Hahahaha I did something that no one here believes is good for ROI...took a full ride to a lesser regarded liberal arts college, graduated with zero debt, which then got me half tuition at a solid law school, and now I'm shockingly not failing at life--even though I've wasted too much time on this board. My mommy and daddy were not connected, nor wealthy, I was just decently intelligent, a hard worker, and somehow I did ok. |
My spouse did the same as you. No regrets. Really helps if you want to go to Grad school. |
Please don't get her started again. Just search Brearley in the search function. She has posted dozens of times about how the school's focus on DEI has shifted it away from a great books curriculum to DEI focused junk. She has been hurt badly by the school in ways you can read about in her many other posts, but we don't need to rehash them every time the school is mentioned on a thread. |
AHA - got it. Well those are two entirely different things. They have diversified the syllabus, but it's all top notch authors and all super rigorous. It's actually better than it used to be. If someone knowledgeable wants to quibble go ahead, but the criticism you typically hear is of the lazy, racist, I don't know actually know what I'm talking about variety. |
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I wrote the stuff about the math curriculum complaints, and my kid still is there, so —- yeah, not sure about the bullying.
FWIW, the school announced it was shifting emphasis and told the parents it was going to and then did, so that’s just…a fact? Again, not a quant, but the parents complaining have the types of girls who might end up at MIT. One trying to apply out. Also, equity practices have had an effect on math scores, and I know that because I read an article about how it played out in San Francisco, where the changes they made in the name of equity tanked test scores and widened the racial gap. It’s not some weird right wing conspiracy theory. It was in the NYTimes. |
You clearly don’t know many people whose children are at these TT schools. There are two types of UES dinner parties, those where people endlessly complain about these places and tell dark, dark stories about them or those where they sit around and talk about how great they are for sending their kids to these places.
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“Equity practices” and “shifting emphasis” - kind of a broad brush. It’s not a one size fits all thing. For STEM, I know there’s a debate about what age to start splitting people into different groups. That’s partly an equity question but not exclusively. I don’t think you’ll find that the high school curriculum is somehow weaker than it used to be. Personally I’d didn’t love the parent DEI stuff when it was the outside consultants. But I never found myself doubting the quality of what was happening in the classroom. |
Think Dalton, Spence and Brearley parents are happy this year. HM and Trinity parents less so. |
Well, both dinner parties sound exhausting. Our daughter is at Spence. Her friends are a diversity group of girls. Most are dual income affluent households. The girls are nice and the parents are friendly but we don't hang out with them often. Are there things we don't like, of course, no school is perfect. But thankfully we aren't experiencing bullying/mean girl stuff. |
I wish I had done this. The difference between a Williams and a Kenyon is not worth the money.
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well it appears that the last 1% posted on IG today. 61 girls. surprised at the Berkeley number and no Duke/Stanford/JHU is a bit surprising. There honestly isn't a bad school in this list. 7: Penn 6: Chicago, Cornell 5: Harvard 4: Princeton, Michigan 3: Berkeley 2: Brown, Columbia, Williams, WashU 1: Yale, Dartmouth, Northwestern, MIT, Vanderbilt, Emory, Rice, Tufts, Wellesley, Swarthmore, Barnard, Colgate, Wake Forest, Vassar, Northeastern, Chapman, Kenyon, Wesleyan |
This is basically it. Send kid to Brearley and spend life savings. You will get her into a top college with sufficient name recognition only to see a single tear slowly roll down the left side of her face every time you mention Shakespeare. Or save the money and be happy with one of these moderately less selective colleges that’s still full of rich connected New Yorkers and that leads to all the same life opportunities. |
I would take Baruch College (finance) or Stony Brook (CS) over many of the schools listed if you are looking to stay in NY Metro area. |
Extremely impressive and congrats to the seniors! But maybe we can move onto more important questions, like how does this compare to Brearley? |
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I have to respectfully disagree — I do think it’s changed what is being taught and how it is taught. The old curriculum was really rich and deep and had a lot of really great writers they no longer teach, including a number of Black ones. They didn’t expand what they teach so much as gut and replace it with new stuff that I find lightweight, or to be more charitable, less thought provoking than what they were teaching when we enrolled. My daughter and her friends complain about it all the time. They call one book they read about turtles and the power of indigenous women “The Dreck That Ruined Summer.” I honestly don’t think I would have chosen it based on what it is now, but my daughter is old enough to make her own choices. She has good friends and is happy. After 7th, she knew she had a choice and looked at other places and decided to stay with her friends. She’s also a musician and truly loves the music department, which is totally top notch. STEM people have different concerns, and I don’t know anything other than what I have already stated in previous posts, and it’s all second hand.
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