ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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So has ANYONE received a direct update from their ECNL director? Has any ECNL club given any indication of moving to school year 25/26? If so, please state your location.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldnt you want to change ASAP?

Because change will take a long time. There are too many things that get screwed up by no careful planning. Trapped players is not an issue soccer cares about. I know the parents care but soccer does not.

Idk, seems like it could be solved in a few weeks. Players come and go on teams on a daily basis and at the end of the day, it's kids playing soccer against other kids. This isn't rocket surgery.

Can you answer right now every question that will come from every club? Because until they think they have that it would never go live. That is six moths of work. It kind of is rocket science.

It wasn’t rocket science 7 years ago and we all lived. You don’t have to have the answer to every question. And geez if you can’t figure it out in 9 months we have bigger problems.

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Anonymous wrote:We have to wait for eastern Nebraska soccer club to leak it on MySpace.

lol. This is post entire reason I still check here.

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Anonymous wrote:We have to wait for eastern Nebraska soccer club to leak it on MySpace.

u win

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I contemplated claiming the organization and then posting all sorts of fun things....

https://www.sportsengine.com/org/eastern-nebraska-soccer-association

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Anonymous wrote:So has ANYONE received a direct update from their ECNL director? Has any ECNL club given any indication of moving to school year 25/26? If so, please state your location.

As of now our director says everything staying the same until Fall 26 but US club will be SY cutoffs.

NorCal ECNL

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Get ready for the podcast tomorrow.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if they didn’t recommend it. If they just say “we’re going SY in 26/27 with 8/1” most clubs would just do it for next year anyway and play the teams up. For sure all the pre ECNL Ulittles who are all playing up anyway, and the 12s who are about to be trapped next year.

The only exceptions would be maybe teams with a legit chance at a national title next year. Everyone else would want to set themselves up for better performances the following year(s). Plus as everyone has stated it’s probably not that much player movement anyway.

Pre-ECNL U littles are not all playing up. Take northern VA they are in a ECRL Pre-Regional League. They play their league games but except for maybe the top couple of clubs for tournaments they absolutly play their current age. In this imagined scenerio where this league would be SY what happens to all of their clubs other teams that play in a different league that is still BY?

They can bury their heads and play the final season as a BY squad and get killed come next year.

I think this is pretty straight forward. If your club wants to get a jump on things they can, if they don't want to they don't have to. So you can either keep your 14s together on a pre-ecnl team and play them U12 next year, or you can move a couple of fall birthday 13s in with them and play them up U13. In my kids club they would probably look at that as a team by team, league by league decision to see whats best. My youngest girl has already played this year as a 2014 in U11 league with a 2015 on the roster, as a 2014 mixed with 2013s on a pre-ecnl team, and in tournaments both U-11 and U-12 depending on the level of competition.

So current 2014s would skip a year of 9v9 if their club decides to do to SY and play them up in U13 for next fall. Ugh. My kid is a June 2014 birthday on a pre ECNL team and I think that’s too big of a jump for them. I’d rather this take effect the following year when it’s going to 11v11 anyway. I know some of your kids are good enough to skip a year like that, but mine needs that time. I hope there do end up being viable BY and SY options in the long run because if not this year then late spring/early summer 2015s are going to have this same problem…

And do this en masse and watch the serious injuries roll in on a far higher scale and much earlier for players. Serious injuries in youth soccer is already a problem - it will just become worse if everybody is forced to compete at older (and more experienced) ages. Hopefully a lot more thought and planning goes into solutions for transition than the very reckless idea of ‘everybody can just play up’.

Dumb head, ECNL can just play in their own showcase which most ECNL teams already do anyway.

Hey dumb head.

Many clubs make a lot of $$$ from tournaments that teams from different leagues attend. What you're advocating for is to just throw all that in the trash and let ECNL completely take that market over with showcases

they already do. no other tournaments compete with ECNL and it will only get worse for the other leagues. GA comes close but there are only a few teams in GA worth recruiting. GA=RL

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Anonymous wrote:Even if they didn’t recommend it. If they just say “we’re going SY in 26/27 with 8/1” most clubs would just do it for next year anyway and play the teams up. For sure all the pre ECNL Ulittles who are all playing up anyway, and the 12s who are about to be trapped next year.

The only exceptions would be maybe teams with a legit chance at a national title next year. Everyone else would want to set themselves up for better performances the following year(s). Plus as everyone has stated it’s probably not that much player movement anyway.

