Has Duran gone mad? (APS)
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Anonymous
Yep. There’s a reason they didn’t go to private schools, and it’s not financial. |
Anonymous
I think it’s the parents of the behavior problem kids who are going crazy right now about the need to open up schools. As a teacher, what I like best about DL is that I don’t have to deal with those kinds of disruptions. I can give more time to the quiet students who are TOO well behaved to demand or seek out help, and so are usually deprived of attention. I am seeing some students flourish in DL and it is heartening. To me, the big problem with classrooms these days is that a good 10 percent of children have serious behavior problems that no one (including myself) knows how to manage or deal with. The solution for most of us (including their OpenFCPS parents) its avoidance. Try to get them out of the classroom when they have tantrums or bully and harass other children. (Schools these days don’t make that easy because administrators and librarians are trying to avoid the problem, too — they will refuse to “shelter” to the misbehaving exile, and will send him right back to the classroom). I am really sympathetic to the parents of these children. I don’t assume that it’s their fault that their kids are difficult, but if they can’t handle their children for a full workday, then chances are, other people can’t either. If school weren’t the scotch tape holding so many social programs together on a shoestring budget, it COULD be an institution that would employ behavioral experts who could work out disciplinary plans and routines to be followed by all the adults who supervise him. Unfortunately, schools and classrooms are overcrowded and teachers are responsible for too many children at once to do this. |
Anonymous
Ha ha. My thoughts exactly. I just posted this in another thread: I think it’s the parents of the behavior problem kids who are going crazy right now about the need to open up schools. As a teacher, what I like best about DL is that I don’t have to deal with those kinds of disruptions. I can give more time to the quiet students who are TOO well behaved to demand or seek out help, and so are usually deprived of attention. I am seeing some students flourish in DL and it is heartening. To me, the big problem with classrooms these days is that a good 10 percent of children have serious behavior problems that no one (including myself) knows how to manage or deal with. The solution for most of us (including their OpenFCPS parents) its avoidance. Try to get them out of the classroom when they have tantrums or bully and harass other children. (Schools these days don’t make that easy because administrators and librarians are trying to avoid the problem, too — they will refuse to “shelter” to the misbehaving exile, and will send him right back to the classroom). I am really sympathetic to the parents of these children. I don’t assume that it’s their fault that their kids are difficult, but if they can’t handle their children for a full workday, then chances are, other people can’t either. If school weren’t the scotch tape holding so many social programs together on a shoestring budget, it could be an institution that would employ behavioral experts who could work out disciplinary plans and routines to be followed By all the adults who supervise him. Unfortunately, schools and classrooms are overcrowded and teachers are responsible for too many children at once to do this. |
Anonymous
You’ve missed the point by a mile. We should have gone back in person starting in September when cases were low, and then planned to revert to DL around thanksgiving due to the winter surge. Claiming we can’t go back now because of the surge is fine, but that doesn’t excuse those same people arguing for full DL in the summer and early fall, which was clearly the wrong call (that we could all see coming). |
Anonymous
Oh, it is the same thread. I’m an idiot. Sorry for the double post. |
Anonymous
Yep, because of the extent of your overgeneralization. |
Anonymous
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I mean you can tell just by how they describe their situation. DL is intolerable for them because the kid is having “daily meltdowns” or tantrums or requires a ton of redirection and supervision by parent to do every tiny thing. There’s people in the elementary forum mad the teachers aren’t disciplining their kids! So yeah for them it’s miserable but they don’t understand that that is ... not typical of what most families doing DL are experiencing. They either don’t realize that was always their kid’s behavior in school too or they just didn’t care because it wasn’t on them to deal with.
Then they come here and tantrum and accuse anyone whose kids are making the best of dl of lying, want school open NOW no matter what, and it’s like oh, yeah. Apple. Tree. |
Anonymous
How would we have gone back in the fall? Even now, we still don’t have the testing, air cleaners, etc. Get the CB and APS to come up with a safe plan and then we can talk. |
Anonymous
You've described one subset of posters. Is there more coming, or are you ending with apple tree? |
Anonymous
| Another subset are the parents of middle and high school students who REALLY miss their friends and are being forced to allow their kids to socialize without masks because APS hasn’t returned to school. But, would be model students if just allowed back in the classroom. Don’t forget them! |
Anonymous
This is such a false generalization, you obviously are not engaging in good faith here. If you want an obvious counter example, take a child with inattentive ADHD. Not disruptive to the class, not taking away from teaching time, just needs the occasional nudge to get back on task when the teacher can see the child’s mind is wandering. That’s a lot harder to detect through distance learning so that child, while still not being disruptive, checks out on an entire lesson without the teacher realizing it and misses all of the content. That chicks isn’t learning effectively during distance learning. Not that I expect you to care, because you seem to have little concern for students with special needs. Or English language learners. Or minority students. All groups that are seeing disproportionate learning loss during distance learning. Your child is doing fine and you could continue with distance learning for the rest of the year regardless of what other students do. But you still don’t want anyone else to have something different, no matter how much they may need it. |
Anonymous
Don’t waste the effort, there’s not much you can do with someone so committed to their own ignorance. |
Anonymous
At least you’re self-aware. |
Anonymous
No, it’s opposite. All those students you claim *I* don’t care about? Their families chose DL in overwhelming numbers. YOU are the one using them for your own agenda which is getting your kid in school. And you have that right. But don’t use other people’s kids as pawns when they don’t want them in the buildings because it’s unsafe. |
Anonymous
They did not choose DL in "overwhelming" numbers, you are flat-out lying about the data. Among Level 2 families, here is the data from the most recent round of selections: Special education students: 40% chose virtual; 49% specifically chose hybrid; 11% did not respond and will be placed in hybrid (total of 60% hybrid) ELL: 50% chose virtual; 41% specifically chose hybrid; 9% did not respond and will be placed in hybrid (total of 50% hybrid) Economically disadvantaged: 46% chose virtual; 45% specifically chose hybrid; 9% did not respond and will be placed in hybrid (total of 54% hybrid) Source: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/arlington/Board.nsf/files/BV3TQH6ECFC8/$file/D-1%20School%20Year%202020-21%20Update%20110520%20Presentation.pdf The data for Level 3 families is very similar: Special education students: 39% chose virtual; 49% specifically chose hybrid; 12% did not respond and will be placed in hybrid (total of 61% hybrid) ELL: 44% chose virtual; 41% specifically chose hybrid; 15% did not respond and will be placed in hybrid (total of 56% hybrid) Economically disadvantaged: 46% chose virtual; 39% specifically chose hybrid; 15% did not respond and will be placed in hybrid (total of 54% hybrid) Source: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/arlington/Board.nsf/files/BWDM2N592534/$file/D-1%20School%20Year%202020-21%20Update%20121720.pdf You can see there is a very balanced split in preference here for all of these groups. What I want is to give those parents options, so they can choose the learning method that they believe will be best for their children based on their own individual needs. What you want is to impose your preferred delivery model onto everyone, regardless of whether it's working for them or not. Do not pretend you are looking out for them, because you simply are not. Period. |