Epstein Files

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A number of responses to my post have entirely misconstrued what I wrote, so I’m not sure it’s worth arguing.

If you are dismayed by child marriage, do something about ending it where you live - because it’s still happening at an alarming rate. https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-in-the-u-s/

I very clearly stated that the Epstein case is disgusting because it is TRAFFICKING of human beings, which is disgusting at any age but particularly when the victims are young and vulnerable for any number of reasons.

Nevertheless, it is NOT pedophilia for 18+ year old men and women to be sexually attracted to 14-19 year old boys and girls. Those who argue that it is have a beef with basic biology and also with the entire psychological/psychiatric professional globally.

Much of our advertising and entertainment industry utilizes later teenage bodies to sell products and media, and tens of millions of Americans feel sexual feelings looking at those younger but sexually mature bodies. Again, we are primates and these are basic biological urges. It is not warped or sick to be attracted to a sexually mature human being.

And again as I already said, acting on that attraction is a different thing. If there is love and nurture in a real relationship involved, it isn’t always a horrible thing.

Certainly most of you wouldn’t want your 19 or 20 year old son to be called a pedophile for falling in love/lust with a 15 or 16 year old girl, which happens all the time in the real world - in part because boys mentally mature much more slowly than girls at those ages.

And the other example I gave, Celine Dion who met her husband when she was 12 and he was decades older. They didn’t marry until she was 20 and I’m sure they didn’t have physical relations until she was late teens, but I have little doubt he sexually admired her 15, 16, 17 year old body. He also loved her dearly and they had by all accounts a wonderful marriage into which they brought multiple children. Was he a sick twisted pedophile?

I’d love nothing more than to see every last person who assisted Epstein in his trafficking scheme be held accountable, including bankers who helped him launder money etc. At very least these people should be outed and ostracized, because it’s likely for many of the crimes the SOL has run.

How old were Epstein and Trump ( and summers and pulte and ehud Barack, etc) when these events transpired
though?

Were they 19 and 20 year old college kids?

No? Say again? They were well past middle age, you say?

I understand what pp is saying. Precision of language matters. Know what terms mean if you’re going to use them. Epstein and friends engaged in trafficking, rape, coercion. They are vile, disgusting people who committed crimes and traumatised who know how many vulnerable teenagers. It doesn’t have to be ‘Pedophilia” to be disgusting. What they did was disgusting and criminal on its own terms. You don’t have to throw a term around that doesn’t actually apply to somehow make it criminal.

Yeah, and you can do that without also going off on natural body urges and how normal he is for getting sexually excited by a 14 year old junior high schooler.

I can smell the flop sweat stink from here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A number of responses to my post have entirely misconstrued what I wrote, so I’m not sure it’s worth arguing.

If you are dismayed by child marriage, do something about ending it where you live - because it’s still happening at an alarming rate. https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-in-the-u-s/

I very clearly stated that the Epstein case is disgusting because it is TRAFFICKING of human beings, which is disgusting at any age but particularly when the victims are young and vulnerable for any number of reasons.

Nevertheless, it is NOT pedophilia for 18+ year old men and women to be sexually attracted to 14-19 year old boys and girls. Those who argue that it is have a beef with basic biology and also with the entire psychological/psychiatric professional globally.

Much of our advertising and entertainment industry utilizes later teenage bodies to sell products and media, and tens of millions of Americans feel sexual feelings looking at those younger but sexually mature bodies. Again, we are primates and these are basic biological urges. It is not warped or sick to be attracted to a sexually mature human being.

And again as I already said, acting on that attraction is a different thing. If there is love and nurture in a real relationship involved, it isn’t always a horrible thing.

Certainly most of you wouldn’t want your 19 or 20 year old son to be called a pedophile for falling in love/lust with a 15 or 16 year old girl, which happens all the time in the real world - in part because boys mentally mature much more slowly than girls at those ages.

And the other example I gave, Celine Dion who met her husband when she was 12 and he was decades older. They didn’t marry until she was 20 and I’m sure they didn’t have physical relations until she was late teens, but I have little doubt he sexually admired her 15, 16, 17 year old body. He also loved her dearly and they had by all accounts a wonderful marriage into which they brought multiple children. Was he a sick twisted pedophile?

I’d love nothing more than to see every last person who assisted Epstein in his trafficking scheme be held accountable, including bankers who helped him launder money etc. At very least these people should be outed and ostracized, because it’s likely for many of the crimes the SOL has run.

How old were Epstein and Trump ( and summers and pulte and ehud Barack, etc) when these events transpired
though?

Were they 19 and 20 year old college kids?

No? Say again? They were well past middle age, you say?

I understand what pp is saying. Precision of language matters. Know what terms mean if you’re going to use them. Epstein and friends engaged in trafficking, rape, coercion. They are vile, disgusting people who committed crimes and traumatised who know how many vulnerable teenagers. It doesn’t have to be ‘Pedophilia” to be disgusting. What they did was disgusting and criminal on its own terms. You don’t have to throw a term around that doesn’t actually apply to somehow make it criminal.

spare me the “AC-tuallly” energy. The pp you are quoting is pointing out how broke the “you wouldn’t want your 19 year old accused!” anaology is when applied to a gaggle of 60 year old billionaires.