Pre-ECNL U littles are not all playing up. Take northern VA they are in a ECRL Pre-Regional League. They play their league games but except for maybe the top couple of clubs for tournaments they absolutly play their current age. In this imagined scenerio where this league would be SY what happens to all of their clubs other teams that play in a different league that is still BY?

They can bury their heads and play the final season as a BY squad and get killed come next year.

I think this is pretty straight forward. If your club wants to get a jump on things they can, if they don't want to they don't have to. So you can either keep your 14s together on a pre-ecnl team and play them U12 next year, or you can move a couple of fall birthday 13s in with them and play them up U13. In my kids club they would probably look at that as a team by team, league by league decision to see whats best. My youngest girl has already played this year as a 2014 in U11 league with a 2015 on the roster, as a 2014 mixed with 2013s on a pre-ecnl team, and in tournaments both U-11 and U-12 depending on the level of competition.

So current 2014s would skip a year of 9v9 if their club decides to do to SY and play them up in U13 for next fall. Ugh. My kid is a June 2014 birthday on a pre ECNL team and I think that’s too big of a jump for them. I’d rather this take effect the following year when it’s going to 11v11 anyway. I know some of your kids are good enough to skip a year like that, but mine needs that time. I hope there do end up being viable BY and SY options in the long run because if not this year then late spring/early summer 2015s are going to have this same problem…

And do this en masse and watch the serious injuries roll in on a far higher scale and much earlier for players. Serious injuries in youth soccer is already a problem - it will just become worse if everybody is forced to compete at older (and more experienced) ages. Hopefully a lot more thought and planning goes into solutions for transition than the very reckless idea of ‘everybody can just play up’.

Dumb head, ECNL can just play in their own showcase which most ECNL teams already do anyway.

Hey dumb head.

Many clubs make a lot of $$$ from tournaments that teams from different leagues attend. What you're advocating for is to just throw all that in the trash and let ECNL completely take that market over with showcases

they already do. no other tournaments compete with ECNL and it will only get worse for the other leagues. GA comes close but there are only a few teams in GA worth recruiting. GA=RL

Ugh numbnut...

What I'm saying is that regardless of league you don't want to throw away local club tournaments. This is a major revenue creator.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if they didn’t recommend it. If they just say “we’re going SY in 26/27 with 8/1” most clubs would just do it for next year anyway and play the teams up. For sure all the pre ECNL Ulittles who are all playing up anyway, and the 12s who are about to be trapped next year.

The only exceptions would be maybe teams with a legit chance at a national title next year. Everyone else would want to set themselves up for better performances the following year(s). Plus as everyone has stated it’s probably not that much player movement anyway.

Pre-ECNL U littles are not all playing up. Take northern VA they are in a ECRL Pre-Regional League. They play their league games but except for maybe the top couple of clubs for tournaments they absolutly play their current age. In this imagined scenerio where this league would be SY what happens to all of their clubs other teams that play in a different league that is still BY?

They can bury their heads and play the final season as a BY squad and get killed come next year.

I think this is pretty straight forward. If your club wants to get a jump on things they can, if they don't want to they don't have to. So you can either keep your 14s together on a pre-ecnl team and play them U12 next year, or you can move a couple of fall birthday 13s in with them and play them up U13. In my kids club they would probably look at that as a team by team, league by league decision to see whats best. My youngest girl has already played this year as a 2014 in U11 league with a 2015 on the roster, as a 2014 mixed with 2013s on a pre-ecnl team, and in tournaments both U-11 and U-12 depending on the level of competition.

So current 2014s would skip a year of 9v9 if their club decides to do to SY and play them up in U13 for next fall. Ugh. My kid is a June 2014 birthday on a pre ECNL team and I think that’s too big of a jump for them. I’d rather this take effect the following year when it’s going to 11v11 anyway. I know some of your kids are good enough to skip a year like that, but mine needs that time. I hope there do end up being viable BY and SY options in the long run because if not this year then late spring/early summer 2015s are going to have this same problem…

And do this en masse and watch the serious injuries roll in on a far higher scale and much earlier for players. Serious injuries in youth soccer is already a problem - it will just become worse if everybody is forced to compete at older (and more experienced) ages. Hopefully a lot more thought and planning goes into solutions for transition than the very reckless idea of ‘everybody can just play up’.

