor only dismissable for cause?

DP here. I think it would be a game changer if the chancellor wasn't personally loyal to the next step up. You see zero space between the chancellor and the mayor even when they mayor is full of it (please ask me for examples).

Being voted in by a board would give them space to speak up when there's funny business going on.

the chancellor could be made more independent without a school board. he already has to be approved by the council; a more modest step would be to make him removable for cause. but this is all still theoretical because nobody has pointed to any structural problems with mayoral control in any coherent way.

No one has proven that mayoral control is really needed when other places handle schools just fine with a school board.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There will be a DC Council hearing on October 26 to discuss ending mayoral control of DCPS. Please sign up to testify against ending Mayoral control. There is no rational for ending Mayoral control other than giving more power to outside organizations over DCPS. Nobody has made the case for why the current management of DCPS needs to be change. Indeed - every single other public work is administered directly by the Mayor.

Mayoral control is DIRECTLY related to school reopening after covid. Without mayoral control, I do not believe DCPS would have opened at all last year, similar to SFUSD.

More information:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/chicago-schools-lori-lightfoot-mayoral-control/2021/02/18/ff452110-7158-11eb-93be-c10813e358a2_story.html

This is old research, but it explains the issue of mayoral control of schools, and why it is beneficial:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/news/2013/03/22/57723/top-5-things-to-know-about-mayoral-control-of-schools/

Washington Post on the current efforts in DC: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/undermining-mayoral-control-of-dc-schools-wont-make-things-better-for-students/2021/03/07/0fcb87d4-7bbf-11eb-b3d1-9e5aa3d5220c_story.html

You can sign up to submit written or oral testimony here: Sign up here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdUODdcp7a-VInaR5aSlR4_wEqL46YZ4bj65-LjKWTXMowpZQ/viewform?fbzx=-6710434939403137657

First of all - it's "RATIONALE" not "rational"

secondly -- Mayoral control has been an unmitigated failure. Public schools have become politically driven rather than focused on better student outcomes across the board. Thanks for the heads up so I can testify to end Mayoral control.

You'll need to go into a bit more detail about A) what exactly you mean by "politically driven" and B) why ending mayoral control -- and handing over control to an elected school board -- would make it less politically driven? Or do you just mean something like making the Chancellor only dismissable for cause?

DP here. I think it would be a game changer if the chancellor wasn't personally loyal to the next step up. You see zero space between the chancellor and the mayor even when they mayor is full of it (please ask me for examples).

Being voted in by a board would give them space to speak up when there's funny business going on.

the chancellor could be made more independent without a school board. he already has to be approved by the council; a more modest step would be to make him removable for cause. but this is all still theoretical because nobody has pointed to any structural problems with mayoral control in any coherent way.

No one has proven that mayoral control is really needed when other places handle schools just fine with a school board.

except we have mayoral control for a reason - DCPS was in disarray. People proposing to go back to an elected school board have the burden to explain why.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There will be a DC Council hearing on October 26 to discuss ending mayoral control of DCPS. Please sign up to testify against ending Mayoral control. There is no rational for ending Mayoral control other than giving more power to outside organizations over DCPS. Nobody has made the case for why the current management of DCPS needs to be change. Indeed - every single other public work is administered directly by the Mayor.

Mayoral control is DIRECTLY related to school reopening after covid. Without mayoral control, I do not believe DCPS would have opened at all last year, similar to SFUSD.

More information:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/chicago-schools-lori-lightfoot-mayoral-control/2021/02/18/ff452110-7158-11eb-93be-c10813e358a2_story.html

This is old research, but it explains the issue of mayoral control of schools, and why it is beneficial:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/news/2013/03/22/57723/top-5-things-to-know-about-mayoral-control-of-schools/

Washington Post on the current efforts in DC: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/undermining-mayoral-control-of-dc-schools-wont-make-things-better-for-students/2021/03/07/0fcb87d4-7bbf-11eb-b3d1-9e5aa3d5220c_story.html

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First of all - it's "RATIONALE" not "rational"

secondly -- Mayoral control has been an unmitigated failure. Public schools have become politically driven rather than focused on better student outcomes across the board. Thanks for the heads up so I can testify to end Mayoral control.

You'll need to go into a bit more detail about A) what exactly you mean by "politically driven" and B) why ending mayoral control -- and handing over control to an elected school board -- would make it less politically driven? Or do you just mean something like making the Chancellor only dismissable for cause?

DP here. I think it would be a game changer if the chancellor wasn't personally loyal to the next step up. You see zero space between the chancellor and the mayor even when they mayor is full of it (please ask me for examples).

Being voted in by a board would give them space to speak up when there's funny business going on.

the chancellor could be made more independent without a school board. he already has to be approved by the council; a more modest step would be to make him removable for cause. but this is all still theoretical because nobody has pointed to any structural problems with mayoral control in any coherent way.