I’m very well aware of the definitions of the terms because I deal with these matters on a professional basis. I do not think it matters even a tiny bit if the general public refers to the as pedophilia.

I’d be interested to know what profession, because no mental health professional of any merit would call it pedophilia - it’s simply not, does not meet the definition in the DSM.

And legal and law enforcement and medical professionals are trained to the same standards as the mental health professionals.

These things aren’t matters of opinion, sorry. You are talking about professions where words mean very specific things and they matter. Lay people and media can say what they will but it doesn’t make it reality.

PP didn’t say that he/she calls it pedophilia, PP said he/she does not think it matters even a tiny bit if the general public refers to it as pedophilia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A number of responses to my post have entirely misconstrued what I wrote, so I’m not sure it’s worth arguing.

If you are dismayed by child marriage, do something about ending it where you live - because it’s still happening at an alarming rate. https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-in-the-u-s/

I very clearly stated that the Epstein case is disgusting because it is TRAFFICKING of human beings, which is disgusting at any age but particularly when the victims are young and vulnerable for any number of reasons.

Nevertheless, it is NOT pedophilia for 18+ year old men and women to be sexually attracted to 14-19 year old boys and girls. Those who argue that it is have a beef with basic biology and also with the entire psychological/psychiatric professional globally.

Much of our advertising and entertainment industry utilizes later teenage bodies to sell products and media, and tens of millions of Americans feel sexual feelings looking at those younger but sexually mature bodies. Again, we are primates and these are basic biological urges. It is not warped or sick to be attracted to a sexually mature human being.

And again as I already said, acting on that attraction is a different thing. If there is love and nurture in a real relationship involved, it isn’t always a horrible thing.

Certainly most of you wouldn’t want your 19 or 20 year old son to be called a pedophile for falling in love/lust with a 15 or 16 year old girl, which happens all the time in the real world - in part because boys mentally mature much more slowly than girls at those ages.

And the other example I gave, Celine Dion who met her husband when she was 12 and he was decades older. They didn’t marry until she was 20 and I’m sure they didn’t have physical relations until she was late teens, but I have little doubt he sexually admired her 15, 16, 17 year old body. He also loved her dearly and they had by all accounts a wonderful marriage into which they brought multiple children. Was he a sick twisted pedophile?

I’d love nothing more than to see every last person who assisted Epstein in his trafficking scheme be held accountable, including bankers who helped him launder money etc. At very least these people should be outed and ostracized, because it’s likely for many of the crimes the SOL has run.

How old were Epstein and Trump ( and summers and pulte and ehud Barack, etc) when these events transpired
though?

Were they 19 and 20 year old college kids?

No? Say again? They were well past middle age, you say?

I understand what pp is saying. Precision of language matters. Know what terms mean if you’re going to use them. Epstein and friends engaged in trafficking, rape, coercion. They are vile, disgusting people who committed crimes and traumatised who know how many vulnerable teenagers. It doesn’t have to be ‘Pedophilia” to be disgusting. What they did was disgusting and criminal on its own terms. You don’t have to throw a term around that doesn’t actually apply to somehow make it criminal.

spare me the “AC-tuallly” energy. The pp you are quoting is pointing out how broke the “you wouldn’t want your 19 year old accused!” anaology is when applied to a gaggle of 60 year old billionaires.

I’m very well aware of the definitions of the terms because I deal with these matters on a professional basis. I do not think it matters even a tiny bit if the general public refers to the as pedophilia.

I’d be interested to know what profession, because no mental health professional of any merit would call it pedophilia - it’s simply not, does not meet the definition in the DSM.

And legal and law enforcement and medical professionals are trained to the same standards as the mental health professionals.

These things aren’t matters of opinion, sorry. You are talking about professions where words mean very specific things and they matter. Lay people and media can say what they will but it doesn’t make it reality.

You can be technically correct, but also tone-deaf. This is what you are, PP. My husband who is on the spectrum can nitpick like this too, and while he's correct 100% of the time, sometimes it's well perceived, and sometimes it comes across really poorly.

Just let it go already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A number of responses to my post have entirely misconstrued what I wrote, so I’m not sure it’s worth arguing.

If you are dismayed by child marriage, do something about ending it where you live - because it’s still happening at an alarming rate. https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-in-the-u-s/

I very clearly stated that the Epstein case is disgusting because it is TRAFFICKING of human beings, which is disgusting at any age but particularly when the victims are young and vulnerable for any number of reasons.

Nevertheless, it is NOT pedophilia for 18+ year old men and women to be sexually attracted to 14-19 year old boys and girls. Those who argue that it is have a beef with basic biology and also with the entire psychological/psychiatric professional globally.