Dumb head, ECNL can just play in their own showcase which most ECNL teams already do anyway.

Hey dumb head.

Many clubs make a lot of $$$ from tournaments that teams from different leagues attend. What you're advocating for is to just throw all that in the trash and let ECNL completely take that market over with showcases

they already do. no other tournaments compete with ECNL and it will only get worse for the other leagues. GA comes close but there are only a few teams in GA worth recruiting. GA=RL

Ugh numbnut...

What I'm saying is that regardless of league you don't want to throw away local club tournaments. This is a major revenue creator.

Also, I'd love if my kids GA team went out there and cleaned up.

But unfortunately they've reached the age where it no longer matters and everything is about showcases. Which are pretty nice for top GA clubs.

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Anonymous wrote:Get ready for the podcast tomorrow.

12:00 PM Eastern. No interruptions allowed. Noise cancelling headphones, blocked work calendar, note pad and pen in hand. I’m ready.

[Anonymous]

So much for the college soccer truth leak

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Anonymous wrote:Even if they didn’t recommend it. If they just say “we’re going SY in 26/27 with 8/1” most clubs would just do it for next year anyway and play the teams up. For sure all the pre ECNL Ulittles who are all playing up anyway, and the 12s who are about to be trapped next year.

The only exceptions would be maybe teams with a legit chance at a national title next year. Everyone else would want to set themselves up for better performances the following year(s). Plus as everyone has stated it’s probably not that much player movement anyway.

Pre-ECNL U littles are not all playing up. Take northern VA they are in a ECRL Pre-Regional League. They play their league games but except for maybe the top couple of clubs for tournaments they absolutly play their current age. In this imagined scenerio where this league would be SY what happens to all of their clubs other teams that play in a different league that is still BY?

They can bury their heads and play the final season as a BY squad and get killed come next year.

I think this is pretty straight forward. If your club wants to get a jump on things they can, if they don't want to they don't have to. So you can either keep your 14s together on a pre-ecnl team and play them U12 next year, or you can move a couple of fall birthday 13s in with them and play them up U13. In my kids club they would probably look at that as a team by team, league by league decision to see whats best. My youngest girl has already played this year as a 2014 in U11 league with a 2015 on the roster, as a 2014 mixed with 2013s on a pre-ecnl team, and in tournaments both U-11 and U-12 depending on the level of competition.

So current 2014s would skip a year of 9v9 if their club decides to do to SY and play them up in U13 for next fall. Ugh. My kid is a June 2014 birthday on a pre ECNL team and I think that’s too big of a jump for them. I’d rather this take effect the following year when it’s going to 11v11 anyway. I know some of your kids are good enough to skip a year like that, but mine needs that time. I hope there do end up being viable BY and SY options in the long run because if not this year then late spring/early summer 2015s are going to have this same problem…

They'd only HAVE to play up if it's a random tournament (and most pre-ECNL U12 teams play up either late fall or early spring). Otherwise, they'd just be in the same pre-ECNL league but with 2013s joining.

Sorry but I am confused. If there is no official change to the cutoff dates for 2025-26, but clubs decide to form teams based on SY anyway, then my child's team would consist of players born between August 2013 and July 2014. Wouldn't such a team have to play U13 and hence 11v11 for all their games in fall 2025 because the 2013 players would be too old for U12 under the current rules? I don't see that being very good for most of the 2014 kids' development, at least not on my child's team.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldnt you want to change ASAP?

Because change will take a long time. There are too many things that get screwed up by no careful planning. Trapped players is not an issue soccer cares about. I know the parents care but soccer does not.

Idk, seems like it could be solved in a few weeks. Players come and go on teams on a daily basis and at the end of the day, it's kids playing soccer against other kids. This isn't rocket surgery.

Can you answer right now every question that will come from every club? Because until they think they have that it would never go live. That is six moths of work. It kind of is rocket science.

It wasn’t rocket science 7 years ago and we all lived. You don’t have to have the answer to every question. And geez if you can’t figure it out in 9 months we have bigger problems.

They spent six month with the switch years ago planning before it became public. Why do think this will be quicker? And no it cannot be worked through quickly.

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Anonymous wrote:Get ready for the podcast tomorrow.

12:00 PM Eastern. No interruptions allowed. Noise cancelling headphones, blocked work calendar, note pad and pen in hand. I’m ready.

What if they do not even mention it?