No one has proven that mayoral control is really needed when other places handle schools just fine with a school board.

"Proven"? God forbid we get into some pendantic argument about what proof entails in this context, but at the least people can support reasons why we should support mayoral control (see the opinion piece from WP you've included in your quote). And there is research on what mayoral control improves (see the other link in your quote).

Now, prove that a school board is better.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There will be a DC Council hearing on October 26 to discuss ending mayoral control of DCPS. Please sign up to testify against ending Mayoral control. There is no rational for ending Mayoral control other than giving more power to outside organizations over DCPS. Nobody has made the case for why the current management of DCPS needs to be change. Indeed - every single other public work is administered directly by the Mayor.

Mayoral control is DIRECTLY related to school reopening after covid. Without mayoral control, I do not believe DCPS would have opened at all last year, similar to SFUSD.

More information:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/chicago-schools-lori-lightfoot-mayoral-control/2021/02/18/ff452110-7158-11eb-93be-c10813e358a2_story.html

This is old research, but it explains the issue of mayoral control of schools, and why it is beneficial:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/news/2013/03/22/57723/top-5-things-to-know-about-mayoral-control-of-schools/

Washington Post on the current efforts in DC: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/undermining-mayoral-control-of-dc-schools-wont-make-things-better-for-students/2021/03/07/0fcb87d4-7bbf-11eb-b3d1-9e5aa3d5220c_story.html

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First of all - it's "RATIONALE" not "rational"

secondly -- Mayoral control has been an unmitigated failure. Public schools have become politically driven rather than focused on better student outcomes across the board. Thanks for the heads up so I can testify to end Mayoral control.

You'll need to go into a bit more detail about A) what exactly you mean by "politically driven" and B) why ending mayoral control -- and handing over control to an elected school board -- would make it less politically driven? Or do you just mean something like making the Chancellor only dismissable for cause?

DP here. I think it would be a game changer if the chancellor wasn't personally loyal to the next step up. You see zero space between the chancellor and the mayor even when they mayor is full of it (please ask me for examples).

Being voted in by a board would give them space to speak up when there's funny business going on.

the chancellor could be made more independent without a school board. he already has to be approved by the council; a more modest step would be to make him removable for cause. but this is all still theoretical because nobody has pointed to any structural problems with mayoral control in any coherent way.

No one has proven that mayoral control is really needed when other places handle schools just fine with a school board.

no no. you have the burden of proof here if you want a change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There will be a DC Council hearing on October 26 to discuss ending mayoral control of DCPS. Please sign up to testify against ending Mayoral control. There is no rational for ending Mayoral control other than giving more power to outside organizations over DCPS. Nobody has made the case for why the current management of DCPS needs to be change. Indeed - every single other public work is administered directly by the Mayor.

Mayoral control is DIRECTLY related to school reopening after covid. Without mayoral control, I do not believe DCPS would have opened at all last year, similar to SFUSD.

More information:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/chicago-schools-lori-lightfoot-mayoral-control/2021/02/18/ff452110-7158-11eb-93be-c10813e358a2_story.html

This is old research, but it explains the issue of mayoral control of schools, and why it is beneficial:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/news/2013/03/22/57723/top-5-things-to-know-about-mayoral-control-of-schools/

Washington Post on the current efforts in DC: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/undermining-mayoral-control-of-dc-schools-wont-make-things-better-for-students/2021/03/07/0fcb87d4-7bbf-11eb-b3d1-9e5aa3d5220c_story.html

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First of all - it's "RATIONALE" not "rational"

secondly -- Mayoral control has been an unmitigated failure. Public schools have become politically driven rather than focused on better student outcomes across the board. Thanks for the heads up so I can testify to end Mayoral control.

You'll need to go into a bit more detail about A) what exactly you mean by "politically driven" and B) why ending mayoral control -- and handing over control to an elected school board -- would make it less politically driven? Or do you just mean something like making the Chancellor only dismissable for cause?

DP here. I think it would be a game changer if the chancellor wasn't personally loyal to the next step up. You see zero space between the chancellor and the mayor even when they mayor is full of it (please ask me for examples).

Being voted in by a board would give them space to speak up when there's funny business going on.

the chancellor could be made more independent without a school board. he already has to be approved by the council; a more modest step would be to make him removable for cause. but this is all still theoretical because nobody has pointed to any structural problems with mayoral control in any coherent way.

No one has proven that mayoral control is really needed when other places handle schools just fine with a school board.

no no. you have the burden of proof here if you want a change.

You can choose what you want to believe. There's no rule about who has to prove what. If you really like how the school system is run now then keep pressing for the status quo.