Why does the State of Michigan allow its flagship UMich to be 50% out of state students?

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Anonymous wrote:The need to the out of state money to prop up their highly rated graduate programs. It's those programs which give the perception of quality undergrad programs (preception, versus reality). It's called the "halo effect."

Bull****. Berkley, UCLA, UNC, UVA, UT all have at least 75% in-state undergraduates and all of their prestige grad programs remain world class. The state of Michigan is being robbed.

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Anonymous wrote:The need to the out of state money to prop up their highly rated graduate programs. It's those programs which give the perception of quality undergrad programs (preception, versus reality). It's called the "halo effect."

Bull****. Berkley, UCLA, UNC, UVA, UT all have at least 75% in-state undergraduates and all of their prestige grad programs remain world class. The state of Michigan is being robbed.

UVA is less than 75% in-state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apparently UMich at Ann Arbor is well over 50% out of state students if you factor in the graduate students. The Cal System was sued for this and it wasn't anywhere near this bad – it was merely creeping up to 25% out of state at some of the campuses. Now Berkley and UCLA are less than 20% out of state. UNC is 18% out of state. UVA is 30% out of state. Seems like Michigan has allowed its flagship they built up over 200 years to be subverted and stolen out from under them.

WSJ: University of California to Admit Fewer Out-of-State Students
UCLA, UC Berkeley and UC San Diego to reduce out-of-state enrollment to 18% from nearly 23%
https://www.wsj.com/articles/university-of-california-to-admit-fewer-out-of-state-students-11624923789

And don't factor them in. When state legislators tend to look at access for residents and state funding, they are for the most part looking at ugrad programs

[Anonymous]

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/out-of-state-public-university/

U Mich has 40% admit rate for in state students and 20 % for out of state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/out-of-state-public-university/

U Mich has 40% admit rate for in state students and 20 % for out of state.

Yes and it’s rates of out of state students is actually considerably lower than many other public universities, including U Maryland.

https://www.collegexpress.com/lists/list/percentage-of-out-of-state-students-at-public-universities/360/

[Anonymous]

OP, are you a Michigan resident? What exactly is your beef, here?

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Anonymous wrote:University of Michigan has always been prestigious because of engineering, research, and all the state's automotive and manufacturing fortunes from 1900 to 1980. Detroit was basically Silicon Valley of the early and mid 20th century. The college's reputation has literally nothing to do with full-pay New Jersey, Long Island and DMV kids. And if 40% of them disappeared tomorrow, the university would remain top rung.

if 40% disappeared, there would be an enormous revenue shortfall and the university's reputation would suffer when the cuts started to close the gap

Exactly. If 40% is gone, the school will have to immediately shut down a great portion of its programs and let go of staff and/or professors.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's a way to ensure it remains a world-class institution whose reputation transcends its location. Not every state has the same profile as California.

Somehow North Carolina and University of Virginia remain world class with 80% and 75%, respectively, in-state.

UT Austin is 90% in-state.

That poster about the MI student profile is FOS. It's all about money.

Is it?

Aren’t there a lot more Asians and Jews at Michigan as a percentage of the student body compared to other top publics, especially when controlled for the underlying in-state environment?

Unc is not world class. It’s known for MJ and school colors making for nice Nike sneaker colors. Be serious.

Uva is stronger but Michigan is way more known in European and Asian major cities.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's a way to ensure it remains a world-class institution whose reputation transcends its location. Not every state has the same profile as California.

Somehow North Carolina and University of Virginia remain world class with 80% and 75%, respectively, in-state.

UT Austin is 90% in-state.

That poster about the MI student profile is FOS. It's all about money.

Is it?

Aren’t there a lot more Asians and Jews at Michigan as a percentage of the student body compared to other top publics, especially when controlled for the underlying in-state environment?

Unc is not world class. It’s known for MJ and school colors making for nice Nike sneaker colors. Be serious.

Uva is stronger but Michigan is way more known in European and Asian major cities.

Schools like UCLA have a much higher Asian enrollment on a percentage basis. Not sure either UNC or UVA is really world class.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's a way to ensure it remains a world-class institution whose reputation transcends its location. Not every state has the same profile as California.

Somehow North Carolina and University of Virginia remain world class with 80% and 75%, respectively, in-state.

UT Austin is 90% in-state.

That poster about the MI student profile is FOS. It's all about money.

Is it?

Aren’t there a lot more Asians and Jews at Michigan as a percentage of the student body compared to other top publics, especially when controlled for the underlying in-state environment?

Unc is not world class. It’s known for MJ and school colors making for nice Nike sneaker colors. Be serious.

Uva is stronger but Michigan is way more known in European and Asian major cities.

Schools like UCLA have a much higher Asian enrollment on a percentage basis. Not sure either UNC or UVA is really world class.

I didn’t include California schools naturally given Asian % in state in Cali is much more Asian.

Though I’d be interested to see even if that is true as I noted if you adjusted for the underlying environment.

Looked it up just now — so it seems that UCLA is 1/3 Asian (maybe even less depending on data source) but California is 15% Asian.

U Michigan is 13% Asian but Michigan as a state is 4 % Asian….

…so yeah, U Michigan is def more welcoming of asians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's a way to ensure it remains a world-class institution whose reputation transcends its location. Not every state has the same profile as California.