Much of our advertising and entertainment industry utilizes later teenage bodies to sell products and media, and tens of millions of Americans feel sexual feelings looking at those younger but sexually mature bodies. Again, we are primates and these are basic biological urges. It is not warped or sick to be attracted to a sexually mature human being.

And again as I already said, acting on that attraction is a different thing. If there is love and nurture in a real relationship involved, it isn’t always a horrible thing.

Certainly most of you wouldn’t want your 19 or 20 year old son to be called a pedophile for falling in love/lust with a 15 or 16 year old girl, which happens all the time in the real world - in part because boys mentally mature much more slowly than girls at those ages.

And the other example I gave, Celine Dion who met her husband when she was 12 and he was decades older. They didn’t marry until she was 20 and I’m sure they didn’t have physical relations until she was late teens, but I have little doubt he sexually admired her 15, 16, 17 year old body. He also loved her dearly and they had by all accounts a wonderful marriage into which they brought multiple children. Was he a sick twisted pedophile?

I’d love nothing more than to see every last person who assisted Epstein in his trafficking scheme be held accountable, including bankers who helped him launder money etc. At very least these people should be outed and ostracized, because it’s likely for many of the crimes the SOL has run.

How old were Epstein and Trump ( and summers and pulte and ehud Barack, etc) when these events transpired
though?

Were they 19 and 20 year old college kids?

No? Say again? They were well past middle age, you say?

I understand what pp is saying. Precision of language matters. Know what terms mean if you’re going to use them. Epstein and friends engaged in trafficking, rape, coercion. They are vile, disgusting people who committed crimes and traumatised who know how many vulnerable teenagers. It doesn’t have to be ‘Pedophilia” to be disgusting. What they did was disgusting and criminal on its own terms. You don’t have to throw a term around that doesn’t actually apply to somehow make it criminal.

spare me the “AC-tuallly” energy. The pp you are quoting is pointing out how broke the “you wouldn’t want your 19 year old accused!” anaology is when applied to a gaggle of 60 year old billionaires.

I’m very well aware of the definitions of the terms because I deal with these matters on a professional basis. I do not think it matters even a tiny bit if the general public refers to the as pedophilia.

I’d be interested to know what profession, because no mental health professional of any merit would call it pedophilia - it’s simply not, does not meet the definition in the DSM.

And legal and law enforcement and medical professionals are trained to the same standards as the mental health professionals.

These things aren’t matters of opinion, sorry. You are talking about professions where words mean very specific things and they matter. Lay people and media can say what they will but it doesn’t make it reality.

Board certified psychiatrist-and you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Suspicious. Maybe Johnson knows Justice has removed files.

They might be trying to get ahead of more leaks that may make more people vote for release. Including senators.

Oh baby, it’s spun. Johnson thinks he was so clever to close the House and shut down the economy. So everyone stayed home and focused more on Trump and what the GOP in DC is doing.

Beyond watching Trump demolish part of the White House, Americans were able to focus on the Epstein files broadening the interest to everyone instead of just the MAGA faithful.

They're trying to crash the stock market too. Watch banks carefully.

So if Mikey thinks he can sweep this away he’s in for a surprise. Everyone wonders what is so awful that it justified the shutdown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A number of responses to my post have entirely misconstrued what I wrote, so I’m not sure it’s worth arguing.

If you are dismayed by child marriage, do something about ending it where you live - because it’s still happening at an alarming rate. https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-in-the-u-s/

I very clearly stated that the Epstein case is disgusting because it is TRAFFICKING of human beings, which is disgusting at any age but particularly when the victims are young and vulnerable for any number of reasons.

Nevertheless, it is NOT pedophilia for 18+ year old men and women to be sexually attracted to 14-19 year old boys and girls. Those who argue that it is have a beef with basic biology and also with the entire psychological/psychiatric professional globally.

Much of our advertising and entertainment industry utilizes later teenage bodies to sell products and media, and tens of millions of Americans feel sexual feelings looking at those younger but sexually mature bodies. Again, we are primates and these are basic biological urges. It is not warped or sick to be attracted to a sexually mature human being.

And again as I already said, acting on that attraction is a different thing. If there is love and nurture in a real relationship involved, it isn’t always a horrible thing.

Certainly most of you wouldn’t want your 19 or 20 year old son to be called a pedophile for falling in love/lust with a 15 or 16 year old girl, which happens all the time in the real world - in part because boys mentally mature much more slowly than girls at those ages.

And the other example I gave, Celine Dion who met her husband when she was 12 and he was decades older. They didn’t marry until she was 20 and I’m sure they didn’t have physical relations until she was late teens, but I have little doubt he sexually admired her 15, 16, 17 year old body. He also loved her dearly and they had by all accounts a wonderful marriage into which they brought multiple children. Was he a sick twisted pedophile?

I’d love nothing more than to see every last person who assisted Epstein in his trafficking scheme be held accountable, including bankers who helped him launder money etc. At very least these people should be outed and ostracized, because it’s likely for many of the crimes the SOL has run.

How old were Epstein and Trump ( and summers and pulte and ehud Barack, etc) when these events transpired
though?

Were they 19 and 20 year old college kids?

No? Say again? They were well past middle age, you say?

I understand what pp is saying. Precision of language matters. Know what terms mean if you’re going to use them. Epstein and friends engaged in trafficking, rape, coercion. They are vile, disgusting people who committed crimes and traumatised who know how many vulnerable teenagers. It doesn’t have to be ‘Pedophilia” to be disgusting. What they did was disgusting and criminal on its own terms. You don’t have to throw a term around that doesn’t actually apply to somehow make it criminal.

spare me the “AC-tuallly” energy. The pp you are quoting is pointing out how broke the “you wouldn’t want your 19 year old accused!” anaology is when applied to a gaggle of 60 year old billionaires.

I’m very well aware of the definitions of the terms because I deal with these matters on a professional basis. I do not think it matters even a tiny bit if the general public refers to the as pedophilia.

I’d be interested to know what profession, because no mental health professional of any merit would call it pedophilia - it’s simply not, does not meet the definition in the DSM.

And legal and law enforcement and medical professionals are trained to the same standards as the mental health professionals.

These things aren’t matters of opinion, sorry. You are talking about professions where words mean very specific things and they matter. Lay people and media can say what they will but it doesn’t make it reality.

PP didn’t say that he/she calls it pedophilia, PP said he/she does not think it matters even a tiny bit if the general public refers to it as pedophilia.

Exactly. Nobody GAF what it's called.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A number of responses to my post have entirely misconstrued what I wrote, so I’m not sure it’s worth arguing.

If you are dismayed by child marriage, do something about ending it where you live - because it’s still happening at an alarming rate. https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-in-the-u-s/

I very clearly stated that the Epstein case is disgusting because it is TRAFFICKING of human beings, which is disgusting at any age but particularly when the victims are young and vulnerable for any number of reasons.

Nevertheless, it is NOT pedophilia for 18+ year old men and women to be sexually attracted to 14-19 year old boys and girls. Those who argue that it is have a beef with basic biology and also with the entire psychological/psychiatric professional globally.

Much of our advertising and entertainment industry utilizes later teenage bodies to sell products and media, and tens of millions of Americans feel sexual feelings looking at those younger but sexually mature bodies. Again, we are primates and these are basic biological urges. It is not warped or sick to be attracted to a sexually mature human being.

And again as I already said, acting on that attraction is a different thing. If there is love and nurture in a real relationship involved, it isn’t always a horrible thing.

Certainly most of you wouldn’t want your 19 or 20 year old son to be called a pedophile for falling in love/lust with a 15 or 16 year old girl, which happens all the time in the real world - in part because boys mentally mature much more slowly than girls at those ages.

And the other example I gave, Celine Dion who met her husband when she was 12 and he was decades older. They didn’t marry until she was 20 and I’m sure they didn’t have physical relations until she was late teens, but I have little doubt he sexually admired her 15, 16, 17 year old body. He also loved her dearly and they had by all accounts a wonderful marriage into which they brought multiple children. Was he a sick twisted pedophile?

I’d love nothing more than to see every last person who assisted Epstein in his trafficking scheme be held accountable, including bankers who helped him launder money etc. At very least these people should be outed and ostracized, because it’s likely for many of the crimes the SOL has run.

How old were Epstein and Trump ( and summers and pulte and ehud Barack, etc) when these events transpired
though?

Were they 19 and 20 year old college kids?

No? Say again? They were well past middle age, you say?

I understand what pp is saying. Precision of language matters. Know what terms mean if you’re going to use them. Epstein and friends engaged in trafficking, rape, coercion. They are vile, disgusting people who committed crimes and traumatised who know how many vulnerable teenagers. It doesn’t have to be ‘Pedophilia” to be disgusting. What they did was disgusting and criminal on its own terms. You don’t have to throw a term around that doesn’t actually apply to somehow make it criminal.

spare me the “AC-tuallly” energy. The pp you are quoting is pointing out how broke the “you wouldn’t want your 19 year old accused!” anaology is when applied to a gaggle of 60 year old billionaires.

I’m very well aware of the definitions of the terms because I deal with these matters on a professional basis. I do not think it matters even a tiny bit if the general public refers to the as pedophilia.

I’d be interested to know what profession, because no mental health professional of any merit would call it pedophilia - it’s simply not, does not meet the definition in the DSM.

And legal and law enforcement and medical professionals are trained to the same standards as the mental health professionals.

These things aren’t matters of opinion, sorry. You are talking about professions where words mean very specific things and they matter. Lay people and media can say what they will but it doesn’t make it reality.

Board certified psychiatrist-and you?

Either you’re lying or you’re without merit as I previously stated.

Actual former child sex crimes prosecutor; I’ve worked with dozens of board certified psychiatrists who specialize in sexual deviancy and none of them would call this conduct pedophilia because it doesn’t meet the standards in the DSM - which if you were a psychiatrist you would well know.

[Anonymous]

Searchable database of the 20,000 files.

https://couriernewsroom.com/news/we-created-a-searchable-database-with-all-20000-files-from-epsteins-estate/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Suspicious. Maybe Johnson knows Justice has removed files.