Somehow North Carolina and University of Virginia remain world class with 80% and 75%, respectively, in-state.

UT Austin is 90% in-state.

That poster about the MI student profile is FOS. It's all about money.

Is it?

Aren’t there a lot more Asians and Jews at Michigan as a percentage of the student body compared to other top publics, especially when controlled for the underlying in-state environment?

Unc is not world class. It’s known for MJ and school colors making for nice Nike sneaker colors. Be serious.

Uva is stronger but Michigan is way more known in European and Asian major cities.

Schools like UCLA have a much higher Asian enrollment on a percentage basis. Not sure either UNC or UVA is really world class.

I didn’t include California schools naturally given Asian % in state in Cali is much more Asian.

Though I’d be interested to see even if that is true as I noted if you adjusted for the underlying environment.

Looked it up just now — so it seems that UCLA is 1/3 Asian (maybe even less depending on data source) but California is 15% Asian.

U Michigan is 13% Asian but Michigan as a state is 4 % Asian….

…so yeah, U Michigan is def more welcoming of asians.

UM is welcoming of high stat kids to try to improve its rankings. The state of Michigan is 14% African American and UM has an enrollment that is 4.25% black.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's a way to ensure it remains a world-class institution whose reputation transcends its location. Not every state has the same profile as California.

Somehow North Carolina and University of Virginia remain world class with 80% and 75%, respectively, in-state.

UT Austin is 90% in-state.

That poster about the MI student profile is FOS. It's all about money.

Is it?

Aren’t there a lot more Asians and Jews at Michigan as a percentage of the student body compared to other top publics, especially when controlled for the underlying in-state environment?

Unc is not world class. It’s known for MJ and school colors making for nice Nike sneaker colors. Be serious.

Uva is stronger but Michigan is way more known in European and Asian major cities.

Schools like UCLA have a much higher Asian enrollment on a percentage basis. Not sure either UNC or UVA is really world class.

I didn’t include California schools naturally given Asian % in state in Cali is much more Asian.

Though I’d be interested to see even if that is true as I noted if you adjusted for the underlying environment.

Looked it up just now — so it seems that UCLA is 1/3 Asian (maybe even less depending on data source) but California is 15% Asian.

U Michigan is 13% Asian but Michigan as a state is 4 % Asian….

…so yeah, U Michigan is def more welcoming of asians.

UM is welcoming of high stat kids to try to improve its rankings. The state of Michigan is 14% African American and UM has an enrollment that is 4.25% black.

I think this whole discussion started with a pp saying Michigan historically has been a school that takes in kids that other schools don’t want —

Which is true. Other schools don’t want high scoring ORMs. Michigan welcomes them.

Michigan’s black enrollment isn’t so different form uva — uva is 7% black but Virginia is 20% black as a state.

[Anonymous]

Have you been to Michigan? It’s a craphole. The in-state kids are dumb as rocks. State is losing population left and right. They need smart out of state kids with $$$ who can boost up Meatchicken’s rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's a way to ensure it remains a world-class institution whose reputation transcends its location. Not every state has the same profile as California.

Somehow North Carolina and University of Virginia remain world class with 80% and 75%, respectively, in-state.

UT Austin is 90% in-state.

That poster about the MI student profile is FOS. It's all about money.

Is it?

Aren’t there a lot more Asians and Jews at Michigan as a percentage of the student body compared to other top publics, especially when controlled for the underlying in-state environment?

Unc is not world class. It’s known for MJ and school colors making for nice Nike sneaker colors. Be serious.

Uva is stronger but Michigan is way more known in European and Asian major cities.

Schools like UCLA have a much higher Asian enrollment on a percentage basis. Not sure either UNC or UVA is really world class.

I didn’t include California schools naturally given Asian % in state in Cali is much more Asian.

Though I’d be interested to see even if that is true as I noted if you adjusted for the underlying environment.

Looked it up just now — so it seems that UCLA is 1/3 Asian (maybe even less depending on data source) but California is 15% Asian.

U Michigan is 13% Asian but Michigan as a state is 4 % Asian….

…so yeah, U Michigan is def more welcoming of asians.

UM is welcoming of high stat kids to try to improve its rankings. The state of Michigan is 14% African American and UM has an enrollment that is 4.25% black.

I think this whole discussion started with a pp saying Michigan historically has been a school that takes in kids that other schools don’t want —

Which is true. Other schools don’t want high scoring ORMs. Michigan welcomes them.

Michigan’s black enrollment isn’t so different form uva — uva is 7% black but Virginia is 20% black as a state.

Yes. Both terrible in that regard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, are you a Michigan resident? What exactly is your beef, here?

It's just astonishing a state flagship has been stolen from residents. State flagships are cultivated over centuries for residents, not carpetbaggers. It does not benefit the state of Michigan what-so-ever to give 25,000 seats at the undergraduate college to non-residents. 99% of these 25,000 flee the state immediately after graduation.

And spare me the ranking B.S. Nobody but pathetic insecure strivers give a darn about fake U.S. News rankings. And were UMich to become 75% in-state instead of 50-50, it wouldn't fall but a handful of spots. The university's power and clout is not dependent on obnoxious frat boys from Long Island and New Jersey.