They might be trying to get ahead of more leaks that may make more people vote for release. Including senators.

That could be.

I’m including this link again because sure the people arguing about the definition of “pedophilia” are cluttering the thread.


Link to searchable database of the 20,000 files

https://couriernewsroom.com/news/we-created-a-searchable-database-with-all-20000-files-from-epsteins-estate/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A number of responses to my post have entirely misconstrued what I wrote, so I’m not sure it’s worth arguing.

If you are dismayed by child marriage, do something about ending it where you live - because it’s still happening at an alarming rate. https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-in-the-u-s/

I very clearly stated that the Epstein case is disgusting because it is TRAFFICKING of human beings, which is disgusting at any age but particularly when the victims are young and vulnerable for any number of reasons.

Nevertheless, it is NOT pedophilia for 18+ year old men and women to be sexually attracted to 14-19 year old boys and girls. Those who argue that it is have a beef with basic biology and also with the entire psychological/psychiatric professional globally.

Much of our advertising and entertainment industry utilizes later teenage bodies to sell products and media, and tens of millions of Americans feel sexual feelings looking at those younger but sexually mature bodies. Again, we are primates and these are basic biological urges. It is not warped or sick to be attracted to a sexually mature human being.

And again as I already said, acting on that attraction is a different thing. If there is love and nurture in a real relationship involved, it isn’t always a horrible thing.

Certainly most of you wouldn’t want your 19 or 20 year old son to be called a pedophile for falling in love/lust with a 15 or 16 year old girl, which happens all the time in the real world - in part because boys mentally mature much more slowly than girls at those ages.

And the other example I gave, Celine Dion who met her husband when she was 12 and he was decades older. They didn’t marry until she was 20 and I’m sure they didn’t have physical relations until she was late teens, but I have little doubt he sexually admired her 15, 16, 17 year old body. He also loved her dearly and they had by all accounts a wonderful marriage into which they brought multiple children. Was he a sick twisted pedophile?

I’d love nothing more than to see every last person who assisted Epstein in his trafficking scheme be held accountable, including bankers who helped him launder money etc. At very least these people should be outed and ostracized, because it’s likely for many of the crimes the SOL has run.

How old were Epstein and Trump ( and summers and pulte and ehud Barack, etc) when these events transpired
though?

Were they 19 and 20 year old college kids?

No? Say again? They were well past middle age, you say?

I understand what pp is saying. Precision of language matters. Know what terms mean if you’re going to use them. Epstein and friends engaged in trafficking, rape, coercion. They are vile, disgusting people who committed crimes and traumatised who know how many vulnerable teenagers. It doesn’t have to be ‘Pedophilia” to be disgusting. What they did was disgusting and criminal on its own terms. You don’t have to throw a term around that doesn’t actually apply to somehow make it criminal.

spare me the “AC-tuallly” energy. The pp you are quoting is pointing out how broke the “you wouldn’t want your 19 year old accused!” anaology is when applied to a gaggle of 60 year old billionaires.

I’m very well aware of the definitions of the terms because I deal with these matters on a professional basis. I do not think it matters even a tiny bit if the general public refers to the as pedophilia.

I’d be interested to know what profession, because no mental health professional of any merit would call it pedophilia - it’s simply not, does not meet the definition in the DSM.

And legal and law enforcement and medical professionals are trained to the same standards as the mental health professionals.

These things aren’t matters of opinion, sorry. You are talking about professions where words mean very specific things and they matter. Lay people and media can say what they will but it doesn’t make it reality.

Board certified psychiatrist-and you?

Either you’re lying or you’re without merit as I previously stated.

Actual former child sex crimes prosecutor; I’ve worked with dozens of board certified psychiatrists who specialize in sexual deviancy and none of them would call this conduct pedophilia because it doesn’t meet the standards in the DSM - which if you were a psychiatrist you would well know.

PP does know. PP also knows -- and states -- that it doesn't matter what the general public calls it in the colloquial sense.

As for me, I'm very willing to say that hanging out on a junior high school playground and finding the 14 year old girls sexually arousing is pretty damn gross and creepy, no matter what word you use for it. The fact that you feel the need to vociferously defend this as totally normal, over and above any technical discussion of accurate terminology, is what bothers me about you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A number of responses to my post have entirely misconstrued what I wrote, so I’m not sure it’s worth arguing.

If you are dismayed by child marriage, do something about ending it where you live - because it’s still happening at an alarming rate. https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-in-the-u-s/

I very clearly stated that the Epstein case is disgusting because it is TRAFFICKING of human beings, which is disgusting at any age but particularly when the victims are young and vulnerable for any number of reasons.

Nevertheless, it is NOT pedophilia for 18+ year old men and women to be sexually attracted to 14-19 year old boys and girls. Those who argue that it is have a beef with basic biology and also with the entire psychological/psychiatric professional globally.

Much of our advertising and entertainment industry utilizes later teenage bodies to sell products and media, and tens of millions of Americans feel sexual feelings looking at those younger but sexually mature bodies. Again, we are primates and these are basic biological urges. It is not warped or sick to be attracted to a sexually mature human being.

And again as I already said, acting on that attraction is a different thing. If there is love and nurture in a real relationship involved, it isn’t always a horrible thing.

Certainly most of you wouldn’t want your 19 or 20 year old son to be called a pedophile for falling in love/lust with a 15 or 16 year old girl, which happens all the time in the real world - in part because boys mentally mature much more slowly than girls at those ages.

And the other example I gave, Celine Dion who met her husband when she was 12 and he was decades older. They didn’t marry until she was 20 and I’m sure they didn’t have physical relations until she was late teens, but I have little doubt he sexually admired her 15, 16, 17 year old body. He also loved her dearly and they had by all accounts a wonderful marriage into which they brought multiple children. Was he a sick twisted pedophile?

I’d love nothing more than to see every last person who assisted Epstein in his trafficking scheme be held accountable, including bankers who helped him launder money etc. At very least these people should be outed and ostracized, because it’s likely for many of the crimes the SOL has run.

How old were Epstein and Trump ( and summers and pulte and ehud Barack, etc) when these events transpired
though?

Were they 19 and 20 year old college kids?

No? Say again? They were well past middle age, you say?

I understand what pp is saying. Precision of language matters. Know what terms mean if you’re going to use them. Epstein and friends engaged in trafficking, rape, coercion. They are vile, disgusting people who committed crimes and traumatised who know how many vulnerable teenagers. It doesn’t have to be ‘Pedophilia” to be disgusting. What they did was disgusting and criminal on its own terms. You don’t have to throw a term around that doesn’t actually apply to somehow make it criminal.

spare me the “AC-tuallly” energy. The pp you are quoting is pointing out how broke the “you wouldn’t want your 19 year old accused!” anaology is when applied to a gaggle of 60 year old billionaires.

I’m very well aware of the definitions of the terms because I deal with these matters on a professional basis. I do not think it matters even a tiny bit if the general public refers to the as pedophilia.

I’d be interested to know what profession, because no mental health professional of any merit would call it pedophilia - it’s simply not, does not meet the definition in the DSM.

And legal and law enforcement and medical professionals are trained to the same standards as the mental health professionals.

These things aren’t matters of opinion, sorry. You are talking about professions where words mean very specific things and they matter. Lay people and media can say what they will but it doesn’t make it reality.

You can be technically correct, but also tone-deaf. This is what you are, PP. My husband who is on the spectrum can nitpick like this too, and while he's correct 100% of the time, sometimes it's well perceived, and sometimes it comes across really poorly.

Just let it go already.

What a laughable post. When it comes to the law, everything is about being technically correct.

You people are ridiculous.

Christ, man. It's still illegal for you to attempt sexual intercourse with a twelve year old.

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Anonymous wrote:A number of responses to my post have entirely misconstrued what I wrote, so I’m not sure it’s worth arguing.

If you are dismayed by child marriage, do something about ending it where you live - because it’s still happening at an alarming rate. https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-in-the-u-s/

I very clearly stated that the Epstein case is disgusting because it is TRAFFICKING of human beings, which is disgusting at any age but particularly when the victims are young and vulnerable for any number of reasons.

Nevertheless, it is NOT pedophilia for 18+ year old men and women to be sexually attracted to 14-19 year old boys and girls. Those who argue that it is have a beef with basic biology and also with the entire psychological/psychiatric professional globally.

Much of our advertising and entertainment industry utilizes later teenage bodies to sell products and media, and tens of millions of Americans feel sexual feelings looking at those younger but sexually mature bodies. Again, we are primates and these are basic biological urges. It is not warped or sick to be attracted to a sexually mature human being.

And again as I already said, acting on that attraction is a different thing. If there is love and nurture in a real relationship involved, it isn’t always a horrible thing.

Certainly most of you wouldn’t want your 19 or 20 year old son to be called a pedophile for falling in love/lust with a 15 or 16 year old girl, which happens all the time in the real world - in part because boys mentally mature much more slowly than girls at those ages.

And the other example I gave, Celine Dion who met her husband when she was 12 and he was decades older. They didn’t marry until she was 20 and I’m sure they didn’t have physical relations until she was late teens, but I have little doubt he sexually admired her 15, 16, 17 year old body. He also loved her dearly and they had by all accounts a wonderful marriage into which they brought multiple children. Was he a sick twisted pedophile?

I’d love nothing more than to see every last person who assisted Epstein in his trafficking scheme be held accountable, including bankers who helped him launder money etc. At very least these people should be outed and ostracized, because it’s likely for many of the crimes the SOL has run.

How old were Epstein and Trump ( and summers and pulte and ehud Barack, etc) when these events transpired
though?

Were they 19 and 20 year old college kids?

No? Say again? They were well past middle age, you say?

I understand what pp is saying. Precision of language matters. Know what terms mean if you’re going to use them. Epstein and friends engaged in trafficking, rape, coercion. They are vile, disgusting people who committed crimes and traumatised who know how many vulnerable teenagers. It doesn’t have to be ‘Pedophilia” to be disgusting. What they did was disgusting and criminal on its own terms. You don’t have to throw a term around that doesn’t actually apply to somehow make it criminal.

spare me the “AC-tuallly” energy. The pp you are quoting is pointing out how broke the “you wouldn’t want your 19 year old accused!” anaology is when applied to a gaggle of 60 year old billionaires.

I’m very well aware of the definitions of the terms because I deal with these matters on a professional basis. I do not think it matters even a tiny bit if the general public refers to the as pedophilia.

I’d be interested to know what profession, because no mental health professional of any merit would call it pedophilia - it’s simply not, does not meet the definition in the DSM.

And legal and law enforcement and medical professionals are trained to the same standards as the mental health professionals.

These things aren’t matters of opinion, sorry. You are talking about professions where words mean very specific things and they matter. Lay people and media can say what they will but it doesn’t make it reality.

Board certified psychiatrist-and you?

Either you’re lying or you’re without merit as I previously stated.

Actual former child sex crimes prosecutor; I’ve worked with dozens of board certified psychiatrists who specialize in sexual deviancy and none of them would call this conduct pedophilia because it doesn’t meet the standards in the DSM - which if you were a psychiatrist you would well know.

PP does know. PP also knows -- and states -- that it doesn't matter what the general public calls it in the colloquial sense.

As for me, I'm very willing to say that hanging out on a junior high school playground and finding the 14 year old girls sexually arousing is pretty damn gross and creepy, no matter what word you use for it. The fact that you feel the need to vociferously defend this as totally normal, over and above any technical discussion of accurate terminology, is what bothers me about you.

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Anonymous wrote:A number of responses to my post have entirely misconstrued what I wrote, so I’m not sure it’s worth arguing.

If you are dismayed by child marriage, do something about ending it where you live - because it’s still happening at an alarming rate. https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-in-the-u-s/

I very clearly stated that the Epstein case is disgusting because it is TRAFFICKING of human beings, which is disgusting at any age but particularly when the victims are young and vulnerable for any number of reasons.

Nevertheless, it is NOT pedophilia for 18+ year old men and women to be sexually attracted to 14-19 year old boys and girls. Those who argue that it is have a beef with basic biology and also with the entire psychological/psychiatric professional globally.

Much of our advertising and entertainment industry utilizes later teenage bodies to sell products and media, and tens of millions of Americans feel sexual feelings looking at those younger but sexually mature bodies. Again, we are primates and these are basic biological urges. It is not warped or sick to be attracted to a sexually mature human being.

And again as I already said, acting on that attraction is a different thing. If there is love and nurture in a real relationship involved, it isn’t always a horrible thing.

Certainly most of you wouldn’t want your 19 or 20 year old son to be called a pedophile for falling in love/lust with a 15 or 16 year old girl, which happens all the time in the real world - in part because boys mentally mature much more slowly than girls at those ages.

And the other example I gave, Celine Dion who met her husband when she was 12 and he was decades older. They didn’t marry until she was 20 and I’m sure they didn’t have physical relations until she was late teens, but I have little doubt he sexually admired her 15, 16, 17 year old body. He also loved her dearly and they had by all accounts a wonderful marriage into which they brought multiple children. Was he a sick twisted pedophile?

I’d love nothing more than to see every last person who assisted Epstein in his trafficking scheme be held accountable, including bankers who helped him launder money etc. At very least these people should be outed and ostracized, because it’s likely for many of the crimes the SOL has run.

How old were Epstein and Trump ( and summers and pulte and ehud Barack, etc) when these events transpired
though?

Were they 19 and 20 year old college kids?

No? Say again? They were well past middle age, you say?

I understand what pp is saying. Precision of language matters. Know what terms mean if you’re going to use them. Epstein and friends engaged in trafficking, rape, coercion. They are vile, disgusting people who committed crimes and traumatised who know how many vulnerable teenagers. It doesn’t have to be ‘Pedophilia” to be disgusting. What they did was disgusting and criminal on its own terms. You don’t have to throw a term around that doesn’t actually apply to somehow make it criminal.

spare me the “AC-tuallly” energy. The pp you are quoting is pointing out how broke the “you wouldn’t want your 19 year old accused!” anaology is when applied to a gaggle of 60 year old billionaires.

I’m very well aware of the definitions of the terms because I deal with these matters on a professional basis. I do not think it matters even a tiny bit if the general public refers to the as pedophilia.

I’d be interested to know what profession, because no mental health professional of any merit would call it pedophilia - it’s simply not, does not meet the definition in the DSM.

And legal and law enforcement and medical professionals are trained to the same standards as the mental health professionals.

These things aren’t matters of opinion, sorry. You are talking about professions where words mean very specific things and they matter. Lay people and media can say what they will but it doesn’t make it reality.

Board certified psychiatrist-and you?

Either you’re lying or you’re without merit as I previously stated.

Actual former child sex crimes prosecutor; I’ve worked with dozens of board certified psychiatrists who specialize in sexual deviancy and none of them would call this conduct pedophilia because it doesn’t meet the standards in the DSM - which if you were a psychiatrist you would well know.

NO. Who the frack cares. Stop high jacking this thread with this nonsense. The general public can make a distinction between a 19 and 15 year old sexual liaison versus a 40 and 15 year old child exploitation involvement. Call it any ‘Philia you want, but the bottom line is that the 40 and 15 year old togetherness is legally, ethically, and morally wrong. Whereas the 19 and 15 year olds together are not.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A number of responses to my post have entirely misconstrued what I wrote, so I’m not sure it’s worth arguing.

If you are dismayed by child marriage, do something about ending it where you live - because it’s still happening at an alarming rate. https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-in-the-u-s/

I very clearly stated that the Epstein case is disgusting because it is TRAFFICKING of human beings, which is disgusting at any age but particularly when the victims are young and vulnerable for any number of reasons.

Nevertheless, it is NOT pedophilia for 18+ year old men and women to be sexually attracted to 14-19 year old boys and girls. Those who argue that it is have a beef with basic biology and also with the entire psychological/psychiatric professional globally.

Much of our advertising and entertainment industry utilizes later teenage bodies to sell products and media, and tens of millions of Americans feel sexual feelings looking at those younger but sexually mature bodies. Again, we are primates and these are basic biological urges. It is not warped or sick to be attracted to a sexually mature human being.

And again as I already said, acting on that attraction is a different thing. If there is love and nurture in a real relationship involved, it isn’t always a horrible thing.

Certainly most of you wouldn’t want your 19 or 20 year old son to be called a pedophile for falling in love/lust with a 15 or 16 year old girl, which happens all the time in the real world - in part because boys mentally mature much more slowly than girls at those ages.

And the other example I gave, Celine Dion who met her husband when she was 12 and he was decades older. They didn’t marry until she was 20 and I’m sure they didn’t have physical relations until she was late teens, but I have little doubt he sexually admired her 15, 16, 17 year old body. He also loved her dearly and they had by all accounts a wonderful marriage into which they brought multiple children. Was he a sick twisted pedophile?

I’d love nothing more than to see every last person who assisted Epstein in his trafficking scheme be held accountable, including bankers who helped him launder money etc. At very least these people should be outed and ostracized, because it’s likely for many of the crimes the SOL has run.

How old were Epstein and Trump ( and summers and pulte and ehud Barack, etc) when these events transpired
though?

Were they 19 and 20 year old college kids?

No? Say again? They were well past middle age, you say?

I understand what pp is saying. Precision of language matters. Know what terms mean if you’re going to use them. Epstein and friends engaged in trafficking, rape, coercion. They are vile, disgusting people who committed crimes and traumatised who know how many vulnerable teenagers. It doesn’t have to be ‘Pedophilia” to be disgusting. What they did was disgusting and criminal on its own terms. You don’t have to throw a term around that doesn’t actually apply to somehow make it criminal.

spare me the “AC-tuallly” energy. The pp you are quoting is pointing out how broke the “you wouldn’t want your 19 year old accused!” anaology is when applied to a gaggle of 60 year old billionaires.

I’m very well aware of the definitions of the terms because I deal with these matters on a professional basis. I do not think it matters even a tiny bit if the general public refers to the as pedophilia.

I’d be interested to know what profession, because no mental health professional of any merit would call it pedophilia - it’s simply not, does not meet the definition in the DSM.

And legal and law enforcement and medical professionals are trained to the same standards as the mental health professionals.

These things aren’t matters of opinion, sorry. You are talking about professions where words mean very specific things and they matter. Lay people and media can say what they will but it doesn’t make it reality.

Board certified psychiatrist-and you?

Either you’re lying or you’re without merit as I previously stated.

Actual former child sex crimes prosecutor; I’ve worked with dozens of board certified psychiatrists who specialize in sexual deviancy and none of them would call this conduct pedophilia because it doesn’t meet the standards in the DSM - which if you were a psychiatrist you would well know.

NO. Who the frack cares. Stop high jacking this thread with this nonsense. The general public can make a distinction between a 19 and 15 year old sexual liaison versus a 40 and 15 year old child exploitation involvement. Call it any ‘Philia you want, but the bottom line is that the 40 and 15 year old togetherness is legally, ethically, and morally wrong. Whereas the 19 and 15 year olds together are not.

Don’t those convicted for having sex with 14 to 17 end up on predators database?

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Anonymous wrote:Searchable database of the 20,000 files.

https://couriernewsroom.com/news/we-created-a-searchable-database-with-all-20000-files-from-epsteins-estate/

Thank you.

This thread has devolved into some silly stuff. Honestly at this point I’m less interested in Trump and Epstein (although it’s clear Trump is lying and covering up of course) but what else the emails tell us. For me one huge take away is why did anyone pay him millions for money management when he couldn’t write a coherent and grammatically correct email.